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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 30, 2024 21:22:20 GMT
I'm sure this sort of thing never happens in other major cities like Paris, Sydney, New York etc.. Hold on.. Sound. As long as we are in good company. What is the point you're making here mate? |
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Post by mrnovember on Apr 30, 2024 21:25:41 GMT
Sound. As long as we are in good company. What is the point you're making here mate? Seems a defeatist attitude. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 30, 2024 21:38:11 GMT
What is the point you're making here mate? Seems a defeatist attitude. Yep, the typical lefty attitude is “well it happens else where so it’ll happen here”. Just let it slide as a fact of life. It isn’t, it can be acted on but no fucker is interested. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 30, 2024 21:41:35 GMT
What is the point you're making here mate? Seems a defeatist attitude. Or a realistic one. In the last 8 years, knife crime in London has increased by 11% but in West Yorkshire, across the same period, it has doubled. The defeatist (and lazy) attitude is to deliberately elect to see London as the centre of all our ill's, when it simply isn't. The problem is far more nuanced and requires far deeper analysis, than simply demonising our capital city. |
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Post by sticky on Apr 30, 2024 21:59:10 GMT
All these knife stats seem a bit misleading to me.. there seems to be a hell of a lot of people in London being stabbed to death. Then there’s the gun crime, and also wasn't long ago we had that deranged fucker throwing acid in a woman’s face.. It’s not somewhere I’d want to live that’s for sure
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 30, 2024 22:00:54 GMT
All these knife stats seem a bit misleading to me.. there seems to be a hell of a lot of people in London being stabbed to death. Then there’s the gun crime, and also wasn't long ago we had that deranged fucker throwing acid in a woman’s face.. It’s not somewhere I’d want to live that’s for sure Apparently it gets demonised by the media🙄 |
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Post by sticky on Apr 30, 2024 22:08:27 GMT
All these knife stats seem a bit misleading to me.. there seems to be a hell of a lot of people in London being stabbed to death. Then there’s the gun crime, and also wasn't long ago we had that deranged fucker throwing acid in a woman’s face.. It’s not somewhere I’d want to live that’s for sure Apparently it gets demonised by the media🙄 Sounds like some ostrich action to me, and it might just be me, but it’s like every other day you read some lunatics wielding a knife about down there. I get it’s a big city but it seems to be heading in one direction unfortunately |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Apr 30, 2024 22:09:53 GMT
Seems a defeatist attitude. Or a realistic one. In the last 8 years, knife crime in London has increased by 11% but in West Yorkshire, across the same period, it has doubled. The defeatist (and lazy) attitude is to deliberately elect to see London as the centre of all our ill's, when it simply isn't. The problem is far more nuanced and requires far deeper analysis, than simply demonising our capital city. The Standard says differently. It’s quoting an increase of 38 percent in knife crime since Mr Khan took over. Who knows what the real truth is. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 30, 2024 22:10:54 GMT
All these knife stats seem a bit misleading to me.. there seems to be a hell of a lot of people in London being stabbed to death. Then there’s the gun crime, and also wasn't long ago we had that deranged fucker throwing acid in a woman’s face.. It’s not somewhere I’d want to live that’s for sure
Yet there has been exponential growth, both in terms of overall size of population and payrolled employees but also, in terms of house prices for the last 50 years.
Go figure huh?
Must be a lot of dickheads out there ...
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Post by sticky on Apr 30, 2024 22:17:45 GMT
All these knife stats seem a bit misleading to me.. there seems to be a hell of a lot of people in London being stabbed to death. Then there’s the gun crime, and also wasn't long ago we had that deranged fucker throwing acid in a woman’s face.. It’s not somewhere I’d want to live that’s for sure
Yet there has been exponential growth, both in terms of overall size of population and payrolled employees but also, in terms of house prices for the last 50 years.
Go figure huh?
Must be a lot of dickheads out there ...
