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Post by knype on May 5, 2024 7:58:19 GMT
Ultimately he won the vote so he deserves to be mayor again but there’s a few things of note As often is bought up with the Tories and the general elections. Less people wanted him in than didn’t. In the last year MOMs figures have shown that knife crime has gone up by 20 percent. He’s currently working under a pretty hopeless government. When Labour (his party) get in it could be his biggest test yet. Over his previous 2 terms he’s frequently used the government as a get out of jail card when challenged. It’ll be interesting to see how he does if he has to blame his own party when there’s problems. As is frequently pointed out I no longer live or work in London (still visit) so I can’t have a relevant view however what I would say is bookmark this post as I’ll be very interested to see how the next few years pan out. There’s nothing more that I’d like than to see than the pointless killings / knife crime go down (I have no real issue with anything else in London) however I do see things getting worse before they get better. There’s so much work that needs to be done before we see a turnaround. London is a great city and Mr Khan should look on his role as a privilege. The city itself is the best in the world it’s the outer parts (not Richmond / Blackheath) that need the investment. You can have all the fireworks displays in the world but they don’t save people’s lives. We both know what's driving the knife crime and violence, only the government can do anything about that and sadly I don't see Labour being any more enlightened than the Tories about the issue. I would expect to see an increase in gun crime in the upcoming years, Khan (whoever was Mayor in all fairness) will doubtless get the rap for that too. I'd imagine the Mayor of 1920's Chicago got similar criticism, they wouldn't have been able to do anything either. And what is driving the knife crime ? |
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Post by elystokie on May 5, 2024 8:04:03 GMT
We both know what's driving the knife crime and violence, only the government can do anything about that and sadly I don't see Labour being any more enlightened than the Tories about the issue. I would expect to see an increase in gun crime in the upcoming years, Khan (whoever was Mayor in all fairness) will doubtless get the rap for that too. I'd imagine the Mayor of 1920's Chicago got similar criticism, they wouldn't have been able to do anything either. And what is driving the knife crime ? The same thing that drove the widespread crime and violence in 1920's USA. Prohibition. |
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May 5, 2024 9:13:13 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 5, 2024 9:13:13 GMT
Ultimately he won the vote so he deserves to be mayor again but there’s a few things of note As often is bought up with the Tories and the general elections. Less people wanted him in than didn’t. In the last year MOMs figures have shown that knife crime has gone up by 20 percent. He’s currently working under a pretty hopeless government. When Labour (his party) get in it could be his biggest test yet. Over his previous 2 terms he’s frequently used the government as a get out of jail card when challenged. It’ll be interesting to see how he does if he has to blame his own party when there’s problems. As is frequently pointed out I no longer live or work in London (still visit) so I can’t have a relevant view however what I would say is bookmark this post as I’ll be very interested to see how the next few years pan out. There’s nothing more that I’d like than to see than the pointless killings / knife crime go down (I have no real issue with anything else in London) however I do see things getting worse before they get better. There’s so much work that needs to be done before we see a turnaround. London is a great city and Mr Khan should look on his role as a privilege. The city itself is the best in the world it’s the outer parts (not Richmond / Blackheath) that need the investment. You can have all the fireworks displays in the world but they don’t save people’s lives. We both know what's driving the knife crime and violence, only the government can do anything about that and sadly I don't see Labour being any more enlightened than the Tories about the issue. I would expect to see an increase in gun crime in the upcoming years, Khan (whoever was Mayor in all fairness) will doubtless get the rap for that too. I'd imagine the Mayor of 1920's Chicago got similar criticism, they wouldn't have been able to do anything either. Fair point it’s a definate factor but the new currency is designer threads and mobile phones amongst the teen robberies. I have no doubt that legalising weed will have an impact but it won’t stop violence altogether. Working with youngsters myself a lot of the “beef” between teens is around petty squabbles and postcodes, that said in respect to county lines there’d potentially be an impact but it’s a brave politician who takes the step to legalise it. I’m not sure what Kier Starmers is on it. Like Stop and search it’s a lot easier to easier to argue the case for change because we don’t know the truth till it happens. Just theory and case studies from other countries. It’s a long road ahead that’s for sure. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 5, 2024 9:18:21 GMT
Yep, we've got people who don't even live in London, arrogant enough to tell Londoners that they deserve what they've voted for ...  And we have people who think that they can speak and even think for other people... What on earth are you talking about knype, I've quoted his very words? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 5, 2024 9:54:47 GMT
Britain First booing democracy, classy ...
