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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 22, 2024 19:09:40 GMT
It must include Croydon. Certainly no way near 1 in 5 (or is it 1 in 4, the two papers give conflicting analysis!?) of people around Richmond have been threatened or attacked in the last 5 years. I guess that’s social media for you. There’s numerous twitter links on numerous threads on here that are treated as gospel. Who knows what’s the truth nowadays. This should give you a feel for what’s been happening locally. www.mylondon.news/news/shocking-week-london-after-2-29034285It makes you think how horrendous it must be in the places with high violent crime in the country. London isn’t in the top 10. Soon Rwanda will have to legislate to deem the UK as a safe country. The feel for what’s happening locally was another phenomenal London Marathon with the most incredibly inspiring and uplifting atmosphere. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Apr 22, 2024 19:16:27 GMT
It makes you think how horrendous it must be in the places with high violent crime in the country. London isn’t in the top 10. Soon Rwanda will have to legislate to deem the UK as a safe country. The feel for what’s happening locally was another phenomenal London Marathon with the most incredibly inspiring and uplifting atmosphere. That’s like saying running around Trentham is the Potteries marathon  |
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Apr 22, 2024 19:34:30 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Apr 22, 2024 19:34:30 GMT
Frightening stats if true. Incredible timing for a report like that to be released just a week or so before the mayoral elections! What a coincidence that Ian Duncan Smith’s lobby group that he created would release this now. It’s a shame it doesn’t provide any of the data or evidence to back up its findings. Why does it recommend more stop and search when all evidence points to that making no difference? Any idea what their findings are based upon, other than to try and drum up support for their candidate? It doesn't seem to be working too well so far.. www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/london-mayoral-election/winner |
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Post by wannabee on Apr 22, 2024 19:42:53 GMT
To be fair this was the bit that grabbed my attention More than one in five Londoners attacked or threatened in past five years As data show increase in knife crime, report recommends stop and search be used more extensively Yes, an incredible claim if true (I know hundreds of people in London and can’t think of any who have been attacked or threatened in the past 5 years that I am aware of). It is why I want to see the whole article. Either everyone I know is unbelievably lucky, or something fishy is going on. From the Telegraph Article More than one in five Londoners have been attacked or threatened with violence in the past five years, a poll has found.
The survey of more than 1,000 adults found 22 per cent of people living in the city had been physically attacked or threatened. Nearly six in 10 (57 per cent) were male and a similar proportion were aged between 18 and 34, according to the Survation research commissioned by the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ).
The Telegraph Article is based on a Poll of 1,000 people and the Standard Article is also a Poll not entirely sure the same Poll, I expect not as they seem to quote different statistics |
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Post by wannabee on Apr 22, 2024 19:52:38 GMT
Frightening stats if true. Incredible timing for a report like that to be released just a week or so before the mayoral elections! What a coincidence that Ian Duncan Smith’s lobby group that he created would release this now. It’s a shame it doesn’t provide any of the data or evidence to back up its findings. Why does it recommend more stop and search when all evidence points to that making no difference? Any idea what their findings are based upon, other than to try and drum up support for their candidate? It doesn't seem to be working too well so far.. www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/london-mayoral-election/winnerThankfully Susan Hall has less chance of being Elected Mayor than Sex Offender Stuart Hall It'll be a knockout from Khan |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 22, 2024 19:54:41 GMT
It makes you think how horrendous it must be in the places with high violent crime in the country. London isn’t in the top 10. Soon Rwanda will have to legislate to deem the UK as a safe country. The feel for what’s happening locally was another phenomenal London Marathon with the most incredibly inspiring and uplifting atmosphere. Organised and policed to the hilt with a course to avoid the more “diverse” areas. I do wonder how many stabbings went on outside of the marathon in London on Sunday. It’s a fantastic event but it’s on a par with, say, the Queens funeral. Nobody is expecting violent crime during the marathon as no fucker would get away with it. It’s a useless comparison |
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Apr 22, 2024 19:55:30 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 22, 2024 19:55:30 GMT
Thankfully Susan Hall has less chance of being Elected Mayor than Sex Offender Stuart Hall It'll be a knockout from Khan Almost as though Khan gets free reign. That’s fine, I don’t have to live there |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 22, 2024 20:15:07 GMT
It must include Croydon. Certainly no way near 1 in 5 (or is it 1 in 4, the two papers give conflicting analysis!?) of people around Richmond have been threatened or attacked in the last 5 years. I guess that’s social media for you. There’s numerous twitter links on numerous threads on here that are treated as gospel. Who knows what’s the truth nowadays. This should give you a feel for what’s been happening locally. www.mylondon.news/news/shocking-week-london-after-2-29034285Isn't this exactly what you're doing on this thread Cobs, constantly feasting on negative and bad news and telling us what an awful place London is?