My sister in law lived there for a few years, good job, ridiculous rent for some crappy flat, soon as they had kids they wanted out and moved up North. Each to their own of course. Being concerned about things happening in the capital doesn’t mean it’s being demonised.. imo of course |
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Post by wannabee on Apr 30, 2024 22:20:18 GMT
When I was growing up Hainault was in Essex
People with a Mental disorder with a tendency towards violence were kept away from general Society for its protection
In more enlightened times more people with Mental disorders were deemed fit to be cared for in the Community with Care Supervision
Austerity dictated that less Mental Health Carers were required
A COVID phenomenon presented more instances of Mental Health issues but access to services deteriorated
Government increased NI ring fenced specifically for Social Care
Some people believe it's a lefty construct that Mentally challenged people enact extraordinary violent acts
Government reduced NI to give employees an on average £900 increase in wages per year
Social Care Budget for 2022/2025 slashed by 58% to reverse the previous increase in NI
Some believe that Sadiq Khan should be in Hainault at 7.00 a.m. in the morning Stopping and Searching potential Sword carrying lunatics
I think that about covers most things
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Post by Gods on Apr 30, 2024 22:29:19 GMT
Sadiq Khan is an eye watering 20/1 on to win next week's mayoral election.
And frankly he's a class apart from the other candidates so I don't wonder why!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 30, 2024 22:34:06 GMT
Yet there has been exponential growth, both in terms of overall size of population and payrolled employees but also, in terms of house prices for the last 50 years.
Go figure huh?
Must be a lot of dickheads out there ...
My sister in law lived there for a few years, good job, ridiculous rent for some crappy flat, soon as they had kids they wanted out and moved up North. Each to their own of course. Being concerned about things happening in the capital doesn’t mean it’s being demonised.. imo of course
This very thread is repeatedly demonising it.
Just post after post of repeated negative stories about a place most of the contributors haven't even lived in.
I've lived all over London, especially Brixton and Croydon. My wife and all her family are from Croydon, most of them still live there. My father's side of the family are all from Brixton, South Norwood and Croydon, none of them would characterise where they live, in the same terms that are (ignorantly) portrayed on this thread, day after day. I know Croydon like the back of my hand and there isn't a single street that I would be worried about walking down, regardless of the time of day.
Actually scanning back through this thread from the start and virtually (maybe even entirely) all the people who actually live in London seem to have a very different opinion about the place, to those people who, erm ... don't.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 30, 2024 22:36:51 GMT
Or a realistic one. In the last 8 years, knife crime in London has increased by 11% but in West Yorkshire, across the same period, it has doubled. The defeatist (and lazy) attitude is to deliberately elect to see London as the centre of all our ill's, when it simply isn't. The problem is far more nuanced and requires far deeper analysis, than simply demonising our capital city. The Standard says differently. It’s quoting an increase of 38 percent in knife crime since Mr Khan took over. Who knows what the real truth is. You have said previously that you don't trust statistics you base your opinion on your own experience But what the hell I'll have a go, knife crime in London is lower than pre Pandemic levels and lower per capita than West Midlands, I can only imagine what things must be like in Cleveland www.itv.com/news/london/2024-04-30/knife-crime-in-london-what-the-latest-figures-showI only oppose Stop and Search because it's inefficient, counterproductive and a waste of Police Time Do you think there should have been a Police Patrol in Hainault this morning at 7.00 a m. S&Sing a Looney with a Sword? |
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Post by Foster on May 1, 2024 4:25:52 GMT
Not sure if I should post this as I don't live in London, and as such may be labelled as ignorant. 'The overall crime rate in London in 2023 was 105 crimes per 1,000, and the most common crimes were violence and sexual offences, which happened to roughly every 30 out of 1,000 daytime population. Compared with the UK as a whole, London’s crime rate is 32% worse than the UK average of 79.52 per 1,000 people.' crimerate.co.uk/london#:~:text=The%20overall%20crime%20rate%20in,of%2079.52%20per%201%2C000%20people. |
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Post by knype on May 1, 2024 4:29:15 GMT
