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Post by elystokie on May 1, 2024 6:30:04 GMT
From that article - Khan says - “We’ve made some progress. So according to the ONS, you’re less likely to be a victim of violence in London than the rest of the country. According to the ONS, you’re less likely to be injured in London, than the rest of the country.” Is he lying? He was speaking ! Very droll, but is he wrong? Quite amusing that you use that jibe, given his predecessor was the Liar King 😂 |
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May 1, 2024 6:53:20 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 1, 2024 6:53:20 GMT
Like most politicians I’d say he’s been economical with the truth. Seems he's quoting ONS figures 🤷 And you think every gang related incidents going to be reported? Those sort of figures mean nothing as the majority of gang related incidents will be called in by third parties. Unless there’s a serious injury, death or is discovered by police the majority of violent incidents go unreported. Tip of the iceberg. |
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May 1, 2024 6:54:01 GMT
Post by knype on May 1, 2024 6:54:01 GMT
Very droll, but is he wrong? Quite amusing that you use that jibe, given his predecessor was the Liar King 😂 Both as bad as each other, Khan has been proven wrong time and time again over different things during his time in office |
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May 1, 2024 6:59:01 GMT
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Post by elystokie on May 1, 2024 6:59:01 GMT
Very droll, but is he wrong? Quite amusing that you use that jibe, given his predecessor was the Liar King 😂 Both as bad as each other, Khan has been proven wrong time and time again over different things during his time in office I'd imagine he has, I'd guess nobody gets everything right. Look at the Liar King when he was in charge of the country for example.. 😀 |
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Post by elystokie on May 1, 2024 7:00:13 GMT
Seems he's quoting ONS figures 🤷 And you think every gang related incidents going to be reported? Those sort of figures mean nothing as the majority of gang related incidents will be called in by third parties. Unless there’s a serious injury, death or is discovered by police the majority of violent incidents go unreported. Tip of the iceberg. Doesn't that go for more or less everywhere if that's the case? |
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Post by oggyoggy on May 1, 2024 7:01:24 GMT
I guess you wouldn’t want to live in the places where there is more violent crime per capita in this country either. London isn’t even in the top 10. The issue with London is that because it’s so huge the very wealthy areas dilute the figures of the city as a whole but there are a number of very dangerous areas that get swallowed up by the figures of the nicer parts. If you look at the top 10 they hammer Blackpool which I believe is the most dangerous place to live in the U.K. www.churchillsupportservices.com/resources/news-insights/top-15-most-dangerous-areas-in-london/#:~:text=Covering%20much%20of%20London's%20traditional,128.9%20crimes%20per%201000%20residents. I imagine it is only particular parts of any city which are dangerous. I bet those areas are more deprived, with more unemployment, more mental health issues, more single parents etc. The police have a massive part to play in reducing and fighting crime. So does dealing with the route cause which is usually hopelessness, destitution, desperation, mental health, addiction etc. All of those are going up because we have a government focused on making the super rich richer and fucking the rest of us. Tackle inequality and improve access to public services in health and addiction and training etc and you will reduce crime far more effectively than increasing police powers. |
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Post by oggyoggy on May 1, 2024 7:01:59 GMT
Very droll, but is he wrong? Quite amusing that you use that jibe, given his predecessor was the Liar King 😂 No, he isn’t lying. I posted those stats a while back. |
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Post by oggyoggy on May 1, 2024 7:03:06 GMT
And you think every gang related incidents going to be reported? Those sort of figures mean nothing as the majority of gang related incidents will be called in by third parties. Unless there’s a serious injury, death or is discovered by police the majority of violent incidents go unreported. Tip of the iceberg. Doesn't that go for more or less everywhere if that's the case? No it is only in London that crimes are unreported and that is Khan’s personal fault too! |
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May 1, 2024 7:46:46 GMT
Post by atillathehoneybee on May 1, 2024 7:46:46 GMT
What a bunch of characters recent London Mayors have been.
Livingstone, Bozza & Khan.
Bring back that bloke with his cat....