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Post by elystokie on May 5, 2024 11:17:33 GMT
We both know what's driving the knife crime and violence, only the government can do anything about that and sadly I don't see Labour being any more enlightened than the Tories about the issue. I would expect to see an increase in gun crime in the upcoming years, Khan (whoever was Mayor in all fairness) will doubtless get the rap for that too. I'd imagine the Mayor of 1920's Chicago got similar criticism, they wouldn't have been able to do anything either. Fair point it’s a definate factor but the new currency is designer threads and mobile phones amongst the teen robberies. I have no doubt that legalising weed will have an impact but it won’t stop violence altogether. Working with youngsters myself a lot of the “beef” between teens is around petty squabbles and postcodes, that said in respect to county lines there’d potentially be an impact but it’s a brave politician who takes the step to legalise it. I’m not sure what Kier Starmers is on it. Like Stop and search it’s a lot easier to easier to argue the case for change because we don’t know the truth till it happens. Just theory and case studies from other countries. It’s a long road ahead that’s for sure. Legalising weed would obviously have a positive impact, it's blindingly obvious, but it would be nowhere near enough. We've had this discussion many times, I'm actually talking about ending prohibition completely and regulating, legislating and educating currently illegal substances like we do with alcohol. I haven't researched the designer clothes and mobile phones illegal market but two reasons I don't think it would even scratch the surface of the £10 billion annual drug market are - firstly there is a finite market for physical goods, drugs there isn't. Secondly the profit margin, drug selling is notorious for the product passing through many hands before it lands with the customer, do that with phones (which most people have on contract , limiting the market further) and designer clothing and the end cost would probably be approaching the cost of the stuff new anyway. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 5, 2024 11:30:10 GMT
Fair point it’s a definate factor but the new currency is designer threads and mobile phones amongst the teen robberies. I have no doubt that legalising weed will have an impact but it won’t stop violence altogether. Working with youngsters myself a lot of the “beef” between teens is around petty squabbles and postcodes, that said in respect to county lines there’d potentially be an impact but it’s a brave politician who takes the step to legalise it. I’m not sure what Kier Starmers is on it. Like Stop and search it’s a lot easier to easier to argue the case for change because we don’t know the truth till it happens. Just theory and case studies from other countries. It’s a long road ahead that’s for sure. Legalising weed would obviously have a positive impact, it's blindingly obvious, but it would be nowhere near enough. We've had this discussion many times, I'm actually talking about ending prohibition completely and regulating, legislating and educating currently illegal substances like we do with alcohol. I haven't researched the designer clothes and mobile phones illegal market but two reasons I don't think it would even scratch the surface of the £10 billion annual drug market are - firstly there is a finite market for physical goods, drugs there isn't. Secondly the profit margin, drug selling is notorious for the product passing through many hands before it lands with the customer, do that with phones (which most people have on contract , limiting the market further) and designer clothing and the end cost would probably be approaching the cost of the stuff new anyway. The one thing I would say with youngsters is that it’s not just about money it’s about it being a lifestyle choice. Being part of a group / gang gives them a feeling a sense of belonging because they’re not getting the love they deserve at home so they look elsewhere. I think you’re right re the older age-group and drugs / making money but with the 10-16 age group it’s about the excitement of living a lifestyle. The buzz of running from police or the power they get from being feared. Of course I don’t have the stats (not sure there are any) but it’s what I see on a regular basis. Bad parenting is a huge issue as is a vast majority of the youngsters involved in crime being out of education. This needs focusing on far more than the usual blaming of police, stop and search or schools. We need to start looking closer to home for where the issues are and support young people with more funding needed in investing in schemes like Stormzy’s just done in London. Start giving alternatives to hanging out on the streets. |
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Post by elystokie on May 5, 2024 11:56:16 GMT
