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Sept 5, 2022 9:02:02 GMT
Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 5, 2022 9:02:02 GMT
I suspect that if you look at the figures our local conurbation is exceptionally low in UK terms when it comes to knife crime and most certainly deaths. It won't compare to cities like Manchester or Birmingham let alone the hotspots of london. No where in the UK would compare to London mate. All cities have their issues but London is worse In terms of knife crime Cleveland, Nottinghamshire and Merseyside were the top 3 areas for knife crime offences, London was 4th. Staffordshire was 5th lowest although slightly on the up....... |
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Sept 5, 2022 9:07:04 GMT
Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 5, 2022 9:07:04 GMT
Low compared to big cities of course, but still on the rise from 21 incidents per 1000 residents in 2020, to 45 in 2021...... You're forgetting with your liberal use of statistics to mention it's the 802nd??? most dangerous place in the UK. I run all around it even at night in the depths of winter I have friends all over the city I have a reasonable feel for the place. How are you doing for crime in Prestwich? It's the 5th lowest in England as I've stated in my previous post but still rising, if that's liberal so be it. We get pockets of crime including knife crime which tends to be gang related being on the periphery of Manchester. Never have I felt unsafe walking around day or night.......... |
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Sept 5, 2022 9:17:05 GMT
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 9:17:05 GMT
No where in the UK would compare to London mate. All cities have their issues but London is worse In terms of knife crime Cleveland, Nottinghamshire and Merseyside were the top 3 areas for knife crime offences, London was 4th. Staffordshire was 5th lowest although slightly on the up....... Nah not having it mate and its not just knife crime its everything else as well |
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Sept 5, 2022 9:29:29 GMT
Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 5, 2022 9:29:29 GMT
In terms of knife crime Cleveland, Nottinghamshire and Merseyside were the top 3 areas for knife crime offences, London was 4th. Staffordshire was 5th lowest although slightly on the up....... Nah not having it mate and its not just knife crime its everything else as well If you use overall crime stats Bradford is number one in England, followed by Coventry, Birmingham, Manchester then London......... |
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Sept 5, 2022 9:40:49 GMT
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 9:40:49 GMT
Nah not having it mate and its not just knife crime its everything else as well If you use overall crime stats Bradford is number one in England, followed by Coventry, Birmingham, Manchester then London......... Nah . I imagine Bradford and Brum aren't far behind though |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 5, 2022 9:55:23 GMT
If you use overall crime stats Bradford is number one in England, followed by Coventry, Birmingham, Manchester then London......... Nah . I imagine Bradford and Brum aren't far behind though  |
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Sept 5, 2022 10:02:24 GMT
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 10:02:24 GMT
Nah . I imagine Bradford and Brum aren't far behind though Definitely not 😉 |
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Sept 5, 2022 10:47:24 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 5, 2022 10:47:24 GMT
Have you ever been to cities where they've done that? There was an ex police drugs officer on the radio last week making a good case for decriminalisation and the benefits that this would bring. I'd challenge them to visit a Portland, San Francisco or Seattle. All of them just seem to be in a downward spiral, partly as a result of adopting this policy. |
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Sept 5, 2022 10:51:59 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 5, 2022 10:51:59 GMT
A mate who returned from holiday said to me "the same goes for Paris". Especially the Gard du Nord,gangs just waiting to ambush as you get off the eurostar and step into the daylight. Where the trains from little Sweden arrive. |
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Sept 5, 2022 10:56:00 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 5, 2022 10:56:00 GMT
Are there any problems with alcohol abuse in Sweden musik? Do many people still smoke cigarettes? Unfortunately those drugs aren't criminalised. If alcohol had been invented at this moment, it wouldn't have been legal (in Sweden). |
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Sept 5, 2022 11:01:39 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 5, 2022 11:01:39 GMT
Of course, a decriminalisation of crime (such as drugs) will lead to a reduction in crime. Perhaps Sweden should go all the way and decriminalise gang rape, kidnapping, theft, fraud, murder, blackmail and every other shit activity. Surely that would help the stats?! No that's not Legalising drugs leads to a reduction in other crimes See prohibition in America What other crimes? Do you mean for instance stealing to get money to drugs? I would like to know. Sweden is so far away from that step. Last time I saw a comparison we were like position 34 out of 35 european countries regarding the likelihood of de-criminalisation. Of our political parties only the Communists (7%) are for a de-criminalisation of cannbabis. Other drugs are out of the question. |
