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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 23, 2022 19:21:45 GMT
I'm not sure that O'Neill can be kicked any further upstairs. In a weird way, he's the Director of Football in all but the title, albeit a little more hands on. Holden is more head coach than conventional assistant manager.
That's a bit flippant because I can't be bothered writing more than a couple of sentences, but I think that there is a little grain of truth there.
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Post by pretzel on Aug 23, 2022 19:23:38 GMT
I genuinely don't think I've booed any of our own at Stoke in a long long time. That's due in the main to the long abiding shame I still feel for booing Dobing off the pitch when he was substituted in what I recall was his last appearance in a Stoke shirt (possibly away at Coventry). Even simply posting this makes me feel dirty and worthless
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Post by thevoid on Aug 23, 2022 19:26:12 GMT
Personally I can see it happening on or after the Watford home game on October 1st. Which is followed by away fixture at Burnley and then at home to Sheffield United. Three really tough fixtures indeed. Pathetic 35 points from 33 games you mean? Quite right, it is pathetic. I agree.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 23, 2022 19:37:40 GMT
Anyone else think Mark Robins would do a good job with the players we have here?
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Post by RF10 on Aug 23, 2022 20:57:55 GMT
Jones was given 11 games so that puts it to after QPR on 24th September. After giving the mananger what he wants the board will want to see if can pull things around. Given the injuries I think if we pick up a couple more wins he would be given longer. Unless there is a high chance of us going down he will be in charge until the summer. I thought Jones got 8 points from 15 games before being sacked? 1 win and 2 draws in the next 10 will better that lol. He had 11 games in the championship and won just 1. Played 3 in league cup.
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Post by baystokie on Aug 23, 2022 21:32:01 GMT
I may be wrong, and I stand to be corrected (or vindicated) by older Stokies but I seem to remember quite a few chants of 'Waddington Out' during the late 60's Look what happened after that I think that was when he was playing the "Waddington Wall" out of desperation to try and keep us up. I think the Waddington Wall began in Waddo's first season as manager in 1960/61 to keep us in the Second Division. In 1961, Sir Stan came back and, as they say, the rest is history. IF the chants in the late 60s had been listened to, then the 1970-76 period could/would have been very different to what transpired -would the fans have accepted blame for their influence IF they had had their way - NOT!
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 23, 2022 21:35:03 GMT
I think that was when he was playing the "Waddington Wall" out of desperation to try and keep us up. I think the Waddington Wall began in Waddo's first season as manager in 1960/61 to keep us in the Second Division. In 1961, Sir Stan came back and, as they say, the rest is history. IF the chants in the late 60s had been listened to, then the 1970-76 period could/would have been very different to what transpired -would the fans have accepted blame for their influence IF they had had their way - NOT! That makes me regret booing Nathan Jones after a particularly pathetic home performance against Huddersfield - NOT!
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Post by zommbee on Aug 23, 2022 22:07:48 GMT
I thought Jones got 8 points from 15 games before being sacked? 1 win and 2 draws in the next 10 will better that lol. He had 11 games in the championship and won just 1. Played 3 in league cup. Jones had 14 Championship games in 2019-20, won two (Swansea away, Fulham home) drew two and lost ten. He was sacked a few days after losing 2-0 at Millwall 26/10/19.
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Post by dirtclod on Aug 24, 2022 2:29:53 GMT
My town has a place downtown where you can throw axes at targets... Yeah they literally have a sign in the window "Come Throw Stuff!!"
Edit: I'll practice up. Please send for me when it's time. Probably come in through Liverpool on a freighter. The Rednecki Maru
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Post by s7oke on Aug 24, 2022 3:33:00 GMT
June 2023 if I’m being honest I think that they will leave him in charge So it’s gonna be a clinch your arse cheeks last few games of the season
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Post by silsdenstokie on Aug 24, 2022 6:02:44 GMT
Anyone else think Mark Robins would do a good job with the players we have here? Yep. Woukd be a great appoitment imo Cant see the board paying for him though
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Post by thevoid on Aug 24, 2022 6:38:36 GMT
Anyone else think Mark Robins would do a good job with the players we have here? Why would he leave Coventry? Plus this is the only job in which he's had any degree of success. He was sacked at Huddersfield for poor results (quite early in the season as well I think?)