Legalising weed would obviously have a positive impact, it's blindingly obvious, but it would be nowhere near enough. We've had this discussion many times, I'm actually talking about ending prohibition completely and regulating, legislating and educating currently illegal substances like we do with alcohol. I haven't researched the designer clothes and mobile phones illegal market but two reasons I don't think it would even scratch the surface of the £10 billion annual drug market are - firstly there is a finite market for physical goods, drugs there isn't. Secondly the profit margin, drug selling is notorious for the product passing through many hands before it lands with the customer, do that with phones (which most people have on contract , limiting the market further) and designer clothing and the end cost would probably be approaching the cost of the stuff new anyway. The one thing I would say with youngsters is that it’s not just about money it’s about a lifestyle choice. Being part of a group / gang gives them a feeling a sense of belonging because they’re not getting the love they deserve at home. I think you’re right re the older agegroup but with the 10-16 age group it’s about the excitement of living a lifestyle. The buzz of running from police or the power they get from being feared. Of course I don’t have the stats (not sure there are any) but it’s what I see on a regular basis. Bad parenting is a huge issue as is a huge majority of these youngsters being out of education. This needs focusing on far more than the usual blaming of police, stop and search or schools. We need to start looking closer to home and more fundings needed investing in schemes like Stormzy’s just done in London. Start giving alternatives to hanging out on the streets. I agree with most of that but I believe it will have minimum effect when there's the attraction of 'untold riches' to be made in the illegal drug trade along with untold amounts of peer pressure along with other 'persuasive measures', those 10-16 year olds involved in designer gear etc will move on to drug selling in most cases wouldn't they? I still see no logic in keeping drugs prohibited in case the criminals commit other crimes 🤷 Since the evidence seems to indicate that stop and search has the opposite effect to that intended I'm not convinced it's wise to increase it. In a previous post you seem reluctant to try what's worked so well in other countries, can I ask why you think what's been so successful elsewhere wouldn't work in the UK? I've been talking to a couple of forces veterans recently, the meds they get from their GP are completely ineffective and actually induce suicidal thoughts, veterans in the US, as shown on the video I linked, are having more success treating it with weed than with any pharmaceutical products, one of the UK veterans also said cannabis had saved his life, others in the US are legally using LSD and psilocybin with good results, I spoke to a different veteran last year who credited a (charity funded) treatment of ayuaska in Peru with saving his life. All of these options are denied to UK veterans because of prohibition, its disgraceful. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 5, 2024 12:04:36 GMT
The one thing I would say with youngsters is that it’s not just about money it’s about a lifestyle choice. Being part of a group / gang gives them a feeling a sense of belonging because they’re not getting the love they deserve at home. I think you’re right re the older agegroup but with the 10-16 age group it’s about the excitement of living a lifestyle. The buzz of running from police or the power they get from being feared. Of course I don’t have the stats (not sure there are any) but it’s what I see on a regular basis. Bad parenting is a huge issue as is a huge majority of these youngsters being out of education. This needs focusing on far more than the usual blaming of police, stop and search or schools. We need to start looking closer to home and more fundings needed investing in schemes like Stormzy’s just done in London. Start giving alternatives to hanging out on the streets. I agree with most of that but I believe it will have minimum effect when there's the attraction of 'untold riches' to be made in the illegal drug trade along with untold amounts of peer pressure along with other 'persuasive measures', those 10-16 year olds involved in designer gear etc will move on to drug selling in most cases wouldn't they? I still see no logic in keeping drugs prohibited in case the criminals commit other crimes 🤷 Since the evidence seems to indicate that stop and search has the opposite effect to that intended I'm not convinced it's wise to increase it. In a previous post you seem reluctant to try what's worked so well in other countries, can I ask why you think what's been so successful elsewhere wouldn't work in the UK? I've been talking to a couple of forces veterans recently, the meds they get from their GP are completely ineffective and actually induce suicidal thoughts, veterans in the US, as shown on the video I linked, are having more success treating it with weed than with any pharmaceutical products, one of the UK veterans also said cannabis had saved his life, others in the US are legally using LSD and psilocybin with good results, I spoke to a different veteran last year who credited a (charity funded) treatment of ayuaska in Peru with saving his life. All of these options are denied to UK veterans because of prohibition, its disgraceful. Yes they will move onto dealing but they will cut their teeth on other things first. No one’s born bad (or at least very few are). There’s a number of reasons why they end up going down the wrong road and it doesn’t start with drugs. Early years - Homelife - bad parenting / lack of love - surrounded by negative influences - Bad behaviour at school - bullying Teens - petty crime. Thieving etc - joining a gang - street robbery / assault - carrying weapons - drug use Late teens - early 20s - drug dealing - county lines Bit simplistic but that’s how I see it from what I’ve witnessed. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2024 12:11:06 GMT