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Sept 5, 2022 11:02:45 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 5, 2022 11:02:45 GMT
A mate who returned from holiday said to me "the same goes for Paris". Paris is probably on par with London mate especially in thr surrounding areas . Another third world. They should listen to Marvin Gaye. "Third world girl". Good tune. |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 5, 2022 11:05:35 GMT
Are there any problems with alcohol abuse in Sweden musik? Do many people still smoke cigarettes? Unfortunately those drugs aren't criminalised. If alcohol had been invented at this moment, it wouldn't have been legal (in Sweden). I doubt it would be legal in many places. Nationwide alcohol prohibition was a disaster in America, if it was a workable idea it would still be in place, they scrapped it because of many reasons, people dying from drinking all sorts of adulterated shite that was even more harmful than it was when it was regulated (because the people supplying it couldn't be held to account for the quality) being just one of those reasons, an explosion in the crime rate was another. Humans (and other mammals) have sought to alter their state of consciousness since time began, surely the most sensible thing is to try and ensure that they do it with the minimum amount of harm as long as in the process they're not harming anyone else? |
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Sept 5, 2022 11:09:56 GMT
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 11:09:56 GMT
Paris is probably on par with London mate especially in thr surrounding areas . Another third world. They should listen to Marvin Gaye. "Third world girl". Good tune. Tune. Sexual healing is more my vibe though 😁 |
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Sept 5, 2022 11:21:46 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 5, 2022 11:21:46 GMT
Humans (and other mammals) have sought to alter their state of consciousness since time began, surely the most sensible thing is to try and ensure that they do it with the minimum amount of harm as long as in the process they're not harming anyone else? Obviously, I wasn't born with a reward system in my brain. I really mean that. I thought about it yesterday. I've seen reports about alcoholism and the cause and apparently it has to do with the reward system. My father worked with those questions. In the near future some clinics will be offerings injections to help people get rid of the need. And that's what the horizon will offer. Of course there are medicine today you can take to diminish the need for alcohol, but that's when you're already suffering from alcoholism, called Antabus here. If you drink you'll throw up. The new field is to get target-searching local injections in advance instead. Just like they do with the vaccines against Covid-19 for instance. Prevention in time, from let's say at 7 years old. That's the future I think. And the next step is probably to have them injections against most drugs. It wouldn't surprise me at all if certain countries are forcing them on to the population, a horror scenario naturally. Sweden could certainly be one of them. |
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Sept 5, 2022 11:22:24 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 5, 2022 11:22:24 GMT
They should listen to Marvin Gaye. "Third world girl". Good tune. Tune. Sexual healing is more my vibe though 😁 Marvellous, the same record. |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 5, 2022 11:29:35 GMT
Humans (and other mammals) have sought to alter their state of consciousness since time began, surely the most sensible thing is to try and ensure that they do it with the minimum amount of harm as long as in the process they're not harming anyone else? Obviously, I wasn't born with a reward system in my brain. I really mean that. I thought about it yesterday. I've seen reports about alcoholism and the cause and apparently it has to do with the reward system. My father worked with those questions. In the near future some clinics will be offerings injections to help people get rid of the need. And that's what the horizon will offer. Of course there are medicine today you can take to diminish the need for alcohol, but that's when you're already suffering from alcoholism, called Antabus here. If you drink you'll throw up. The new field is to get target-searching local injections in advance instead. Just like they do with the vaccines against Covid-19 for instance. Prevention in time, from let's say at 7 years old. That's the future I think. And the next step is probably to have them injections against most drugs. It wouldn't surprise me at all if certain countries are forcing them on to the population, a horror scenario naturally. Sweden could certainly be one of them. Thanks for a snapshot of the future according to musik  But in the here and now should we be punishing people for using anything not approved by law no matter the relative harm (or lack of) to the individual or society at large? |
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Post by stokemark on Sept 5, 2022 11:48:48 GMT
Having both lived and worked in London for over 30 years the worst trouble I have ever witnessed involves people throwing up on the night bus / tube.
