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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 18, 2022 11:06:41 GMT
I think we should have a rugby thread, like the cricket thread, for those who are interested enough to comment on the various comings and goings, results, triumphs and disasters in the egg-chasing world. I know there are a few separate threads, so easier to chuck it all in one.
I'll kick it off by saying how interesting it'd be if the World Cup were to be held this autumn, not 2023.
England winning a series in Australia, Ireland's incredible (and well-deserved) series win in NZ, Wales and Scotland doing ok versus their own southern hemisphere opponents would indicate that it'd be the most open World Cup for years.
France must be favourites and the southern hemisphere sides will probably sort themselves out a fair bit in the next 15 months, but bring it on! If not England next year, I'd quite happily cheer for Ireland, they've been a cracking side for some time.
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Post by noustie on Jul 18, 2022 11:12:34 GMT
I think we should have a rugby thread, like the cricket thread, for those who are interested enough to comment on the various comings and goings, results, triumphs and disasters in the egg-chasing world. I know there are a few separate threads, so easier to chuck it all in one. I'll kick it off by saying how interesting it'd be if the World Cup were to be held this autumn, not 2023. England winning a series in Australia, Ireland's incredible (and well-deserved) series win in NZ, Wales and Scotland doing ok versus their own southern hemisphere opponents would indicate that it'd be the most open World Cup for years. France must be favourites and the southern hemisphere sides will probably sort themselves out a fair bit in the next 15 months, but bring it on! If not England next year, I'd quite happily cheer for Ireland, they've been a cracking side for some time. Looking forward to the WC next year as does look wide open - Scotland didn't have Russell or Hogg so did orate and really should have seen it out on Saturday. Infuriating though as with 10 minutes to go there was just an inevitability we'd fuck it up. Kicking it out on the full with 5 minutes to go was criminal. We're usually absolutely crap on the road so wouldn't be surprised if Ireland and South Africa tonk us in the group stage though. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 18, 2022 11:18:21 GMT
I think we should have a rugby thread, like the cricket thread, for those who are interested enough to comment on the various comings and goings, results, triumphs and disasters in the egg-chasing world. I know there are a few separate threads, so easier to chuck it all in one. I'll kick it off by saying how interesting it'd be if the World Cup were to be held this autumn, not 2023. England winning a series in Australia, Ireland's incredible (and well-deserved) series win in NZ, Wales and Scotland doing ok versus their own southern hemisphere opponents would indicate that it'd be the most open World Cup for years. France must be favourites and the southern hemisphere sides will probably sort themselves out a fair bit in the next 15 months, but bring it on! If not England next year, I'd quite happily cheer for Ireland, they've been a cracking side for some time. Looking forward to the WC next year as does look wide open - Scotland didn't have Russell or Hogg so did orate and really should have seen it out on Saturday. Infuriating though as with 10 minutes to go there was just an inevitability we'd fuck it up. Kicking it out on the full with 5 minutes to go was criminal. We're usually absolutely crap on the road so wouldn't be surprised if Ireland and South Africa tonk us in the group stage though. Scotland did chuck it away, it's true. As the old cliche goes, that's the difference between good sides and the also-rans (no offence), the good ones find a way to make sure they get over the line. Going back to the WC, I hope Japan continue to play their open, flowing style of rugby in France, it was one of the best things from 2019. Think it'll be different for them away from home tbh though. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 18, 2022 11:32:38 GMT
I think about two Saturday's back England won in Australia, Ireland won in New Zealand & Wales won in South Africa, can't be too many times that's happened before (If any!)... Even Scotland managed to win in Argentina!
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Post by deeside2 on Jul 18, 2022 11:41:30 GMT
I can't really see anything other than the top two seeded teams in each group making it through, so that's
Pool A - NZ, France
Pool B - SA, Ireland
Pool C - Wales, Aus
Pool D - England, Japan
So the Q-F's should (could) be
QF1 Wales v Japan
QF2 SA v France (maybe)
QF3 England v Aus (old rivals - Aus smarting after recent series defeat ?)
QF4 NZ v Ireland (tasty - NZ out for revenge ?)
Difficult to predict the outcomes but S-F's are
SF1 winners of
QF1 v QF2
QF3 v QF4
Really looking forward to it although some of the pool matches are fairly pointless, sych as Samoa v Chile, Uruguay v Namibia etc.
Just hope Eddie has sorted things out so that England can make a serious attempt, although France look good, NZ are well, NZ, and SA will be really difficult to beat.
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Post by noustie on Jul 18, 2022 11:48:13 GMT
Looking forward to the WC next year as does look wide open - Scotland didn't have Russell or Hogg so did orate and really should have seen it out on Saturday. Infuriating though as with 10 minutes to go there was just an inevitability we'd fuck it up. Kicking it out on the full with 5 minutes to go was criminal. We're usually absolutely crap on the road so wouldn't be surprised if Ireland and South Africa tonk us in the group stage though. Scotland did chuck it away, it's true. As the old cliche goes, that's the difference between good sides and the also-rans (no offence), the good ones find a way to make sure they get over the line. Going back to the WC, I hope Japan continue to play their open, flowing style of rugby in France, it was one of the best things from 2019. Think it'll be different for them away from home tbh though. We've defo got a mentality problem as the number of time our arse melts particularly at team sports suggests it's more than just bad luck. |
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Post by flea79 on Jul 18, 2022 13:50:49 GMT
keep it as long as the thread is renamed Tarquins Men In Dirt Chasing an Egg Thread!
