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Sept 4, 2022 23:00:44 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 4, 2022 23:00:44 GMT
Of course, a decriminalisation of crime (such as drugs) will lead to a reduction in crime.
Perhaps Sweden should go all the way and decriminalise gang rape, kidnapping, theft, fraud, murder, blackmail and every other shit activity.
Surely that would help the stats?!
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Sept 4, 2022 23:12:20 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 4, 2022 23:12:20 GMT
It’s tragic of course it is. There are just shy of 400,000 residents in the borough of Croydon though, so as I say it has its crime related issues but all this talk of no go areas is silly……. Ok so Stoke on Trent has a population of 678000. Using the same ratio if there’d been 7 teenagers stabbed to death in a year would you not think that concerning to say the least. For me that’s a very high figure especially as those 5 teenage males are a small percentage of the 400k. So you’re looking at 5 from maybe 50,000. |
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Sept 5, 2022 1:04:45 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 5, 2022 1:04:45 GMT
It’s tragic of course it is. There are just shy of 400,000 residents in the borough of Croydon though, so as I say it has its crime related issues but all this talk of no go areas is silly……. Ok so Stoke on Trent has a population of 678000. Using the same ratio if there’d been 7 teenagers stabbed to death in a year would you not think that concerning to say the least. For me that’s a very high figure especially as those 5 teenage males are a small percentage of the 400k. So you’re looking at 5 from maybe 50,000. Isn’t the population of Stoke-on-Trent about 260,000? |
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Sept 5, 2022 3:23:46 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 5, 2022 3:23:46 GMT
Absolutely spot on but I fear it’s too late. Stop and search is clearly needed to be upscaled in certain areas all over the country based on statistical analysis of violence using weapons. Reform on the laws relating to drugs would solve more in my opinion. You can't stop and search every person in the city every day, especially with the funding the police receive these days. Most of the violence is gang related and money/drug motivated too. The war on drugs doesn't work and hasn't worked. De criminalise and legalise the different drugs and you take away the fuel which gives these gangs the power they have. Have you ever been to cities where they've done that? |
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Sept 5, 2022 4:38:57 GMT
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Post by chuffedstokie on Sept 5, 2022 4:38:57 GMT
Typical London these days A mate who returned from holiday said to me "the same goes for Paris". Especially the Gard du Nord,gangs just waiting to ambush as you get off the eurostar and step into the daylight. |
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Sept 5, 2022 6:24:36 GMT
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Post by misterj on Sept 5, 2022 6:24:36 GMT
The only positive I can see for London, Paris, Barcelona, New York etc etc is that with increased cctv, face recognition etc it should be extremely difficult to get away with sh** behaviour maybe five years from now, unless the PC brigade say all this surveillance is taking away our human rights, it’ll prob be possible by then to ‘lock in’ to criminals’ mobile device and just follow them straight home.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 5, 2022 6:51:12 GMT
Of course, a decriminalisation of crime (such as drugs) will lead to a reduction in crime. Perhaps Sweden should go all the way and decriminalise gang rape, kidnapping, theft, fraud, murder, blackmail and every other shit activity. Surely that would help the stats?! Are there any problems with alcohol abuse in Sweden musik? Do many people still smoke cigarettes? |
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Post by UNKLE on Sept 5, 2022 7:01:47 GMT
One of the greatest cities in the world. It has it’s challenges around gang related crime of course but this is scaremongering nonsense. It even rates fairly highly (14th in 2022) as one of the worlds safest cities to visit as a tourist…… I’ve lived in an ordinary part of West London for 25 years and have always felt pretty safe. Housing good (if you’re lucky enough to be on the ladder), parks good, excellent schools, great pubs(now you can get a pint of bitter with a head on). Brilliant restaurants catering for all budgets. There are bad areas I wouldn’t go to, much the same as any other city. I read with interest threads about Hanley and the fact it’s now a virtual no go area. |
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Sept 5, 2022 7:27:19 GMT
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Post by lordb on Sept 5, 2022 7:27:19 GMT
Of course, a decriminalisation of crime (such as drugs) will lead to a reduction in crime. Perhaps Sweden should go all the way and decriminalise gang rape, kidnapping, theft, fraud, murder, blackmail and every other shit activity. Surely that would help the stats?! No that's not Legalising drugs leads to a reduction in other crimes See prohibition in America |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 5, 2022 7:28:08 GMT
One of the greatest cities in the world. It has it’s challenges around gang related crime of course but this is scaremongering nonsense. It even rates fairly highly (14th in 2022) as one of the worlds safest cities to visit as a tourist…… I’ve lived in an ordinary part of West London for 25 years and have always felt pretty safe. Housing good (if you’re lucky enough to be on the ladder), parks good, excellent schools, great pubs(now you can get a pint of bitter with a head on). Brilliant restaurants catering for all budgets. There are bad areas I wouldn’t go to, much the same as any other city. I read with interest threads about Hanley and the fact it’s now a virtual no go area. Generally when people say “no go areas” it’s bollocks. Yes there are areas at night where you have to have your wits about you in London or elsewhere but it’s a massive over exaggeration……. |
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Sept 5, 2022 7:28:55 GMT