The reality is that across the board we’re living in an angrier society since covid (not helped that 24/7 we’re being told what an awful place Britain / the world is). I guess that’s the price of being surrounded by negative and bad news feasted on by those on social media. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 22, 2024 20:18:02 GMT
Isn't this exactly what you're doing on this thread Cobs, constantly feasting on negative and bad news and telling us what an awful place London is?
The reality is that across the board we’re living in an angrier society since covid (not helped that 24/7 we’re being told what an awful place Britain / the world is). I guess that’s the price of being surrounded by negative and bad news feasted on by those on social media. You could start a thread on good London stuff? That’d be nice to let us know nothings know what we’re missing about “the greatest city in the world”. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 22, 2024 20:25:35 GMT
Isn't this exactly what you're doing on this thread Cobs, constantly feasting on negative and bad news and telling us what an awful place London is?
You could start a thread on good London stuff? That’d be nice to let us know nothings know what we’re missing about “the greatest city in the world”.
That's got nothing to do with the point I was making to Cobs.
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Apr 22, 2024 20:30:25 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 22, 2024 20:30:25 GMT
You could start a thread on good London stuff? That’d be nice to let us know nothings know what we’re missing about “the greatest city in the world”.
That's got nothing to do with the point I was making to Cobs.
Are you going to be all awkward again about sticking to the point of the thread and facts? Just making a comment related to the subject |
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Apr 22, 2024 20:34:02 GMT
Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 22, 2024 20:34:02 GMT
That's got nothing to do with the point I was making to Cobs.
Are you going to be all awkward again about sticking to the point of the thread and facts? Just making a comment related to the subject
No I asked somebody a question, your answer had nothing to do with the question I asked, it's dead simple.
The only person it seems who is attempting to turn this into something that it isn't, is you.
But hey, feel free to crack on ...
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Apr 22, 2024 20:36:46 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 22, 2024 20:36:46 GMT
Are you going to be all awkward again about sticking to the point of the thread and facts? Just making a comment related to the subject
No I asked somebody a question, your answer had nothing to do with the question I asked, it's dead simple.
The only person it seems who is attempting to turn this into something that it isn't, is you.
But hey, feel free to crack on ...
Ok that’s fine, I’ll step away from this conversation tonight. Good will to all |
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Apr 23, 2024 6:27:58 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 23, 2024 6:27:58 GMT
It makes you think how horrendous it must be in the places with high violent crime in the country. London isn’t in the top 10. Soon Rwanda will have to legislate to deem the UK as a safe country. The feel for what’s happening locally was another phenomenal London Marathon with the most incredibly inspiring and uplifting atmosphere. That’s like saying running around Trentham is the Potteries marathon What? It covers 26 miles! |
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Apr 23, 2024 6:29:05 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 23, 2024 6:29:05 GMT
Isn't this exactly what you're doing on this thread Cobs, constantly feasting on negative and bad news and telling us what an awful place London is?
The reality is that across the board we’re living in an angrier society since covid (not helped that 24/7 we’re being told what an awful place Britain / the world is). I guess that’s the price of being surrounded by negative and bad news feasted on by those on social media. I think Cobs is jealous because he lives just outside of London. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 23, 2024 6:33:58 GMT
Yes, an incredible claim if true (I know hundreds of people in London and can’t think of any who have been attacked or threatened in the past 5 years that I am aware of). It is why I want to see the whole article. Either everyone I know is unbelievably lucky, or something fishy is going on. From the Telegraph Article More than one in five Londoners have been attacked or threatened with violence in the past five years, a poll has found.
The survey of more than 1,000 adults found 22 per cent of people living in the city had been physically attacked or threatened. Nearly six in 10 (57 per cent) were male and a similar proportion were aged between 18 and 34, according to the Survation research commissioned by the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ).