Usual suspects creating / commenting on this thread to justify an agenda that goes far beyond 'London'
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Sept 5, 2022 13:12:59 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 5, 2022 13:12:59 GMT
Obviously, I wasn't born with a reward system in my brain. I really mean that. I thought about it yesterday. I've seen reports about alcoholism and the cause and apparently it has to do with the reward system. My father worked with those questions. In the near future some clinics will be offerings injections to help people get rid of the need. And that's what the horizon will offer. Of course there are medicine today you can take to diminish the need for alcohol, but that's when you're already suffering from alcoholism, called Antabus here. If you drink you'll throw up. The new field is to get target-searching local injections in advance instead. Just like they do with the vaccines against Covid-19 for instance. Prevention in time, from let's say at 7 years old. That's the future I think. And the next step is probably to have them injections against most drugs. It wouldn't surprise me at all if certain countries are forcing them on to the population, a horror scenario naturally. Sweden could certainly be one of them. Thanks for a snapshot of the future according to musik But in the here and now should we be punishing people for using anything not approved by law no matter the relative harm (or lack of) to the individual or society at large? If there is a law we have to follow it. But I don't believe in punishment. Maybe change them laws? There should be treatment. There is no such drug?! |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 5, 2022 13:32:02 GMT
Thanks for a snapshot of the future according to musik But in the here and now should we be punishing people for using anything not approved by law no matter the relative harm (or lack of) to the individual or society at large? If there is a law we have to follow it. But I don't believe in punishment. Maybe change them laws? There should be treatment. There is no such drug?! There is an extremely wide and varied spectrum as far as harm from drugs are concerned, some are as much as 114 times more harmful than others. I don't believe in punishment for behaviour that doesn't harm others either, historically it doesn't work, the recidivism rate is something like 45%*, if a manufacturer had a 45% failure rate they wouldn't be in business long. *In the UK |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 5, 2022 13:52:59 GMT
Having both lived and worked in London for over 30 years the worst trouble I have ever witnessed involves people throwing up on the night bus / tube. Usual suspects creating / commenting on this thread to justify an agenda that goes far beyond 'London' Pathetic But but but Sadiq Khan........ |
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Sept 5, 2022 13:54:36 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 5, 2022 13:54:36 GMT
If there is a law we have to follow it. But I don't believe in punishment. Maybe change them laws? There should be treatment. There is no such drug?! There is an extremely wide and varied spectrum as far as harm from drugs are concerned, some are as much as 114 times more harmful than others. I don't believe in punishment for behaviour that doesn't harm others either, historically it doesn't work, the recidivism rate is something like 45%*, if a manufacturer had a 45% failure rate they wouldn't be in business long. *In the UK Hold on. You mean the recidivism rate is only 45%? 🤔 I thought it was 100%. And we're still talking about drugs, right, as in drugs = act of crime. What do you think the recidivism rate (yeah, I had to look it up in the dictionary 😁) is if you include all sort of crime there is? |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 5, 2022 14:11:23 GMT
There is an extremely wide and varied spectrum as far as harm from drugs are concerned, some are as much as 114 times more harmful than others. I don't believe in punishment for behaviour that doesn't harm others either, historically it doesn't work, the recidivism rate is something like 45%*, if a manufacturer had a 45% failure rate they wouldn't be in business long. *In the UK Hold on. You mean the recidivism rate is only 45%? 🤔 I thought it was 100%. And we're still talking about drugs, right, as in drugs = act of crime. What do you think the recidivism rate (yeah, I had to look it up in the dictionary 😁) is if you include all sort of crime there is? As far as the harms go, yes, talking drugs one is 114 times as dangerous overall as another. I think it's 45% overall not just for drugs but crime overall, however an awful lot of crime is drug related. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 5, 2022 14:24:43 GMT
Hold on. You mean the recidivism rate is only 45%? 🤔 I thought it was 100%. And we're still talking about drugs, right, as in drugs = act of crime. What do you think the recidivism rate (yeah, I had to look it up in the dictionary 😁) is if you include all sort of crime there is? As far as the harms go, yes, talking drugs one is 114 times as dangerous overall as another. I think it's 45% overall not just for drugs but crime overall, however an awful lot of crime is drug related. I wonder if anyone has ever done an analysis of the benefits/disbenefits of legalising drugs? Once something exists, you'll never eradicate it as long as there is a market for it, so why not control it, remove the crime aspect, tax it, use the proceeds to fund drug rehab etc. Basically, treat it like fags and booze. |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 5, 2022 14:33:43 GMT