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Post by theonlooker on Aug 24, 2022 7:16:23 GMT
Anyone else think Mark Robins would do a good job with the players we have here? Would be a far better option than Mowbray or Hughton IMO.
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Post by 36dd on Aug 24, 2022 7:48:49 GMT
As I have mentioned on Facebook (sentinel possibly), I have a lot of respect for MON, thank him for his contribution stabilising the squad.
But I gave him 5 games and unfortunately his stubbornness on the formation is his downfall.
I’m hoping that by the time I come back off holiday he has been relived of his duties, which is after Blackburn & Swansea.
As in a replacement I haven’t got a clue? But surely whoever was appointed needs to have alternative plans for matches. Plus getting the players to work for their place in the team.
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Post by spiderpuss on Aug 24, 2022 8:20:19 GMT
Anyone else think Mark Robins would do a good job with the players we have here? Would be a far better option than Mowbray or Hughton IMO. If we're going for those last two we might as well just keep MON in charge. Two bluffers who've had their day.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 24, 2022 8:23:20 GMT
I think that's a bit harsh on Mowbray.
Even with a terrible run of form in the new year, he still got Blackburn to 8th last year.
Hughton, definitely. He's finished.
Not sure if Robins is temptable. They seem to have a meagre budget, so he won't be well-paid. But he's signed a new deal, so would require compensation.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 24, 2022 8:24:00 GMT
Would be a far better option than Mowbray or Hughton IMO. If we're going for those last two we might as well just keep MON in charge. Two bluffers who've had their day. Mowbray, as underwhelming as he'd be, would get more out of this squad imo.
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Post by spiderpuss on Aug 24, 2022 8:37:36 GMT
If we're going for those last two we might as well just keep MON in charge. Two bluffers who've had their day. Mowbray, as underwhelming as he'd be, would get more out of this squad imo. I'm sure an everyday supporter would get more out. Moanbray would be around for a couple years, as you say plod along to 8th, and then it would be same old same old. Is that what we're looking for here?
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Post by theonlooker on Aug 24, 2022 8:38:22 GMT
I think that's a bit harsh on Mowbray. Even with a terrible run of form in the new year, he still got Blackburn to 8th last year. Hughton, definitely. He's finished. Not sure if Robins is temptable. They seem to have a meagre budget, so he won't be well-paid. But he's signed a new deal, so would require compensation. To be fair and even though, he's had pretty much the Championship top scorer cheat codes for the last two seasons (credit to him for that), along with excellent midfielders like Rothwell and got nowhere near promotion. Also worth noting that the last time he went into a club in and around the relegation zone (Blackburn), which is where we'll be by the time the job becomes available here, he got relegated.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 24, 2022 8:41:07 GMT
Mowbray is a fine Championship manager, good record and plays good football. Isn't that what people are demanding?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 24, 2022 8:42:00 GMT
Mowbray, as underwhelming as he'd be, would get more out of this squad imo. I'm sure an everyday supporter would get more out. Moanbray would be around for a couple years, as you say plod along to 8th, and then it would be same old same old. Is that what we're looking for here? I'd snap your hand off for 'plodding around to 8th' right now, yes. That would leave us in a significantly better position.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 24, 2022 8:44:31 GMT
I think that's a bit harsh on Mowbray. Even with a terrible run of form in the new year, he still got Blackburn to 8th last year. Hughton, definitely. He's finished. Not sure if Robins is temptable. They seem to have a meagre budget, so he won't be well-paid. But he's signed a new deal, so would require compensation. To be fair and even though, he's had pretty much the Championship top scorer cheat codes for the last two seasons (credit to him for that), along with excellent midfielders like Rothwell and got nowhere near promotion. Also worth noting that the last time he went into a club in and around the relegation zone (Blackburn), which is where we'll be by the time the job becomes available here, he got relegated. Joined end of Feb & relegated Came straight back up 15th, 11th, 8th Trending upwards. Not saying he's my first choice but we could do a lot worse.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 24, 2022 8:44:52 GMT