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Post by wannabee on May 1, 2024 7:58:59 GMT
What a bunch of characters recent London Mayors have been. Livingstone, Bozza & Khan. Bring back that bloke with his cat.... I'm sure there were plenty who thought he was a Dick as well |
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May 1, 2024 8:24:28 GMT
Post by atillathehoneybee on May 1, 2024 8:24:28 GMT
What a bunch of characters recent London Mayors have been. Livingstone, Bozza & Khan. Bring back that bloke with his cat.... I'm sure there were plenty who thought he was a Dick as well Very Whitty |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 1, 2024 8:38:01 GMT
Both as bad as each other, Khan has been proven wrong time and time again over different things during his time in office I'd imagine he has, I'd guess nobody gets everything right. Look at the Liar King when he was in charge of the country for example.. 😀 At this point you should ask Knype to back up his claims with some evidence. Good luck with that mate.  |
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Post by henry on May 1, 2024 8:38:46 GMT
What a bunch of characters recent London Mayors have been. Livingstone, Bozza & Khan. Bring back that bloke with his cat.... Blofeld? |
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Post by elystokie on May 1, 2024 8:48:48 GMT
I'd imagine he has, I'd guess nobody gets everything right. Look at the Liar King when he was in charge of the country for example.. 😀 At this point you should ask Knype to back up his claims with some evidence. Good luck with that mate. Like most people, I've given up on that ever happening 😀 'Evidence' in this new 'Trumpist' age of the Oatcake is apparently something to be scorned 🤷 Personal experience and anecdotal evidence is where we're headed apparently 😀 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 1, 2024 8:52:28 GMT
At this point you should ask Knype to back up his claims with some evidence. Good luck with that mate. Like most people, I've given up on that ever happening 😀 'Evidence' in this new 'Trumpist' age of the Oatcake is apparently something to be scorned 🤷 Personal experience and anecdotal evidence is where we're headed apparently 😀 Nobody has replied to Fosters evidence yet |
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May 1, 2024 8:58:12 GMT
Post by knype on May 1, 2024 8:58:12 GMT
I'd imagine he has, I'd guess nobody gets everything right. Look at the Liar King when he was in charge of the country for example.. 😀 At this point you should ask Knype to back up his claims with some evidence. Good luck with that mate. At this point you should stop posting Leftwaffe twitter links? |
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May 1, 2024 8:58:45 GMT
Post by knype on May 1, 2024 8:58:45 GMT
Like most people, I've given up on that ever happening 😀 'Evidence' in this new 'Trumpist' age of the Oatcake is apparently something to be scorned 🤷 Personal experience and anecdotal evidence is where we're headed apparently 😀 Nobody has replied to Fosters evidence yet yeah, but, but, but |
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Post by elystokie on May 1, 2024 9:06:10 GMT
Like most people, I've given up on that ever happening 😀 'Evidence' in this new 'Trumpist' age of the Oatcake is apparently something to be scorned 🤷 Personal experience and anecdotal evidence is where we're headed apparently 😀 Nobody has replied to Fosters evidence yet Nobody has replied to knypes evidence in the history of the Oatcake 😀 Reason being he's never actually provided any 😂 |
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May 1, 2024 9:12:03 GMT
Post by knype on May 1, 2024 9:12:03 GMT
Nobody has replied to Fosters evidence yet Nobody has replied to knypes evidence in the history of the Oatcake 😀 Reason being he's never actually provided any 😂 Keep smoking fella  |
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Post by elystokie on May 1, 2024 9:20:35 GMT
Nobody has replied to knypes evidence in the history of the Oatcake 😀 Reason being he's never actually provided any 😂 Keep smoking fella Since it's my prescribed medication I probably will 🙂 You'll see I provide evidence of why it's a medicine on the relevant thread 😀 I've even got personal experience and anecdotal evidence to back it up! 😉 |
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May 1, 2024 9:26:00 GMT
Post by knype on May 1, 2024 9:26:00 GMT
Keep smoking fella Since it's my prescribed medication I probably will 🙂 You'll see I provide evidence of why it's a medicine on the relevant thread 😀 I've even got personal experience and anecdotal evidence to back it up! 😉 Good for you, at least it may be factual! |
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May 1, 2024 9:29:23 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 1, 2024 9:29:23 GMT
Nobody has replied to Fosters evidence yet Nobody has replied to knypes evidence in the history of the Oatcake 😀 Reason being he's never actually provided any 😂 Top deflection |
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May 1, 2024 9:31:26 GMT
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Post by elystokie on May 1, 2024 9:31:26 GMT
Since it's my prescribed medication I probably will 🙂 You'll see I provide evidence of why it's a medicine on the relevant thread 😀 I've even got personal experience and anecdotal evidence to back it up! 😉 Good for you, at least it may be factual! Yeh, that's the funny thing about evidence 🙂 |
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Post by milton58 on May 1, 2024 9:32:01 GMT
What a bunch of characters recent London Mayors have been. Livingstone, Bozza & Khan. Bring back that bloke with his cat.... postman pat you on about |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 1, 2024 10:52:02 GMT