Not sure if I should post this as I don't live in London, and as such may be labelled as ignorant. 'The overall crime rate in London in 2023 was 105 crimes per 1,000, and the most common crimes were violence and sexual offences, which happened to roughly every 30 out of 1,000 daytime population. Compared with the UK as a whole, London’s crime rate is 32% worse than the UK average of 79.52 per 1,000 people.' crimerate.co.uk/london#:~:text=The%20overall%20crime%20rate%20in,of%2079.52%20per%201%2C000%20people. As they say mate, do you trust the figures ? You have to have lived there to know the truth. |
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Post by mrnovember on May 1, 2024 4:55:15 GMT
Seems a defeatist attitude. Or a realistic one. In the last 8 years, knife crime in London has increased by 11% but in West Yorkshire, across the same period, it has doubled. The defeatist (and lazy) attitude is to deliberately elect to see London as the centre of all our ill's, when it simply isn't. The problem is far more nuanced and requires far deeper analysis, than simply demonising our capital city. My point wasn't politically or geographicly charged. I love London. More that there are a raft of other societal issues where the "it happens everywhere" argument doesn't float. In the building where I work there is a TV in the foyer, and I watched this unfold for 20 mins or so yesterday, gob on floor. Loads of my passing colleagues were completely desensitised to it. Just another knife incident. It was nuts. I came on here and responded to what I perceive to be a similar response. Maybe we just need to start shooting the perpetrators in the dick. If you're going to get stabby, we're going to turn up and shoot you. In the dick. Bang. Testicle pâté in your four day old Spiderman underpants. I agree the problem is complex. I don't know what the answer is, beyond a more intimidating and intrusive police force. But then one problem creates another. I do know that I don't want to live in a country where machete wielding savages maurading around metropolitan areas is considered par for the course. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 1, 2024 5:24:06 GMT
You have said previously that you don't trust statistics you base your opinion on your own experience But what the hell I'll have a go, knife crime in London is lower than pre Pandemic levels and lower per capita than West Midlands, I can only imagine what things must be like in Cleveland www.itv.com/news/london/2024-04-30/knife-crime-in-london-what-the-latest-figures-showI only oppose Stop and Search because it's inefficient, counterproductive and a waste of Police Time Do you think there should have been a Police Patrol in Hainault this morning at 7.00 a m. S&Sing a Looney with a Sword? Which is why I’ve put “ Who knows what the real truth is.” in relation to the figures that were quoted by Paul it’s a counter argument. I don’t believe in them because they can be twisted to suit peoples own agenda. In relation to the “loony” as you put it with the sword. I’d rather hear the full account of the incident / his background before politicising it. In relation to Stop and Search as Mayor Khan said himself it does work if it’s targeted and it’s been responsible for many arrests. Like a lot of things in life it’s easy to knock something that’s already in existence. We simply don’t know what would happen if it was stopped so it’s conjecture but for me it would mean you could whatever weapon you want out with you without fear of being stopped and stabbings would rise because there’d be more people carrying. As has often been stated you can’t measure the figures re how many people due to the fear of S and S alone it’s stopped from taking a knife or weapon out with them through it. It’s not the solution as there needs to be more investment but it’s one of the few tools out there at the moment available to police to help them and I’d rather that and put up with a small amount of inconvenience than have people wandering the streets carrying knives without fear. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 1, 2024 5:56:35 GMT
My sister in law lived there for a few years, good job, ridiculous rent for some crappy flat, soon as they had kids they wanted out and moved up North. Each to their own of course. Being concerned about things happening in the capital doesn’t mean it’s being demonised.. imo of course This very thread is repeatedly demonising it. Just post after post of repeated negative stories about a place most of the contributors haven't even lived in. I've lived all over London, especially Brixton and Croydon. My wife and all her family are from Croydon, most of them still live there. My father's side of the family are all from Brixton, South Norwood and Croydon, none of them would characterise where they live, in the same terms that are (ignorantly) portrayed on this thread, day after day. I know Croydon like the back of my hand and there isn't a single street that I would be worried about walking down, regardless of the time of day. Actually scanning back through this thread from the start and virtually (maybe even entirely) all the people who actually live in London seem to have a very different opinion about the place, to those people who, erm ... don't.
