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Post by thevoid on Nov 27, 2022 9:56:53 GMT
You'd have to fancy France if they played Ireland on home turf. On current form I'd put NZ v Ire 60%-40% in NZ's favour but that's only tilted by NZ's past reputation and the 'don't write them off' factor. To be fair on home soil France may have an edge but Ireland are not the No 1 Ranked team in the World for nothing On the last 10 times Ireland played France they have won 6 times including at a World Cup I think however Ireland have the edge over New Zealand having beaten them 3 times out of 4 in the last year including a Test Series Win in New Zealand. The first by a Northern Hemisphere Team since Jesus was a Boy True but Ireland have, amazingly, never won a KO game at the WC (obviously they don't have a Round of 16 to help). Pretty poor fare for a country of their standing and, although they're a better side at the moment than NZ, in a KO World Cup match I'd back the All Blacks nearly every time |
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Post by thevoid on Nov 27, 2022 10:14:25 GMT
I'm beginning to think I'm wrong 🤔 Occam's razor would suggest that Jones isn't making us look shit to fool the opposition and is in fact clueless, out of ideas, tactically inept and needs to go. Hopefully there will enough money in the pot to bring Farrell home. There's talk of Wales bringing Gatland back. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 27, 2022 11:21:36 GMT
I'm beginning to think I'm wrong 🤔 Occam's razor would suggest that Jones isn't making us look shit to fool the opposition and is in fact clueless, out of ideas, tactically inept and needs to go. Hopefully there will enough money in the pot to bring Farrell home. There's talk of Wales bringing Gatland back. I'd go for Gatland if he'd take it. Just to annoy the Welsh. |
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Post by knype on Nov 27, 2022 12:30:56 GMT
England are so pedestrian. Imagine if we actually had backs that could start in their own 22 and ten seconds later go over for a try, instead of crash, bang, wallop over and over. We do have ? Sadly they either aren't fit or don't get picked |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 30, 2022 20:02:23 GMT
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Post by knype on Nov 30, 2022 20:34:53 GMT
Me too as long as its only short term and the Rfu have a clear plan |
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Post by deeside2 on Nov 30, 2022 20:39:32 GMT
Me too - Eddie needs to go.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 1, 2022 10:02:07 GMT
England coach Eddie Jones' relationship with fans is broken - Ugo Monye - www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63793165England: RFU to conduct review into 'disappointing' autumn series - www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63772071At least people are starting to ask questions now. Let's hope the review is a more extensive one than the supposed root and branch enquiry Stoke were supposed to undertake following relegation! |
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Post by deeside2 on Dec 3, 2022 7:51:53 GMT
Looks like Eddie's going and his fate will be officially decided next week. The RFU are meeting on Monday/Tuesday and the decision likely to be announced on Wednesday. Looks like it'll most probably be Gatland taking charge till after the World Cup, then Steve Borthwick after that. Most other favourites are ruled out, Farrell staying with Ireland, Edwards with France, O'Gara at La Rochelle, with Richard Cockerill now being mentioned as a temporary stand-in if Gatland says no.
I'm not sure about Borthwick being the right man to take us forward but there doesn’t seem to be many other standout options, unless money talks and we can buy someone who's currently seemingly contracted long term.
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Post by franklin on Dec 3, 2022 8:03:19 GMT
Congratulations to Wayne Barnes BTW for his 100th Test match 👏 I didn't know that either, some fan I am 😆
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Post by knype on Dec 3, 2022 8:06:55 GMT
Looks like Eddie's going and his fate will be officially decided next week. The RFU are meeting on Monday/Tuesday and the decision likely to be announced on Wednesday. Looks like it'll most probably be Gatland taking charge till after the World Cup, then Steve Borthwick after that. Most other favourites are ruled out, Farrell staying with Ireland, Edwards with France, O'Gara at La Rochelle, with Richard Cockerill now being mentioned as a temporary stand-in if Gatland says no. I'm not sure about Borthwick being the right man to take us forward but there doesn’t seem to be many other standout options, unless money talks and we can buy someone who's currently seemingly contracted long term. Yes seems like he maybe out this week, was interesting listening to James Haskell going against sacking Eddie, saying he's an unbelievable coach. I think he was in his day but he may have hung around for too long with England and the performances since 2019 have not been good enough. I'm not particularly keen on Borthwick taking over either to be honest, would have preferred us to have snaffled Robertson on a 4 year deal to bring something out of the box |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 3, 2022 8:53:22 GMT
Looks like Eddie's going and his fate will be officially decided next week. The RFU are meeting on Monday/Tuesday and the decision likely to be announced on Wednesday. Looks like it'll most probably be Gatland taking charge till after the World Cup, then Steve Borthwick after that. Most other favourites are ruled out, Farrell staying with Ireland, Edwards with France, O'Gara at La Rochelle, with Richard Cockerill now being mentioned as a temporary stand-in if Gatland says no. I'm not sure about Borthwick being the right man to take us forward but there doesn’t seem to be many other standout options, unless money talks and we can buy someone who's currently seemingly contracted long term. I've always wanted Gatland and Edwards in tandem for England, so if it is just Gatland that's a shame it's only 50%. He didn't have a particularly successful time back in NZ in domestic rugby after Wales, if my memory serves me rightly, so we'll see if he's still got it. No disputing the impact he and Edwards had on Wales. You can only imagine what he might have done for a country with numerous times the rugby resources. |