As far as the harms go, yes, talking drugs one is 114 times as dangerous overall as another. I think it's 45% overall not just for drugs but crime overall, however an awful lot of crime is drug related. I wonder if anyone has ever done an analysis of the benefits/disbenefits of legalising drugs? Once something exists, you'll never eradicate it as long as there is a market for it, so why not control it, remove the crime aspect, tax it, use the proceeds to fund drug rehab etc. Basically, treat it like fags and booze. Exactly In an excellent book I read recently by Chris Daw QC (Justice on Trial) he advocates just that. A case that helped change his initial prohibitionist stance was when he defended a guy charged with importing £5.5 million worth of cocaine, the guy got off and when he was mulling the case over in the pub afterwards this QC realised that the outcome of the case only actually affected the defendant and his family, nobody would have gone without cocaine had he been convicted, there was no shortage of criminals ready and very willing to occupy the vacant spot in the marketplace. |
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Sept 5, 2022 14:37:33 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 5, 2022 14:37:33 GMT
Have you ever been to cities where they've done that? There was an ex police drugs officer on the radio last week making a good case for decriminalisation and the benefits that this would bring. Yeah it would give the plod more time to persecute more motorists |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 5, 2022 14:39:50 GMT
I wonder if anyone has ever done an analysis of the benefits/disbenefits of legalising drugs? Once something exists, you'll never eradicate it as long as there is a market for it, so why not control it, remove the crime aspect, tax it, use the proceeds to fund drug rehab etc. Basically, treat it like fags and booze. Exactly In an excellent book I read recently by Chris Daw QC (Justice on Trial) he advocates just that. A case that helped change his initial prohibitionist stance was when he defended a guy charged with importing £5.5 million worth of cocaine, the guy got off and when he was mulling the case over in the pub afterwards this QC realised that the outcome of the case only actually affected the defendant and his family, nobody would have gone without cocaine had he been convicted, there was no shortage of criminals ready and very willing to occupy the vacant spot in the marketplace. It's crazy really, isn't it. Similarly dangerous and addictive substances which we treat completely differently, and waste billions of pounds trying, and obviously failing, to control. At the risk of sounding like a stuck record, it's such a shame that the electorate is so ill-informed about this that no politician dare suggest an approach different to the current one (no matter how much money and lives it might save) because the Press and opposition politicians (generally the Right, it has to be said) will whip the electorate into a frenzy of believing that everyone will be constantly off their heads the moment you legalise them. |
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Sept 5, 2022 14:53:04 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 5, 2022 14:53:04 GMT
Hold on. You mean the recidivism rate is only 45%? 🤔 I thought it was 100%. And we're still talking about drugs, right, as in drugs = act of crime. What do you think the recidivism rate (yeah, I had to look it up in the dictionary 😁) is if you include all sort of crime there is? As far as the harms go, yes, talking drugs one is 114 times as dangerous overall as another. I think it's 45% overall not just for drugs but crime overall, however an awful lot of crime is drug related. 45% for crime overall. Gosh! 😲 Say that to the Swedish police. They would be over the moon. A police man said to me "at LEAST 85%, it's always the same people committing crimes here". They're even on tv here procaiming their right to build unions for their occupation. |
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Sept 5, 2022 14:57:26 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 5, 2022 14:57:26 GMT
an awful lot of crime is drug related. Interesting. So basically, without any drugs at all of any kind anywhere in the world, there would be less crime. |
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Sept 5, 2022 15:19:10 GMT
Post by felonious on Sept 5, 2022 15:19:10 GMT
Exactly In an excellent book I read recently by Chris Daw QC (Justice on Trial) he advocates just that. A case that helped change his initial prohibitionist stance was when he defended a guy charged with importing £5.5 million worth of cocaine, the guy got off and when he was mulling the case over in the pub afterwards this QC realised that the outcome of the case only actually affected the defendant and his family, nobody would have gone without cocaine had he been convicted, there was no shortage of criminals ready and very willing to occupy the vacant spot in the marketplace. It's crazy really, isn't it. Similarly dangerous and addictive substances which we treat completely differently, and waste billions of pounds trying, and obviously failing, to control. At the risk of sounding like a stuck record, it's such a shame that the electorate is so ill-informed about this that no politician dare suggest an approach different to the current one (no matter how much money and lives it might save) because the Press and opposition politicians (generally the Right, it has to be said) will whip the electorate into a frenzy of believing that everyone will be constantly off their heads the moment you legalise them. You're in danger of sounding like a stuck record  No party is going to deal with the issue unless there is a proper debate but who's got the balls to start one. inews.co.uk/opinion/labour-mps-are-furious-with-sadiq-khan-but-his-drugs-policy-could-work-1629862Here's your party of choice tying itself up in knots over drugs. |
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