I agree with most of that but I believe it will have minimum effect when there's the attraction of 'untold riches' to be made in the illegal drug trade along with untold amounts of peer pressure along with other 'persuasive measures', those 10-16 year olds involved in designer gear etc will move on to drug selling in most cases wouldn't they? I still see no logic in keeping drugs prohibited in case the criminals commit other crimes 🤷 Since the evidence seems to indicate that stop and search has the opposite effect to that intended I'm not convinced it's wise to increase it. In a previous post you seem reluctant to try what's worked so well in other countries, can I ask why you think what's been so successful elsewhere wouldn't work in the UK? I've been talking to a couple of forces veterans recently, the meds they get from their GP are completely ineffective and actually induce suicidal thoughts, veterans in the US, as shown on the video I linked, are having more success treating it with weed than with any pharmaceutical products, one of the UK veterans also said cannabis had saved his life, others in the US are legally using LSD and psilocybin with good results, I spoke to a different veteran last year who credited a (charity funded) treatment of ayuaska in Peru with saving his life. All of these options are denied to UK veterans because of prohibition, its disgraceful. Yes they will move onto dealing but they will cut their teeth on other things first. No one’s born bad (or at least very few are). There’s a number of reasons why they end up going down the wrong road and it doesn’t start with drugs. Early years - Homelife - bad parenting / lack of love - surrounded by negative influences - Bad behaviour at school - bullying Teens - petty crime. Thieving etc - joining a gang - street robbery / assault - carrying weapons - drug use Late teens - early 20s - drug dealing - county lines Bit simplistic but that’s how I see it from what I’ve seen. SO much more money needs to be put in to communities for child development and play. Kids need role models and if they aren’t going to get them at home, it’s in societies best interests to provide them in the community. Mobile phones and the internet have provided a lot of use and I’m sure that they keep kids engaged, but real interactions have been substituted for tech. Especially now, when algorithms are know to drive adults down rabbit holes, I can’t imagine the damage they are doing on kids. Give someone a sense of purpose and they thrive. That’s a part of gang culture in of itself. So, take that power away by providing purpose in the community. |
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Post by elystokie on May 5, 2024 12:15:09 GMT
I agree with most of that but I believe it will have minimum effect when there's the attraction of 'untold riches' to be made in the illegal drug trade along with untold amounts of peer pressure along with other 'persuasive measures', those 10-16 year olds involved in designer gear etc will move on to drug selling in most cases wouldn't they? I still see no logic in keeping drugs prohibited in case the criminals commit other crimes 🤷 Since the evidence seems to indicate that stop and search has the opposite effect to that intended I'm not convinced it's wise to increase it. In a previous post you seem reluctant to try what's worked so well in other countries, can I ask why you think what's been so successful elsewhere wouldn't work in the UK? I've been talking to a couple of forces veterans recently, the meds they get from their GP are completely ineffective and actually induce suicidal thoughts, veterans in the US, as shown on the video I linked, are having more success treating it with weed than with any pharmaceutical products, one of the UK veterans also said cannabis had saved his life, others in the US are legally using LSD and psilocybin with good results, I spoke to a different veteran last year who credited a (charity funded) treatment of ayuaska in Peru with saving his life. All of these options are denied to UK veterans because of prohibition, its disgraceful. Yes they will move onto dealing but they will cut their teeth on other things first. No one’s born bad (or at least very few are). There’s a number of reasons why they end up going down the wrong road and it doesn’t start with drugs. Early years - Homelife - bad parenting / lack of love - surrounded by negative influences - Bad behaviour at school - bullying Teens - petty crime. Thieving etc - joining a gang - street robbery / assault - carrying weapons - drug use Late teens - early 20s - drug dealing - county lines Bit simplistic but that’s how I see it from what I’ve seen. Again I agree. They move up the pyramid, probably incurring a criminal record along the way that restricts their career choices massively and makes the 'easy money' of drug dealing all the more attractive. If you take away the illegality you take away the profit margin and make the industry less attractive, I'm struggling to see much downside. |
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Post by phileetin on May 9, 2024 14:08:11 GMT
We both know what's driving the knife crime and violence, only the government can do anything about that and sadly I don't see Labour being any more enlightened than the Tories about the issue. I would expect to see an increase in gun crime in the upcoming years, Khan (whoever was Mayor in all fairness) will doubtless get the rap for that too. I'd imagine the Mayor of 1920's Chicago got similar criticism, they wouldn't have been able to do anything either. And what is driving the knife crime ?