With respect Paul I think that’s quite an arrogant answer. Does that mean that people aren’t allowed to have a valid opinion around Israel or the Ukraine because they’ve never lived there. With the www. it opens the whole world up to people, plus people can talk to people who do live there and base their opinion from their experiences. I think if we’re honest this isn’t around people who live there being experts and those who don’t knowing anything it’s about politics. The majority of those defending London (from looking at the likes and posts) are on the whole more left leaning so will defend Khan because of his politics and not because they live or have lived there (So have I). I’m sure if it was a Tory mayor with the same record the views would be very reversed and people on the left would be scrambling to say how useless a Tory mayor would be. It’s the same with the recent defending of the Met Police re the Israeli gentleman crossing the road that was no different than the guy with the piano at the station. Both were trying to antagonise a situation but the response was very different even though the behaviour of the men and the officers wasn’t. The argument isn’t truely about what’s right or wrong / for or against it’s about people nailing their political flag to incidents to try and score browning points. In relation to yesterdays incident. It was truely tragic because some poor lads lost his life and some poor family a son that’s the tragedy here and I’m sure we’ll hear more over the forthcoming days about the murderers history and the failings / missed opportunities of agencies. Right now whether it’s London, Birmingham or any big city things need to change around so many things to get the country back on track. There’s so many reasons why this countries in a mess at the moment. Like it or not London as its capital is its flagship so it gets the attention. As I’ve said there I’ve lived and worked there and am still a frequent visitor. The square mile is truely beautiful however from my experience leave there and you enter a whole different and more dangerous land. You can’t compare Greenwich, Richmond and Kingston to Barking, Croydon and Hackney they may as well be different parts of the country but they’re all London (this is what often dilutes the stats great wealthy areas mixed with areas of great poverty). |
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Post by elystokie on May 1, 2024 6:01:37 GMT
Or a realistic one. In the last 8 years, knife crime in London has increased by 11% but in West Yorkshire, across the same period, it has doubled. The defeatist (and lazy) attitude is to deliberately elect to see London as the centre of all our ill's, when it simply isn't. The problem is far more nuanced and requires far deeper analysis, than simply demonising our capital city. My point wasn't politically or geographicly charged. I love London. More that there are a raft of other societal issues where the "it happens everywhere" argument doesn't float. In the building where I work there is a TV in the foyer, and I watched this unfold for 20 mins or so yesterday, gob on floor. Loads of my passing colleagues were completely desensitised to it. Just another knife incident. It was nuts. I came on here and responded to what I perceive to be a similar response. Maybe we just need to start shooting the perpetrators in the dick. If you're going to get stabby, we're going to turn up and shoot you. In the dick. Bang. Testicle pâté in your four day old Spiderman underpants. I agree the problem is complex. I don't know what the answer is, beyond a more intimidating and intrusive police force. But then one problem creates another. I do know that I don't want to live in a country where machete wielding savages maurading around metropolitan areas is considered par for the course. My original point, before I went to bed and missed all the fun 😀 wasn't anything to do with 'attitude' defeatist or otherwise. I was merely indicating, far too subtly it would appear, that Sadiq Khan isn't Mayor in any of those cities. Seems if I hadn't gone to bed I'd have been in 'the chair' again 😂 |
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Post by oggyoggy on May 1, 2024 6:05:28 GMT
All these knife stats seem a bit misleading to me.. there seems to be a hell of a lot of people in London being stabbed to death. Then there’s the gun crime, and also wasn't long ago we had that deranged fucker throwing acid in a woman’s face.. It’s not somewhere I’d want to live that’s for sure I guess you wouldn’t want to live in the places where there is more violent crime per capita in this country either. London isn’t even in the top 10. |
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Post by oggyoggy on May 1, 2024 6:09:00 GMT
For those who want more police powers, more police etc because they think that will help stop violent crime, why do they also blame Khan? Khan is powerless to increase police powers and he has increased the number of officers (by 1800 in London) but he is limited by budget. Surely the Home Secretary is more responsible as the HS has the power to actually change the things you lot say are the cause of the increase in knife crime in London.