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Post by deeside2 on Dec 3, 2022 9:31:17 GMT
Depends how switched on the stuffed shirts in charge of the RFU are as to which way we go in the future, let's hope they're more pro-active than JC at Stoke.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 3, 2022 9:48:23 GMT
Gatland for a World Cup campaign? I'll buy that for a dollar- especially will a reasonable potential route to the semis
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Post by deeside2 on Dec 5, 2022 13:00:53 GMT
Wales have acted sharpish to snaffle Gatland ahead of England. Will Eddie get a reprieve (hope not) or will it have to be Borthwick straight away or is there a plan C (whoever that is) ?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 5, 2022 13:06:47 GMT
Wales have acted sharpish to snaffle Gatland ahead of England. Will Eddie get a reprieve (hope not) or will it have to be Borthwick straight away or is there a plan C (whoever that is) ? The RFU following the Stoke City board playbook....wait, wait, wait, dither, dither, dither....oh, better managers gone elsewhere...  |
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Post by professorplump on Dec 6, 2022 8:09:27 GMT
Wales have acted sharpish to snaffle Gatland ahead of England. Will Eddie get a reprieve (hope not) or will it have to be Borthwick straight away or is there a plan C (whoever that is) ? I don't think Borthwick will leave Leicester before the end of the season so they will probably appoint Richard Cockerill on an interim basis, assuming they ditch Eddie. Personally, my choice for our next coach would be Scott Robertson, currently coaching Canterbury Crusaders in NZ. Most New Zealanders would like him to be coaching the All Blacks so it would be good to nip in and get him while he is still available. |
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Post by deeside2 on Dec 6, 2022 8:56:23 GMT
Wales have acted sharpish to snaffle Gatland ahead of England. Will Eddie get a reprieve (hope not) or will it have to be Borthwick straight away or is there a plan C (whoever that is) ? I don't think Borthwick will leave Leicester before the end of the season so they will probably appoint Richard Cockerill on an interim basis, assuming they ditch Eddie. Personally, my choice for our next coach would be Scott Robertson, currently coaching Canterbury Crusaders in NZ. Most New Zealanders would like him to be coaching the All Blacks so it would be good to nip in and get him while he is still available. Yes, I agree. I'd go for Robertson as well, I just hope the Board don't dawdle and dither for too much longer. |
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Post by knype on Dec 6, 2022 9:28:51 GMT
I don't think Borthwick will leave Leicester before the end of the season so they will probably appoint Richard Cockerill on an interim basis, assuming they ditch Eddie. Personally, my choice for our next coach would be Scott Robertson, currently coaching Canterbury Crusaders in NZ. Most New Zealanders would like him to be coaching the All Blacks so it would be good to nip in and get him while he is still available. Yes, I agree. I'd go for Robertson as well, I just hope the Board don't dawdle and dither for too much longer. I think the decision is made on EJ, sadly I think that they will plump for the safe option of Borthwick ! |
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Post by salopstick on Dec 6, 2022 11:35:28 GMT
For once decisive action by the welsh rugby board
Pivac out Warren back
Just in time to fend off England. Jones gone
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Post by deeside2 on Dec 6, 2022 12:21:17 GMT
So Eddie's gone, with Richard Cockerill named interim coach of the "men's performance team". Borthwick rumoured to be taking over very soon.
I don't know how realistic it was for Gatland, but I think we've missed an opportunity there, so well done Wales.
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Post by knype on Dec 6, 2022 12:23:46 GMT
So Eddie's gone, with Richard Cockerill named interim coach of the "men's performance team". Borthwick rumoured to be taking over very soon. I don't know how realistic it was for Gatland, but I think we've missed an opportunity there, so well done Wales. From what's been said, England wanted Gatland on a short term deal, Wales offered security. |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 6, 2022 12:37:49 GMT
Thanks for the memories Eddie (and there were many good ones) but right decision made.
I'm sure he'll come back to haunt us too 🙂
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Post by knype on Dec 6, 2022 12:40:40 GMT
Thanks for the memories Eddie (and there were many good ones) but right decision made. I'm sure he'll come back to haunt us too 🙂 Rugby League bound or USA? |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 6, 2022 12:43:06 GMT
Can't say I follow the domestic game closely so what will Borthwick bring to the table? What's his style? Is he more 'Sam Allardyce' or 'Graham Potter'?
We don't want another Stuart Lancaster.
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Post by knype on Dec 6, 2022 12:45:43 GMT
Can't say I follow the domestic game closely so what will Borthwick bring to the table? What's his style? Is he more 'Sam Allardyce' or 'Graham Potter'? We don't want another Stuart Lancaster. To me he is an EJ clone, definitely a Big Sam |
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Post by deeside2 on Dec 6, 2022 12:57:34 GMT
Can't say I follow the domestic game closely so what will Borthwick bring to the table? What's his style? Is he more 'Sam Allardyce' or 'Graham Potter'? We don't want another Stuart Lancaster. I To me he is an EJ clone, definitely a Big Sam I agree, I'd have definitely tried to get Robertson instead. |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 6, 2022 12:59:15 GMT
To me he is an EJ clone, definitely a Big Sam I agree, I'd have definitely tried to get Robertson instead. Doesn't bode well. Change at the top needed. |
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Post by deeside2 on Dec 6, 2022 13:08:10 GMT
I agree, I'd have definitely tried to get Robertson instead. Doesn't bode well. Change at the top needed. Sounds familiar doesn't it ! |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 6, 2022 18:24:38 GMT
Right decision, but I'm not entirely convinced we have the players to win the WC whoever is in charge.
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