someone posted a copy of signs in london saying don't deficate in the street
might warrant a stabbing if someone didnt shift it.
can't believe that these people do it but then it might be what they are used to where they originate from.
perhaps some of the london based posters can throw some light on it.
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Post by Northy on May 9, 2024 14:51:08 GMT
And what is driving the knife crime ? someone posted a copy of signs in london saying don't deficate in the street might warrant a stabbing if someone didnt shift it. can't believe that these people do it but then it might be what they are used to where they originate from. perhaps some of the london based posters can throw some light on it. When I was in Karachi I saw it, a bloke lifting up his thobe, squatting in the middle of a grassed roundabout and curling one down. the pace stunk of shit miles away before we got there. |
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Post by wannabee on May 9, 2024 15:38:15 GMT
And what is driving the knife crime ?
someone posted a copy of signs in london saying don't deficate in the street
might warrant a stabbing if someone didnt shift it.
can't believe that these people do it but then it might be what they are used to where they originate from.
perhaps some of the london based posters can throw some light on it.
I wonder where this chap originated from? Perhaps you can help the Police to identify him Police Hunt Man Who Defecated On Southwark Street  www.lbc.co.uk/news/london/central/southwark/police-hunt-man-who-defecated-on-southwark-street/ |
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Post by elystokie on May 9, 2024 15:43:34 GMT
someone posted a copy of signs in london saying don't deficate in the street might warrant a stabbing if someone didnt shift it. can't believe that these people do it but then it might be what they are used to where they originate from. perhaps some of the london based posters can throw some light on it. I wonder where this chap originated from? Perhaps you can help the Police to identify him Police Hunt Man Who Defecated On Southwark Street View Attachmentwww.lbc.co.uk/news/london/central/southwark/police-hunt-man-who-defecated-on-southwark-street/'Police further said that they think similar crimes may not have been reported.' No shit Sherlock 😄 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 9, 2024 16:33:47 GMT
someone posted a copy of signs in london saying don't deficate in the street
might warrant a stabbing if someone didnt shift it.
can't believe that these people do it but then it might be what they are used to where they originate from.
perhaps some of the london based posters can throw some light on it.
I wonder where this chap originated from? Perhaps you can help the Police to identify him Police Hunt Man Who Defecated On Southwark Street View Attachmentwww.lbc.co.uk/news/london/central/southwark/police-hunt-man-who-defecated-on-southwark-street/He’s from Bergentheim in the Netherlands and his name is Arne Slot |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 9, 2024 22:05:06 GMT
“London and the West Midlands have some of the highest levels of knife crime in England and Wales. The Met Police recorded that knife crime was up by a fifth from 2022 to 2023, with three in 10 knife crimes in 2023 recorded in the capital city.” Rather worrying |
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Post by wannabee on May 9, 2024 22:32:55 GMT
“London and the West Midlands have some of the highest levels of knife crime in England and Wales. The Met Police recorded that knife crime was up by a fifth from 2022 to 2023, with three in 10 knife crimes in 2023 recorded in the capital city.”Rather worrying It is indeed worrying that you would quote misleading statistics, especially as you're allegedly a person that mistrust statistics. I now fully understand why. The figures you quoted do not take any regard to population size, quite bizarre. Knife crime offences in London recorded by the Metropolitan Police rose year on year in the latest figures, but have not yet returned to levels seen before the Covid-19 pandemic.
Some 14,577 offences were recorded in the 12 months to December 2023, Home Office data shows.
This is up 20% from 12,119 in the previous 12 months, but is slightly below the 14,680 in the year to March 2020.