Anyone else think Mark Robins would do a good job with the players we have here? I was advocating him last season for the work he's done at Coventry in extremely trying circumstances. Young, attacking side which, last season at least, scored a bucketful of late goals which, if nothing else shows that they never stop going for it, in marked contrast to ourselves last season. He did leave Coventry and didn't succeed at either Huddersfield or Scunthorpe so that is something to consider. Some managers (Nathan Jones) seem to fit certain clubs and that might be the case with Robins and Coventry, but if we can't attract Dyche or similar, then I doubt that we would make things worse by sacking O'Neil and appointing Robins. You'd hope he'd want to come. Probably more chance of Prem Lge football at Stoke than Cov, given their ownership and ground issues, but maybe not, who knows?
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Post by theonlooker on Aug 24, 2022 8:46:39 GMT
To be fair and even though, he's had pretty much the Championship top scorer cheat codes for the last two seasons (credit to him for that), along with excellent midfielders like Rothwell and got nowhere near promotion. Also worth noting that the last time he went into a club in and around the relegation zone (Blackburn), which is where we'll be by the time the job becomes available here, he got relegated. Joined end of Feb & relegated Came straight back up 15th, 11th, 8th Trending upwards. Not saying he's my first choice but we could do a lot worse. Of course we could do a lot worse. With this lot in charge we probably will.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 24, 2022 8:48:14 GMT
Mowbray, as underwhelming as he'd be, would get more out of this squad imo. I'm sure an everyday supporter would get more out. Moanbray would be around for a couple years, as you say plod along to 8th, and then it would be same old same old. Is that what we're looking for here? 8th would be great and would show a massive improvement on what we're seeing now, if MON had managed anywhere near that last season I don't think people would be asking for him to go just yet.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 24, 2022 8:50:16 GMT
To be fair and even though, he's had pretty much the Championship top scorer cheat codes for the last two seasons (credit to him for that), along with excellent midfielders like Rothwell and got nowhere near promotion. Also worth noting that the last time he went into a club in and around the relegation zone (Blackburn), which is where we'll be by the time the job becomes available here, he got relegated. Joined end of Feb & relegated Came straight back up 15th, 11th, 8th Trending upwards. Not saying he's my first choice but we could do a lot worse. Yep. Joined a basket case club with 15 games to go when they were £100m in debt and morale was subterranean and got them straight back up anyway. I'm sure the context of that relegation just slipped Looky's mind.
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Post by tqstokie on Aug 24, 2022 9:49:56 GMT
Has the axe fell and bounced off his head?
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Post by femark on Aug 24, 2022 10:33:17 GMT
He'll be given until the winter break even if he maintains the current form. If we fall off drastically then he'll go before and if we pick up he'll stay.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 24, 2022 13:17:26 GMT
I hope they are putting out feelers for a replacement. I said the threshold should be less than 10 points after 10 games. He’s on track for 8 with only one win so far. He can fall back on injuries as the main cause of our poor performances, which it is. However, he can’t play 3-5-2 with the players available and he has to change or we’ll likely lose the next five games - it’s that bad.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 24, 2022 14:13:45 GMT
I hope they are putting out feelers for a replacement. I said the threshold should be less than 10 points after 10 games. He’s on track for 8 with only one win so far. He can fall back on injuries as the main cause of our poor performances, which it is. However, he can’t play 3-5-2 with the players available and he has to change or we’ll likely lose the next five games - it’s that bad. We're still monitoring. Far too early for feelers yet.
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