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 18, 2022 14:23:24 GMT
I think we should have a rugby thread, like the cricket thread, for those who are interested enough to comment on the various comings and goings, results, triumphs and disasters in the egg-chasing world. I know there are a few separate threads, so easier to chuck it all in one. I'll kick it off by saying how interesting it'd be if the World Cup were to be held this autumn, not 2023. England winning a series in Australia, Ireland's incredible (and well-deserved) series win in NZ, Wales and Scotland doing ok versus their own southern hemisphere opponents would indicate that it'd be the most open World Cup for years. France must be favourites and the southern hemisphere sides will probably sort themselves out a fair bit in the next 15 months, but bring it on! If not England next year, I'd quite happily cheer for Ireland, they've been a cracking side for some time. There is a Rugby World Cup this autumn. However it's obviously not the one that appeals to your elitist, upper class, public school, wax jacketed BBQ out of the back of a Range Rover sensibilities.😉 |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 18, 2022 14:30:52 GMT
My only concern for Ireland would be if they’re peaking a year early again.
France have been impressive over the last 12 months, really toughened up but still having that flair.
I think Jones is pretty close to where he wants to be autumn internationals to blood the youngsters again predominantly in the backs (JVP, Porter, Arundell with a couple of starts and I’d include Steward & Smith). We didn’t miss Itoje at the weekend and despite his brilliance I think he needs to adapt his game slightly as he’s been giving away a lot more penalties than he did before but we’ve got a strong front pack to choose from.
It’s lining up to be special and the six nations next year should be very competitive.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 18, 2022 14:35:13 GMT
The positive from the 2 most recent England wins in Australia were the young players who made a big impact as I think we've struggled for them to break through in the recent seasons. I was really impressed with Van Poortvliet at 9 and also Freeman on the wing. Other players like Hill and Genge have grown massively into the starting 15 as well.
I think you could make a genuine case for half a dozen sides to win the World Cup next year as it stands but there's a lot of Rugby to be played before we get there.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 18, 2022 14:48:46 GMT
I think we should have a rugby thread, like the cricket thread, for those who are interested enough to comment on the various comings and goings, results, triumphs and disasters in the egg-chasing world. I know there are a few separate threads, so easier to chuck it all in one. I'll kick it off by saying how interesting it'd be if the World Cup were to be held this autumn, not 2023. England winning a series in Australia, Ireland's incredible (and well-deserved) series win in NZ, Wales and Scotland doing ok versus their own southern hemisphere opponents would indicate that it'd be the most open World Cup for years. France must be favourites and the southern hemisphere sides will probably sort themselves out a fair bit in the next 15 months, but bring it on! If not England next year, I'd quite happily cheer for Ireland, they've been a cracking side for some time. There is a Rugby World Cup this autumn. However it's obviously not the one that appeals to your elitist, upper class, public school, wax jacketed BBQ out of the back of a Range Rover sensibilities.😉 Touche! League is just as welcome in this broad church! Even if there are really only three (two?) teams capable of winning their WC. |
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Post by franklin on Jul 18, 2022 15:09:00 GMT
England will win the World Cup nailed my colours to the mast.
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Post by deeside2 on Jul 18, 2022 15:34:03 GMT
Does anyone on here follow club rugby or only international rugby ?
I'm a Sale Sharks fan and manage to go to a few home games each season. Obviously not as good a view as on t.v. but I really enjoy it.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 18, 2022 15:42:10 GMT
Does anyone on here follow club rugby or only international rugby ? I'm a Sale Sharks fan and manage to go to a few home games each season. Obviously not as good a view as on t.v. but I really enjoy it. I watch quite a bit on BT but can't say I follow a side, I still enjoy watching though. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 18, 2022 16:55:40 GMT
What’s the crack with all the mullets?