Of the 49,489 knife crime offences recorded in England and Wales in 2023, 29% were by the Metropolitan Police, a higher proportion than any other force. - The basis of the misleading Statistics you have quoted
West Midlands Police were second, accounting for 11% of the total (5,324 offences), and West Yorkshire Police were third on 5% (2,349).
When looking at the number of offences per population, West Midlands Police had the highest rate in 2023, with 180 per 100,000 people, followed by the Metropolitan Police (165 per 100,000), then Cleveland Police (143 per 100,000) and South Yorkshire Police (110 per 100,000).
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 10, 2024 5:48:21 GMT
“London and the West Midlands have some of the highest levels of knife crime in England and Wales. The Met Police recorded that knife crime was up by a fifth from 2022 to 2023, with three in 10 knife crimes in 2023 recorded in the capital city.”Rather worrying It is indeed worrying that you would quote misleading statistics, especially as you're allegedly a person that mistrust statistics. I now fully understand why. The figures you quoted do not take any regard to population size, quite bizarre. Knife crime offences in London recorded by the Metropolitan Police rose year on year in the latest figures, but have not yet returned to levels seen before the Covid-19 pandemic.
Some 14,577 offences were recorded in the 12 months to December 2023, Home Office data shows.
This is up 20% from 12,119 in the previous 12 months, but is slightly below the 14,680 in the year to March 2020.
Of the 49,489 knife crime offences recorded in England and Wales in 2023, 29% were by the Metropolitan Police, a higher proportion than any other force. - The basis of the misleading Statistics you have quoted
West Midlands Police were second, accounting for 11% of the total (5,324 offences), and West Yorkshire Police were third on 5% (2,349).
When looking at the number of offences per population, West Midlands Police had the highest rate in 2023, with 180 per 100,000 people, followed by the Metropolitan Police (165 per 100,000), then Cleveland Police (143 per 100,000) and South Yorkshire Police (110 per 100,000).
www.itv.com/news/london/2024-04-30/knife-crime-in-london-what-the-latest-figures-showFunny how stats are misleading when they’re quoted by other people. Your argument needs to be with ITV and Sky too not me. I take it you’ll be sending the same snotty reply to Mickey the Maestro on the stabbings thread for quoting the same figures just for a bit of consistency  I’m not a fan of stats but I know that for some on here they love them to prove a point where ever they come from as they don’t believe lived experience and are dismissive of it. |
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Post by knype on May 10, 2024 5:54:47 GMT
It is indeed worrying that you would quote misleading statistics, especially as you're allegedly a person that mistrust statistics. I now fully understand why. The figures you quoted do not take any regard to population size, quite bizarre. Knife crime offences in London recorded by the Metropolitan Police rose year on year in the latest figures, but have not yet returned to levels seen before the Covid-19 pandemic.
Some 14,577 offences were recorded in the 12 months to December 2023, Home Office data shows.
This is up 20% from 12,119 in the previous 12 months, but is slightly below the 14,680 in the year to March 2020.
Of the 49,489 knife crime offences recorded in England and Wales in 2023, 29% were by the Metropolitan Police, a higher proportion than any other force. - The basis of the misleading Statistics you have quoted
West Midlands Police were second, accounting for 11% of the total (5,324 offences), and West Yorkshire Police were third on 5% (2,349).
When looking at the number of offences per population, West Midlands Police had the highest rate in 2023, with 180 per 100,000 people, followed by the Metropolitan Police (165 per 100,000), then Cleveland Police (143 per 100,000) and South Yorkshire Police (110 per 100,000).
www.itv.com/news/london/2024-04-30/knife-crime-in-london-what-the-latest-figures-showFunny how stats are misleading when they’re quoted by other people. Your argument needs to be with ITV not me. I take it you’ll be sending the same snotty reply to Mickey the Maestro on the stabbings thread for quoting the same figures just for a bit of consistency Seems that's the way it goes Cobs |
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Post by oggyoggy on May 10, 2024 6:33:28 GMT
It is indeed worrying that you would quote misleading statistics, especially as you're allegedly a person that mistrust statistics. I now fully understand why. The figures you quoted do not take any regard to population size, quite bizarre. Knife crime offences in London recorded by the Metropolitan Police rose year on year in the latest figures, but have not yet returned to levels seen before the Covid-19 pandemic.