At this point you should ask Knype to back up his claims with some evidence. Good luck with that mate. Like most people, I've given up on that ever happening 😀 'Evidence' in this new 'Trumpist' age of the Oatcake is apparently something to be scorned 🤷 Personal experience and anecdotal evidence is where we're headed apparently 😀 "Opinion" I now understand is the new truth as well..... |
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May 1, 2024 10:52:48 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 1, 2024 10:52:48 GMT
At this point you should ask Knype to back up his claims with some evidence. Good luck with that mate. At this point you should stop posting Leftwaffe twitter links? "Leftwaffe"  |
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Post by elystokie on May 1, 2024 10:57:24 GMT
At this point you should stop posting Leftwaffe twitter links? "Leftwaffe" I hope, given that Gary Linkdinkle has been proven right when he compared this government to that of 1930s Germany, the irony of using that descriptor isn't lost on him. But I suspect it is 😀 |
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 1, 2024 11:14:23 GMT
This very thread is repeatedly demonising it. Just post after post of repeated negative stories about a place most of the contributors haven't even lived in. I've lived all over London, especially Brixton and Croydon. My wife and all her family are from Croydon, most of them still live there. My father's side of the family are all from Brixton, South Norwood and Croydon, none of them would characterise where they live, in the same terms that are (ignorantly) portrayed on this thread, day after day. I know Croydon like the back of my hand and there isn't a single street that I would be worried about walking down, regardless of the time of day. Actually scanning back through this thread from the start and virtually (maybe even entirely) all the people who actually live in London seem to have a very different opinion about the place, to those people who, erm ... don't.
With respect Paul I think that’s quite an arrogant answer. Does that mean that people aren’t allowed to have a valid opinion around Israel or the Ukraine because they’ve never lived there. With the www. it opens the whole world up to people, plus people can talk to people who do live there and base their opinion from their experiences. I think if we’re honest this isn’t around people who live there being experts and those who don’t knowing anything it’s about politics. The majority of those defending London (from looking at the likes and posts) are on the whole more left leaning so will defend Khan because of his politics and not because they live or have lived there (So have I). I’m sure if it was a Tory mayor with the same record the views would be very reversed and people on the left would be scrambling to say how useless a Tory mayor would be. It’s the same with the recent defending of the Met Police re the Israeli gentleman crossing the road that was no different than the guy with the piano at the station. Both were trying to antagonise a situation but the response was very different even though the behaviour of the men and the officers wasn’t. The argument isn’t truely about what’s right or wrong / for or against it’s about people nailing their political flag to incidents to try and score browning points. In relation to yesterdays incident. It was truely tragic because some poor lads lost his life and some poor family a son that’s the tragedy here and I’m sure we’ll hear more over the forthcoming days about the murderers history and the failings / missed opportunities of agencies. Right now whether it’s London, Birmingham or any big city things need to change around so many things to get the country back on track. There’s so many reasons why this countries in a mess at the moment. Like it or not London as its capital is its flagship so it gets the attention. As I’ve said there I’ve lived and worked there and am still a frequent visitor. The square mile is truely beautiful however from my experience leave there and you enter a whole different and more dangerous land. You can’t compare Greenwich, Richmond and Kingston to Barking, Croydon and Hackney they may as well be different parts of the country but they’re all London (this is what often dilutes the stats great wealthy areas mixed with areas of great poverty). You talk about arrogance and then you have the audacity to tell people that if we're ('being honest about it') the real reason that they are defending London from the constant criticism on here, isn't because they believe that they are justified in doing so but rather because they have some political affiliation to Sadiq Kkan - christ alive, listen to yourself, telling people why they (in your opinion) *really* believe something is the very height of arrogance and is actually pretty insulting too. If London is such a terrible place, why has the population (as a whole) as well as the payrolled population, exponentially grown for the last 50 years? Why do house prices continue to grow year on year, it's all a bit weird, if people don't want to live there. I purposefully DIDN'T compare Croydon to Greenwich, Kingston and Richmond but rather I compared it to the demonised version of it that is regularly portrayed on this thread. You've said that London is some sort of 'flagship' (or words to that effect) and that is why it's justifiable that it gets the attention it does before but this simply isn't true. The media base their reporting on the severity (and the size) of the CRIME not on the postcode in the country where it is committed. Nearly a fifth of the entire population of England live in London, so it is perfectly logical, that more violent crime is reported in this city/town than anywhere else but that doesn't then mean it's some sort of lawless no go area, for ordinary people on the street. Oh and as for your attempt to compare the police reaction to an agent provocateur of the Israeli state with a guy (legally) playing the piano on a train station concourse in London ... really, seiously mate? I do completely agree with you on this though ... "Right now whether it’s London, Birmingham or any big city things need to change around so many things to get the country back on track." |