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Post by lordb on Sept 5, 2022 7:28:55 GMT
Ok so Stoke on Trent has a population of 678000. Using the same ratio if there’d been 7 teenagers stabbed to death in a year would you not think that concerning to say the least. For me that’s a very high figure especially as those 5 teenage males are a small percentage of the 400k. So you’re looking at 5 from maybe 50,000. Isn’t the population of Stoke-on-Trent about 260,000? About that or even less N.Staffs as a whole, not including Stafford is under 500000 |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 5, 2022 7:32:25 GMT
Of course, a decriminalisation of crime (such as drugs) will lead to a reduction in crime. Perhaps Sweden should go all the way and decriminalise gang rape, kidnapping, theft, fraud, murder, blackmail and every other shit activity. Surely that would help the stats?! No that's not Legalising drugs leads to a reduction in other crimes See prohibition in America See also decriminilisation in Portugal that coincided with that country going from around 96th of the safest places to live/visit in the world to top 5. |
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Sept 5, 2022 7:38:22 GMT
Post by westlandstokie on Sept 5, 2022 7:38:22 GMT
My daughter lives and works in London, I insist that when she’s out with friends regardless of the time she rings saying she’s home, otherwise I can’t get to sleep. Same here mate…my daughter is living in London and studying at a dance college…I worry about her every day. I too get her to text me when she gets home after a night out…most times she does (sometimes she forgets) kids eh lol. She only has 2 more years to do down there and she then hopefully gets a job somewhere else. We are down there quite a lot…we go again this Saturday and I miss the Luton game …but we’ve never had any hassle anywhere (probably helps that I’m 6’1” and about 16 stone) 😂 |
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Sept 5, 2022 7:38:26 GMT
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Post by UNKLE on Sept 5, 2022 7:38:26 GMT
A mate who returned from holiday said to me "the same goes for Paris". Just spent 3 days in Paris a couple of weeks back, we walked for miles day and night and had a great time and there was no problems whatsoever……. Funnily enough I got back from a 5 day city break in Paris last week. Cabbed in out of Gard de Nord and stayed in Les Halles. Walked around the city day and night and didn’t see any trouble. Obviously kept our wits about us, but had a great time. Maybe as we’re used to a big city it was less intimidating. |
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Post by felonious on Sept 5, 2022 7:45:56 GMT
Ok so Stoke on Trent has a population of 678000. Using the same ratio if there’d been 7 teenagers stabbed to death in a year would you not think that concerning to say the least. For me that’s a very high figure especially as those 5 teenage males are a small percentage of the 400k. So you’re looking at 5 from maybe 50,000. Isn’t the population of Stoke-on-Trent about 260,000? I don't think that you can look at Stoke On Trent in isolation. The local conurbation must be double your figure. Knife crime if it exists in the Potteries wouldn't care about a arbitrary border between SOT and NUL and the adjoining towns. |
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Post by telfordstoke on Sept 5, 2022 7:46:54 GMT
As a Londoner I'm clearly partial to the place but having moved away 20 plus years ago I am ambivalent now, miss it sometimes and equally appalled at some things when I go back
Worked in Fulham in the 90s and we had a diverse workforce and was the first time I realized the enmity between the Eritreans and the Ethiopians ,to the point we had to segregate them on different shifts. Likewise we had some Sri Lankans one of whom had been a Tamil Tiger and we also people from.pro-govt families and that was a political minefield. And that was before we had a big eastern European influx . Workrate was impeccable but the politics and aggro that came with it was hard work.
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Post by felonious on Sept 5, 2022 7:47:55 GMT
Reform on the laws relating to drugs would solve more in my opinion. You can't stop and search every person in the city every day, especially with the funding the police receive these days. Most of the violence is gang related and money/drug motivated too. The war on drugs doesn't work and hasn't worked. De criminalise and legalise the different drugs and you take away the fuel which gives these gangs the power they have. Have you ever been to cities where they've done that? There was an ex police drugs officer on the radio last week making a good case for decriminalisation and the benefits that this would bring. |
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Sept 5, 2022 7:54:35 GMT
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 7:54:35 GMT
Typical London these days A mate who returned from holiday said to me "the same goes for Paris". Paris is probably on par with London mate especially in thr surrounding areas . Another third world. |
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Sept 5, 2022 7:55:21 GMT
Post by felonious on Sept 5, 2022 7:55:21 GMT
One of the greatest cities in the world. It has it’s challenges around gang related crime of course but this is scaremongering nonsense. It even rates fairly highly (14th in 2022) as one of the worlds safest cities to visit as a tourist…… I’ve lived in an ordinary part of West London for 25 years and have always felt pretty safe. Housing good (if you’re lucky enough to be on the ladder), parks good, excellent schools, great pubs(now you can get a pint of bitter with a head on). Brilliant restaurants catering for all budgets. There are bad areas I wouldn’t go to, much the same as any other city. I read with interest threads about Hanley and the fact it’s now a virtual no go area. Well I was in Hanley a week last Friday I had an early evening stroll up to the centre to see what all the fuss was about and didn't feel threatened or see anything of note. The area around Piccadilly was vibrant but of course without all the "background noise" see various threads on here I'm sure there would have been more people about also the cost of living issues may have some bearing. I saw a couple of bands, enjoyed a bit of the DJ set and then headed off separately from my friends to the car park around 11:30 without incident. |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 7:57:15 GMT