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 18, 2022 17:47:09 GMT
Does anyone on here follow club rugby or only international rugby ? I'm a Sale Sharks fan and manage to go to a few home games each season. Obviously not as good a view as on t.v. but I really enjoy it. Castleford Tigers for me. Oh hang on, wrong rugby. Prefer league to union. |
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Post by deeside2 on Jul 18, 2022 19:36:46 GMT
Does anyone on here follow club rugby or only international rugby ? I'm a Sale Sharks fan and manage to go to a few home games each season. Obviously not as good a view as on t.v. but I really enjoy it. Castleford Tigers for me. Oh hang on, wrong rugby. Prefer league to union. Strange isn't it - I really tried a few times to watch league but it just doesn't do anything for me. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jul 18, 2022 19:44:28 GMT
I think we should have a rugby thread, like the cricket thread, for those who are interested enough to comment on the various comings and goings, results, triumphs and disasters in the egg-chasing world. I know there are a few separate threads, so easier to chuck it all in one. I'll kick it off by saying how interesting it'd be if the World Cup were to be held this autumn, not 2023. England winning a series in Australia, Ireland's incredible (and well-deserved) series win in NZ, Wales and Scotland doing ok versus their own southern hemisphere opponents would indicate that it'd be the most open World Cup for years. France must be favourites and the southern hemisphere sides will probably sort themselves out a fair bit in the next 15 months, but bring it on! If not England next year, I'd quite happily cheer for Ireland, they've been a cracking side for some time. There is a Rugby World Cup this autumn. However it's obviously not the one that appeals to your elitist, upper class, public school, wax jacketed BBQ out of the back of a Range Rover sensibilities.😉 Proper Rugby. None of this faffing about twatting it every other possession, grown men taking minutes to set up for a cuddle that lasts for all of 5 seconds, or fanny-arsing about throwing it in from the side to some Old Etonian being held up by Henry from Ampleforth College. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 18, 2022 20:35:07 GMT
The positive from the 2 most recent England wins in Australia were the young players who made a big impact as I think we've struggled for them to break through in the recent seasons. I was really impressed with Van Poortvliet at 9 and also Freeman on the wing. Other players like Hill and Genge have grown massively into the starting 15 as well. I think you could make a genuine case for half a dozen sides to win the World Cup next year as it stands but there's a lot of Rugby to be played before we get there. I agree about Genge although he does also worry me a bit in that I suspect he may have a sending off in him, especially in this new era of shoulder and head contact being a straight red in many cases. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 18, 2022 20:42:56 GMT
The positive from the 2 most recent England wins in Australia were the young players who made a big impact as I think we've struggled for them to break through in the recent seasons. I was really impressed with Van Poortvliet at 9 and also Freeman on the wing. Other players like Hill and Genge have grown massively into the starting 15 as well. I think you could make a genuine case for half a dozen sides to win the World Cup next year as it stands but there's a lot of Rugby to be played before we get there. I agree about Genge although he does also worry me a bit in that I suspect he may have a sending off in him, especially in this new era of shoulder and head contact being a straight red in many cases. True but I think anyone can get a red in this day and age when it comes to head contact. His bulldozing run in the last test was absolutely amazing to watch. I'll also give credit to Billy Vunipola. He deserved to be dropped about 18 months before he actually was but he was back to his best as well. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 19, 2022 8:13:14 GMT
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 19, 2022 8:18:04 GMT
There is a Rugby World Cup this autumn. However it's obviously not the one that appeals to your elitist, upper class, public school, wax jacketed BBQ out of the back of a Range Rover sensibilities.😉 Proper Rugby. None of this faffing about twatting it every other possession, grown men taking minutes to set up for a cuddle that lasts for all of 5 seconds, or fanny-arsing about throwing it in from the side to some Old Etonian being held up by Henry from Ampleforth College. Red Wall Rugby😉 |
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Post by thevoid on Jul 19, 2022 11:20:59 GMT
Ireland have amazingly never won a knock out game at the WC. If they don't next year they never will!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 19, 2022 15:20:33 GMT
Ireland have amazingly never won a knock out game at the WC. If they don't next year they never will! Your favourite head coach is being lined up to take over Australia after the WC, according to today's DT...  |
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Post by deeside2 on Jul 19, 2022 15:29:56 GMT
I wouldn't be too bothered when Eddie leaves. As with Stoke and MON, the worry is who would the replacement be.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 19, 2022 16:37:55 GMT
Ireland have amazingly never won a knock out game at the WC. If they don't next year they never will! Your favourite head coach is being lined up to take over Australia after the WC, according to today's DT... So I see. It might pacify some of these guys 😀 www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/62203635.ampTime to bring Farrell and Edwards home after the WC- shame the suits in charge probably won't look past their RL CVs 🙄 |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 19, 2022 20:15:07 GMT
Your favourite head coach is being lined up to take over Australia after the WC, according to today's DT... So I see. It might pacify some of these guys 😀 www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/62203635.ampTime to bring Farrell and Edwards home after the WC- shame the suits in charge probably won't look past their RL CVs 🙄 Edwards definitely. By far the best defensive coach out there. Transformed Wales and now France. How much more convincing does the RFU need? You're probably right - any further overlooking would just confirm the RL snobbery. Not sure who I'd have as main/attack coach though? |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 20, 2022 11:28:44 GMT
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Jul 20, 2022 11:50:44 GMT
Glad to see some folk waving the flag for the 13 man game on this thread. As someone who used to not give a stuff about either code, thanks to living in Warrington for more years than I'd care to mention, I've had chance to observe both versions at all levels*. One thing that's often intrigued me is a perceived ignorance/snobbery from some Stoke supporters towards League - given that S-o-T is supposedly a gritty, down to earth, working class "Northern" area, it ticks all the boxes for what constitutes a rugby league town. Having said that, I have no idea to what level rugby was played in the area in 1895 and if there were any moves by local clubs to split and join the "Northern Union" as it was then.
* There often isn't the animosity/snobbery you'd expect.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 9, 2022 17:17:46 GMT
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