Some 14,577 offences were recorded in the 12 months to December 2023, Home Office data shows.
This is up 20% from 12,119 in the previous 12 months, but is slightly below the 14,680 in the year to March 2020.
Of the 49,489 knife crime offences recorded in England and Wales in 2023, 29% were by the Metropolitan Police, a higher proportion than any other force. - The basis of the misleading Statistics you have quoted
West Midlands Police were second, accounting for 11% of the total (5,324 offences), and West Yorkshire Police were third on 5% (2,349).
When looking at the number of offences per population, West Midlands Police had the highest rate in 2023, with 180 per 100,000 people, followed by the Metropolitan Police (165 per 100,000), then Cleveland Police (143 per 100,000) and South Yorkshire Police (110 per 100,000).
www.itv.com/news/london/2024-04-30/knife-crime-in-london-what-the-latest-figures-showFunny how stats are misleading when they’re quoted by other people. Your argument needs to be with ITV and Sky too not me. I take it you’ll be sending the same snotty reply to Mickey the Maestro on the stabbings thread for quoting the same figures just for a bit of consistency I’m not a fan of stats but I know that for some on here they love them to prove a point where ever they come from as they don’t believe lived experience and are dismissive of it. Knife crime is a concern for the whole country. It isn’t confined to London by any means. I guess with the crime rates for all crime being lower in London than the average, the high knife crime rates in London jump out. Whereas in the West Midlands their total crime rate is high compared with average so knife crime being the highest in the country there does not stand out so much. Also, why does Sadiq Khan get so much blame for knife crime rates in London from non-Londoners, but Andy Street doesn’t get blamed for the higher crime rate in the West Midlands by those same non-Londoners? |
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May 10, 2024 6:43:47 GMT
Post by knype on May 10, 2024 6:43:47 GMT
Funny how stats are misleading when they’re quoted by other people. Your argument needs to be with ITV and Sky too not me. I take it you’ll be sending the same snotty reply to Mickey the Maestro on the stabbings thread for quoting the same figures just for a bit of consistency I’m not a fan of stats but I know that for some on here they love them to prove a point where ever they come from as they don’t believe lived experience and are dismissive of it. Knife crime is a concern for the whole country. It isn’t confined to London by any means. I guess with the crime rates for all crime being lower in London than the average, the high knife crime rates in London jump out. Whereas in the West Midlands their total crime rate is high compared with average so knife crime being the highest in the country there does not stand out so much. Also, why does Sadiq Khan get so much blame for knife crime rates in London from non-Londoners, but Andy Street doesn’t get blamed for the higher crime rate in the West Midlands by those same non-Londoners? Don't politicise this thread as well... |
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Post by elystokie on May 10, 2024 7:10:41 GMT
Funny how stats are misleading when they’re quoted by other people. Your argument needs to be with ITV and Sky too not me. I take it you’ll be sending the same snotty reply to Mickey the Maestro on the stabbings thread for quoting the same figures just for a bit of consistency I’m not a fan of stats but I know that for some on here they love them to prove a point where ever they come from as they don’t believe lived experience and are dismissive of it. Knife crime is a concern for the whole country. It isn’t confined to London by any means. I guess with the crime rates for all crime being lower in London than the average, the high knife crime rates in London jump out. Whereas in the West Midlands their total crime rate is high compared with average so knife crime being the highest in the country there does not stand out so much. Also, why does Sadiq Khan get so much blame for knife crime rates in London from non-Londoners, but Andy Street doesn’t get blamed for the higher crime rate in the West Midlands by those same non-Londoners? It's a puzzler alright, in fact Andy Street seems to get lauded by those very same people 🤔 Ah well, I'm sure the 'UK Knife Lead' was equally as scathing of the mayor of the worst area in the country as he was of Khan recently 🤔 |
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May 10, 2024 7:46:27 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 10, 2024 7:46:27 GMT