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Post by elystokie on May 1, 2024 6:10:46 GMT
Or a realistic one. In the last 8 years, knife crime in London has increased by 11% but in West Yorkshire, across the same period, it has doubled. The defeatist (and lazy) attitude is to deliberately elect to see London as the centre of all our ill's, when it simply isn't. The problem is far more nuanced and requires far deeper analysis, than simply demonising our capital city. The Standard says differently. It’s quoting an increase of 38 percent in knife crime since Mr Khan took over. Who knows what the real truth is. From that article - Khan says - “We’ve made some progress. So according to the ONS, you’re less likely to be a victim of violence in London than the rest of the country. According to the ONS, you’re less likely to be injured in London, than the rest of the country.” Is he lying? |
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Post by mrnovember on May 1, 2024 6:10:59 GMT
My point wasn't politically or geographicly charged. I love London. More that there are a raft of other societal issues where the "it happens everywhere" argument doesn't float. In the building where I work there is a TV in the foyer, and I watched this unfold for 20 mins or so yesterday, gob on floor. Loads of my passing colleagues were completely desensitised to it. Just another knife incident. It was nuts. I came on here and responded to what I perceive to be a similar response. Maybe we just need to start shooting the perpetrators in the dick. If you're going to get stabby, we're going to turn up and shoot you. In the dick. Bang. Testicle pâté in your four day old Spiderman underpants. I agree the problem is complex. I don't know what the answer is, beyond a more intimidating and intrusive police force. But then one problem creates another. I do know that I don't want to live in a country where machete wielding savages maurading around metropolitan areas is considered par for the course. My original point, before I went to bed and missed all the fun 😀 wasn't anything to do with 'attitude' defeatist or otherwise. I was merely indicating, far too subtly it would appear, that Sadiq Khan isn't Mayor in any of those cities. Seems if I hadn't gone to bed I'd have been in 'the chair' again 😂 What the fucks the chair? |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 1, 2024 6:12:19 GMT
All these knife stats seem a bit misleading to me.. there seems to be a hell of a lot of people in London being stabbed to death. Then there’s the gun crime, and also wasn't long ago we had that deranged fucker throwing acid in a woman’s face.. It’s not somewhere I’d want to live that’s for sure I guess you wouldn’t want to live in the places where there is more violent crime per capita in this country either. London isn’t even in the top 10. The issue with London is that because it’s so huge the very wealthy areas dilute the figures of the city as a whole but there are a number of very dangerous areas that get swallowed up by the figures of the nicer parts. If you look at the top 10 they hammer Blackpool which I believe is the most dangerous place to live in the U.K. www.churchillsupportservices.com/resources/news-insights/top-15-most-dangerous-areas-in-london/#:~:text=Covering%20much%20of%20London's%20traditional,128.9%20crimes%20per%201000%20residents. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 1, 2024 6:14:40 GMT
From that article - Khan says - “We’ve made some progress. So according to the ONS, you’re less likely to be a victim of violence in London than the rest of the country. According to the ONS, you’re less likely to be injured in London, than the rest of the country.” Is he lying? Like most politicians I’d say he’s been economical with the truth. |
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Post by elystokie on May 1, 2024 6:17:46 GMT
From that article - Khan says - “We’ve made some progress. So according to the ONS, you’re less likely to be a victim of violence in London than the rest of the country. According to the ONS, you’re less likely to be injured in London, than the rest of the country.” Is he lying? Like most politicians I’d say he’s been economical with the truth. Seems he's quoting ONS figures 🤷 |
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Post by elystokie on May 1, 2024 6:21:21 GMT
My original point, before I went to bed and missed all the fun 😀 wasn't anything to do with 'attitude' defeatist or otherwise. I was merely indicating, far too subtly it would appear, that Sadiq Khan isn't Mayor in any of those cities. Seems if I hadn't gone to bed I'd have been in 'the chair' again 😂 What the fucks the chair? 😀 You don't need to worry about it, you'll probably never be in it 😉 |
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Post by knype on May 1, 2024 6:24:59 GMT
From that article - Khan says - “We’ve made some progress. So according to the ONS, you’re less likely to be a victim of violence in London than the rest of the country. According to the ONS, you’re less likely to be injured in London, than the rest of the country.” Is he lying? He was speaking ! |
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