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Post by Eggybread on May 1, 2024 11:34:23 GMT
With respect Paul I think that’s quite an arrogant answer. Does that mean that people aren’t allowed to have a valid opinion around Israel or the Ukraine because they’ve never lived there. With the www. it opens the whole world up to people, plus people can talk to people who do live there and base their opinion from their experiences. I think if we’re honest this isn’t around people who live there being experts and those who don’t knowing anything it’s about politics. The majority of those defending London (from looking at the likes and posts) are on the whole more left leaning so will defend Khan because of his politics and not because they live or have lived there (So have I). I’m sure if it was a Tory mayor with the same record the views would be very reversed and people on the left would be scrambling to say how useless a Tory mayor would be. It’s the same with the recent defending of the Met Police re the Israeli gentleman crossing the road that was no different than the guy with the piano at the station. Both were trying to antagonise a situation but the response was very different even though the behaviour of the men and the officers wasn’t. The argument isn’t truely about what’s right or wrong / for or against it’s about people nailing their political flag to incidents to try and score browning points. In relation to yesterdays incident. It was truely tragic because some poor lads lost his life and some poor family a son that’s the tragedy here and I’m sure we’ll hear more over the forthcoming days about the murderers history and the failings / missed opportunities of agencies. Right now whether it’s London, Birmingham or any big city things need to change around so many things to get the country back on track. There’s so many reasons why this countries in a mess at the moment. Like it or not London as its capital is its flagship so it gets the attention. As I’ve said there I’ve lived and worked there and am still a frequent visitor. The square mile is truely beautiful however from my experience leave there and you enter a whole different and more dangerous land. You can’t compare Greenwich, Richmond and Kingston to Barking, Croydon and Hackney they may as well be different parts of the country but they’re all London (this is what often dilutes the stats great wealthy areas mixed with areas of great poverty). You talk about arrogance and then you have the audacity to tell people that if we're ('being honest about it') the real reason that they are defending London from the constant criticism on here, isn't because they believe that they are justified in doing so but rather because they have some political affiliation to Sadiq Kkan - christ alive, listen to yourself, telling people why they (in your opinion) *really* believe something is the very height of arrogance and is actually pretty insulting too. If London is such a terrible place, why has the population (as a whole) as well as the payrolled population, exponentially grown for the last 50 years? Why do house prices continue to grow year on year, it's all a bit weird, if people don't want to live there. I purposefully DIDN'T compare Croydon to Greenwich, Kingston and Richmond but rather I compared it to the demonised version of it that is regularly portrayed on this thread. You've said that London is some sort of 'flagship' (or words to that effect) and that is why it's justifiable that it gets the attention it does before but this simply isn't true. The media base their reporting on the severity (and the size) of the CRIME not on the postcode in the country where it is committed. Nearly a fifth of the entire population of England live in London, so it is perfectly logical, that more violent crime is reported in this city/town than anywhere else but that doesn't then mean it's some sort of lawless no go area, for ordinary people on the street. Oh and as for your attempt to compare the police reaction to an agent provocateur of the Israeli state with a guy (legally) playing the piano on a train station concourse in London ... really, seiously mate? We stopped in croydon for three days last summer and yes it has an undercurrent to it but we had a right blast.Maybe we just fitted in.  |
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Post by sticky on May 1, 2024 12:21:09 GMT
All these knife stats seem a bit misleading to me.. there seems to be a hell of a lot of people in London being stabbed to death. Then there’s the gun crime, and also wasn't long ago we had that deranged fucker throwing acid in a woman’s face.. It’s not somewhere I’d want to live that’s for sure I guess you wouldn’t want to live in the places where there is more violent crime per capita in this country either. London isn’t even in the top 10. You could go back and forth linking different “top 10” forever.. I can’t be arsed. This is a thread about London, if you want to create one for other cities that’s fine, il have a look at it. Just because you don’t like posters showing a concern with violent crime in London, that isn’t my problem. London gets mentioned a lot because it’s a destination people go to do a bit of sightseeing etc, me included. I go off what I’m seeing in the news, and it concerns me, no more no less |
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