People turning London into the shit-hole they came from. In a nutshell. No gone areas , knives , guns , gangs . It's ok to visit for the day and maybe stay over night see the sites etc but imagine raising a kid there . No thanks |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 5, 2022 8:05:58 GMT
Isn’t the population of Stoke-on-Trent about 260,000? I don't think that you can look at Stoke On Trent in isolation. The local conurbation must be double your figure. Knife crime if it exists in the Potteries wouldn't care about a arbitrary border between SOT and NUL and the adjoining towns. Of course you can't, the poster cited the population of Stoke-on-Trent that was all. Knife crime amongst youngsters in particular is a problem in most inner cities not just London.......... |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 5, 2022 8:30:05 GMT
Have you ever been to cities where they've done that? There was an ex police drugs officer on the radio last week making a good case for decriminalisation and the benefits that this would bring. Was it this bloke? www.neilwoods.net/I went to an event Neil Woods was speaking at a couple of months back, very interesting, his books are on my 'to read' list. |
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Sept 5, 2022 8:38:47 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 5, 2022 8:38:47 GMT
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Sept 5, 2022 8:39:11 GMT
Post by felonious on Sept 5, 2022 8:39:11 GMT
I don't think that you can look at Stoke On Trent in isolation. The local conurbation must be double your figure. Knife crime if it exists in the Potteries wouldn't care about a arbitrary border between SOT and NUL and the adjoining towns. Of course you can't, the poster cited the population of Stoke-on-Trent that was all. Knife crime amongst youngsters in particular is a problem in most inner cities not just London.......... I suspect that if you look at the figures our local conurbation is exceptionally low in UK terms when it comes to knife crime and most certainly deaths. It won't compare to cities like Manchester or Birmingham let alone the hotspots of london. |
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Sept 5, 2022 8:43:06 GMT
Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 5, 2022 8:43:06 GMT
Of course you can't, the poster cited the population of Stoke-on-Trent that was all. Knife crime amongst youngsters in particular is a problem in most inner cities not just London.......... I suspect that if you look at the figures our local conurbation is exceptionally low in UK terms when it comes to knife crime and most certainly deaths. It won't compare to cities like Manchester or Birmingham let alone the hotspots of london. Low compared to big cities of course, but still on the rise from 21 incidents per 1000 residents in 2020, to 45 in 2021 (that's violent crime in total, included in that knife crime is also up year on year) |
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Sept 5, 2022 8:47:53 GMT
Post by felonious on Sept 5, 2022 8:47:53 GMT
There was an ex police drugs officer on the radio last week making a good case for decriminalisation and the benefits that this would bring. Was it this bloke? www.neilwoods.net/I went to an event Neil Woods was speaking at a couple of months back, very interesting, his books are on my 'to read' list. I didn't get his name but he made a convincing case for it. You're never going to stop drug use and it's better controlled by the state and of course it would free up police time for much more important matters. |
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Sept 5, 2022 8:50:05 GMT
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 8:50:05 GMT
Of course you can't, the poster cited the population of Stoke-on-Trent that was all. Knife crime amongst youngsters in particular is a problem in most inner cities not just London.......... I suspect that if you look at the figures our local conurbation is exceptionally low in UK terms when it comes to knife crime and most certainly deaths. It won't compare to cities like Manchester or Birmingham let alone the hotspots of london. No where in the UK would compare to London mate. All cities have their issues but London is worse |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 5, 2022 8:56:50 GMT
Was it this bloke? www.neilwoods.net/I went to an event Neil Woods was speaking at a couple of months back, very interesting, his books are on my 'to read' list. I didn't get his name but he made a convincing case for it. You're never going to stop drug use and it's better controlled by the state and of course it would free up police time for much more important matters. I agree, drug prohibition appears to hand a multi billion pound business to the criminal fraternity, doesn't make a lot of sense to me. |
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Post by questionable on Sept 5, 2022 8:57:03 GMT
A mate who returned from holiday said to me "the same goes for Paris". Paris is probably on par with London mate especially in thr surrounding areas . Another third world. We’ve been to Paris on a number of occasions and it’s far worse than London, the Cultural Quarter is something else at night and dodgy as hell and totally harassed by beggars whilst we were there. It’s a place we’d never return to even if it was free |
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Post by felonious on Sept 5, 2022 8:57:06 GMT
I suspect that if you look at the figures our local conurbation is exceptionally low in UK terms when it comes to knife crime and most certainly deaths. It won't compare to cities like Manchester or Birmingham let alone the hotspots of london. Low compared to big cities of course, but still on the rise from 21 incidents per 1000 residents in 2020, to 45 in 2021...... You're forgetting with your liberal use of statistics to mention it's the 802nd??? most dangerous place in the UK. I run all around it even at night in the depths of winter I have friends all over the city I have a reasonable feel for the place. How are you doing for crime in Prestwich? |
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