The Telegraph Article is based on a Poll of 1,000 people and the Standard Article is also a Poll not entirely sure the same Poll, I expect not as they seem to quote different statistics So the attack or threat doesn’t have to have occurred in London then! My wife told me a week ago if I didn’t fix the stair gate I’d be in trouble. So I have been threatened in the last 5 years too! Nothing to do with London though |
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Apr 23, 2024 6:36:00 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 23, 2024 6:36:00 GMT
It makes you think how horrendous it must be in the places with high violent crime in the country. London isn’t in the top 10. Soon Rwanda will have to legislate to deem the UK as a safe country. The feel for what’s happening locally was another phenomenal London Marathon with the most incredibly inspiring and uplifting atmosphere. Organised and policed to the hilt with a course to avoid the more “diverse” areas. I do wonder how many stabbings went on outside of the marathon in London on Sunday. It’s a fantastic event but it’s on a par with, say, the Queens funeral. Nobody is expecting violent crime during the marathon as no fucker would get away with it. It’s a useless comparison No it isn’t. Cobs says the local atmosphere of a place he doesn’t live in is represented by the article he posted about a couple of violent crimes. I would say evens such as the London marathon, or the FA cup semi finals are a better representation of the local atmosphere in London. The marathon and the cup semi finals affect much larger areas and many more people experience them. |
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Apr 23, 2024 7:05:18 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 23, 2024 7:05:18 GMT
Thankfully Susan Hall has less chance of being Elected Mayor than Sex Offender Stuart Hall It'll be a knockout from Khan Almost as though Khan gets free reign. That’s fine, I don’t have to live there He is a good mayor and will win because of that. There are plenty of candidates you would like. There’s a Britain First candidate who sounds like your hero, Nige. He lies constantly too. |
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Apr 23, 2024 7:09:14 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 23, 2024 7:09:14 GMT
Surely, it’s more that stop and search is subjective and disproportionately targets certain groups rather than it not working? Would you be happy to be grabbed off the street most mornings on your way to work for a 30 minute pat down, background check and talking to? Not a problem for me Has it ever happened to you? |
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Apr 23, 2024 7:11:59 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 23, 2024 7:11:59 GMT
Almost as though Khan gets free reign. That’s fine, I don’t have to live there He is a good mayor and will win because of that. There are plenty of candidates you would like. There’s a Britain First candidate who sounds like your hero, Nige. He lies constantly too. Leave me alone I’m trying to get some work done😉 |
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Apr 23, 2024 8:08:37 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Apr 23, 2024 8:08:37 GMT
Almost as though Khan gets free reign. That’s fine, I don’t have to live there He is a good mayor and will win because of that. There are plenty of candidates you would like. There’s a Britain First candidate who sounds like your hero, Nige. He lies constantly too. nearly spat my drink out when you said good mayor |
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Apr 23, 2024 10:24:14 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 23, 2024 10:24:14 GMT
He is a good mayor and will win because of that. There are plenty of candidates you would like. There’s a Britain First candidate who sounds like your hero, Nige. He lies constantly too. nearly spat my drink out when you said good mayor Massively reduced air pollution, subsidising primary school children’s lunches, record investment in youth clubs, tfl fares frozen for 5 years, 1300 more police on the street, record council houses being built. All on a reducing budget year on year controlled by the tories. I think he has done very well with the limited powers he has as a mayor. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 23, 2024 11:01:14 GMT
Who knows how many it’s saved. Any more than none is a result and some say Stop and Search doesn’t work. The mind boggles Surely, it’s more that stop and search is subjective and disproportionately targets certain groups rather than it not working? Would you be happy to be grabbed off the street most mornings on your way to work for a 30 minute pat down, background check and talking to? "Would you be happy to be grabbed off the street most mornings on your way to work for a 30 minute pat down, background check and talking to?" Has that happened Civil? As you say, it is how it is used. The Glasgow casetudy involved extensive use of stop and search, alongside other strategies |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 23, 2024 11:49:22 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2024 12:03:40 GMT
Yes, interesting indeed. www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/shame-on-you-sadiq-khan-london-deserves-better-than-more-stop-and-search/The evidence shows stop and search is not effective. A 2016 Home Office study evaluating the increase of weapon stop-searches in London under Operational Blunt II in 2008/09, found that “there was no discernible crime-reducing effect from a large surge in stop and search activity at the borough level during the operation.” In New York City, use of stop-frisk has fallen by 98 per cent, to 12,000 searches in 2016. And the murder rate is at an all-time low. Police there have praised advanced analytics for helping them control violent crime and admitted that the department had previously “overused and sometimes misused” stop-frisk. Even the UK College of Policing have conceded that extremely large increases in stop and search would, at best, deliver modest reductions in crime. In relation to violent crime, they found that weapon searches had a negligible impact, estimating that, “if weapon searches were 10 per cent higher in week one, violent crime would have been 0.01 per cent lower in week two”. |
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Post by knype on Apr 23, 2024 14:09:02 GMT
Has it ever happened to you? Yep, multiple times been stopped by the police on my way work in the morning thanks |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 23, 2024 14:31:41 GMT
Has it ever happened to you? Yep, multiple times been stopped by the police on my way work in the morning thanks Dodgy fucker😉 |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 24, 2024 20:19:29 GMT
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