Funny how stats are misleading when they’re quoted by other people. Your argument needs to be with ITV and Sky too not me. I take it you’ll be sending the same snotty reply to Mickey the Maestro on the stabbings thread for quoting the same figures just for a bit of consistency I’m not a fan of stats but I know that for some on here they love them to prove a point where ever they come from as they don’t believe lived experience and are dismissive of it. Knife crime is a concern for the whole country. It isn’t confined to London by any means. I guess with the crime rates for all crime being lower in London than the average, the high knife crime rates in London jump out. Whereas in the West Midlands their total crime rate is high compared with average so knife crime being the highest in the country there does not stand out so much. Also, why does Sadiq Khan get so much blame for knife crime rates in London from non-Londoners, but Andy Street doesn’t get blamed for the higher crime rate in the West Midlands by those same non-Londoners? Khan gets a lot of shyte purely off the basis he's a smug twat who refuses to ever take any blame for anything. Always got an answer blaming it on someone or something else. Something they all do to be fair but he takes it to new levels and combined with his absolute smugness its unbearable. Can't stand the prick. |
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May 10, 2024 7:50:09 GMT
Post by knype on May 10, 2024 7:50:09 GMT
Knife crime is a concern for the whole country. It isn’t confined to London by any means. I guess with the crime rates for all crime being lower in London than the average, the high knife crime rates in London jump out. Whereas in the West Midlands their total crime rate is high compared with average so knife crime being the highest in the country there does not stand out so much. Also, why does Sadiq Khan get so much blame for knife crime rates in London from non-Londoners, but Andy Street doesn’t get blamed for the higher crime rate in the West Midlands by those same non-Londoners? It's a puzzler alright, in fact Andy Street seems to get lauded by those very same people 🤔 Ah well, I'm sure the 'UK Knife Lead' was equally as scathing of the mayor of the worst area in the country as he was of Khan recently 🤔 Not seen many posts about Andy Street or even a thread tbh? |
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Post by oggyoggy on May 10, 2024 7:55:11 GMT
Knife crime is a concern for the whole country. It isn’t confined to London by any means. I guess with the crime rates for all crime being lower in London than the average, the high knife crime rates in London jump out. Whereas in the West Midlands their total crime rate is high compared with average so knife crime being the highest in the country there does not stand out so much. Also, why does Sadiq Khan get so much blame for knife crime rates in London from non-Londoners, but Andy Street doesn’t get blamed for the higher crime rate in the West Midlands by those same non-Londoners? Don't politicise this thread as well... It got politicised the second it was created. This s thread is a right wing hissy fit about London. It is a perfect reflection of the dismal campaign run by Susan Hall in the mayoral election which Khan won easily. |
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May 10, 2024 7:56:44 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on May 10, 2024 7:56:44 GMT
Knife crime is a concern for the whole country. It isn’t confined to London by any means. I guess with the crime rates for all crime being lower in London than the average, the high knife crime rates in London jump out. Whereas in the West Midlands their total crime rate is high compared with average so knife crime being the highest in the country there does not stand out so much. Also, why does Sadiq Khan get so much blame for knife crime rates in London from non-Londoners, but Andy Street doesn’t get blamed for the higher crime rate in the West Midlands by those same non-Londoners? Khan gets a lot of shyte purely off the basis he's a smug twat who refuses to ever take any blame for anything. Always got an answer blaming it on someone or something else. Something they all do to be fair but he takes it to new levels and combined with his absolute smugness its unbearable. Can't stand the prick. A perfectly valid opinion but that doesn’t explain why he is held to a higher level of responsibility than other mayors. |
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May 10, 2024 8:07:05 GMT
Post by knype on May 10, 2024 8:07:05 GMT
Don't politicise this thread as well... It got politicised the second it was created. This s thread is a right wing hissy fit about London. It is a perfect reflection of the dismal campaign run by Susan Hall in the mayoral election which Khan won easily. Right wing how? |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 10, 2024 8:11:35 GMT
Khan gets a lot of shyte purely off the basis he's a smug twat who refuses to ever take any blame for anything. Always got an answer blaming it on someone or something else. Something they all do to be fair but he takes it to new levels and combined with his absolute smugness its unbearable. Can't stand the prick. A perfectly valid opinion but that doesn’t explain why he is held to a higher level of responsibility than other mayors. Not sure he is held to higher levels. But if he is its possibly because he's the mayor of one of the highest profile cities in the world. A bit like how the man utd or real madrid manager appears to be held to a higher standard than the Vale one. Dunno... |
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