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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 14, 2022 13:53:37 GMT
Might be useful to look at the stats i.e. facts? They have been posted on this thread if you care to read, or google. I’m not a stats man I judge with my eyes. Does it tell you in the stats how when he’s had bad games or how many flicks haven’t come off. I bet not So what are your criteria for players in his position who are 'good' and who in the division does it better than him? There isn't a player in the world whose attempted flicks and tricks come off 100% of the time. He's actually been remarkably consistent for us when he's played in terms of his contribution.
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Post by sticky on Apr 14, 2022 17:12:39 GMT
Can’t believe anybody would want Powell to go, he’s a class player! Yeh 5 games a season 😂🤦🏻♂️
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Post by leicspotter on Apr 14, 2022 17:12:54 GMT
Joe Allen - only keep on reduced terms. My guess he will go anyway Steven Fletcher - as above unless / until we sign a replacement Tommy Smith - I'd give him another 12 months if the money isn't an issue James Chester - off to the rest home asap Phil Jagielka - another 12 months to help Souttar get back up to speed Mario Vrancic - if we get Sawyers he can go, otherwise I'd keep him another season Nick Powell - 2 more years at least for our best player How can Powell be our best player he hardly plays. Ignore the facts then if you like. 42 games last season, this season severely hampered by a broken leg...his own fault for being on the pitch I suppose?
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 14, 2022 17:21:10 GMT
Joe Allen - only keep on reduced terms. My guess he will go anyway Steven Fletcher - as above unless / until we sign a replacement Tommy Smith - I'd give him another 12 months if the money isn't an issue James Chester - off to the rest home asap Phil Jagielka - another 12 months to help Souttar get back up to speed Mario Vrancic - if we get Sawyers he can go, otherwise I'd keep him another season Nick Powell - 2 more years at least for our best player The only one I disagree with there is Vrancic. It looks like he's struggled after his injury and without him necessarily being first choice, I'd like to see him next season.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 14, 2022 17:23:25 GMT
In what sense? Who else on the books has had the same impact as him since he's been here? He just is always unavailable with one knock or another. Plays a fleeting great game and is then sidelined. Frustrating. On the day he is currently our best player, it's just these days are few and far between. Oh and we've won 3/4 without him. That's a luxury. I wonder if some folk on this forum have the memory of a goldfish. Powell has injuries for one season, and apparently he's never available. He hadn't missed many matches at all through injury for 4-5 years previously (including his time at Wigan).
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 14, 2022 17:48:14 GMT
He just is always unavailable with one knock or another. Plays a fleeting great game and is then sidelined. Frustrating. On the day he is currently our best player, it's just these days are few and far between. Oh and we've won 3/4 without him. That's a luxury. I wonder if some folk on this forum have the memory of a goldfish. Powell has injuries for one season, and apparently he's never available. He hadn't missed many matches at all through injury for 4-5 years previously (including his time at Wigan). I have to agree and sometimes I just wonder...what is the point of facts when people just choose to ignore them, or make their own up! That seems to be the world we are living in right now. Anyway, I'll persevere though I don't think it will make much difference. Happy to be fact-checked According to the records. If there are more please do add. Powell is 28 These are the injuries Powell has had in his career Jan 2015 : 9 months Hamstring Jan 2017 : 3 months Hamstring 21-22 : 8 weeks : Fibula. 6 weeks quad muscle injury Is this above average? Apart form this he has hardly missed a game when available.
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 14, 2022 19:10:08 GMT
I’m not a stats man I judge with my eyes. Does it tell you in the stats how when he’s had bad games or how many flicks haven’t come off. I bet not So what are your criteria for players in his position who are 'good' and who in the division does it better than him? There isn't a player in the world whose attempted flicks and tricks come off 100% of the time. He's actually been remarkably consistent for us when he's played in terms of his contribution. I’ve got to disagree. Now granted I’ve not seen every game. I do accept that every player isn’t going to play well every game. Don’t get me wrong I see him as a decent player but not outstanding like you and a few others on here think. I look for consistency and I don’t think Powell is. Has he scored some important goals and created goals yes but not on a regular basis for me. Yes he was unfortunate with his fractured leg. What I’m saying is would have him in my team yes but best thing since sliced bread no.
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Post by lordb on Apr 14, 2022 20:30:00 GMT
So what are your criteria for players in his position who are 'good' and who in the division does it better than him? There isn't a player in the world whose attempted flicks and tricks come off 100% of the time. He's actually been remarkably consistent for us when he's played in terms of his contribution. I’ve got to disagree. Now granted I’ve not seen every game. I do accept that every player isn’t going to play well every game. Don’t get me wrong I see him as a decent player but not outstanding like you and a few others on here think. I look for consistency and I don’t think Powell is. Has he scored some important goals and created goals yes but not on a regular basis for me. Yes he was unfortunate with his fractured leg. What I’m saying is would have him in my team yes but best thing since sliced bread no. He's been a regular scorer for Stoke Sliced bread is overrated, anyone can slice bread, don't see many players in this division play as well as he does He can be sloppy with his passing which is why he isn't in the Premier League but he's an absolute star for us.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 14, 2022 20:41:33 GMT
So what are your criteria for players in his position who are 'good' and who in the division does it better than him? There isn't a player in the world whose attempted flicks and tricks come off 100% of the time. He's actually been remarkably consistent for us when he's played in terms of his contribution. I’ve got to disagree. Now granted I’ve not seen every game. I do accept that every player isn’t going to play well every game. Don’t get me wrong I see him as a decent player but not outstanding like you and a few others on here think. I look for consistency and I don’t think Powell is. Has he scored some important goals and created goals yes but not on a regular basis for me. Yes he was unfortunate with his fractured leg. What I’m saying is would have him in my team yes but best thing since sliced bread no. Powell is almost up there with Fuller for me. Fuller wasn't 'consistent' either. They both inspire the team when they're on the pitch, and Powell offers a lot more than Fuller did outside of goals and creativity. And that's not at all meant as a slight on Fuller, who is my favourite Stoke player ever. That's who Ricardo Fuller was, and he probably wouldn't have been the player he was for us without that (or without Mama Sidibe). What did/do you think of Arnautovic out of interest? He had one great half (maybe two thirds) of a season for us, and then he left for West Ham. He was massively inconsistent before that, but that didn't mean I didn't rate him.
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 14, 2022 20:55:00 GMT
I’ve got to disagree. Now granted I’ve not seen every game. I do accept that every player isn’t going to play well every game. Don’t get me wrong I see him as a decent player but not outstanding like you and a few others on here think. I look for consistency and I don’t think Powell is. Has he scored some important goals and created goals yes but not on a regular basis for me. Yes he was unfortunate with his fractured leg. What I’m saying is would have him in my team yes but best thing since sliced bread no. Powell is almost up there with Fuller for me. Fuller wasn't 'consistent' either. They both inspire the team when they're on the pitch, and Powell offers a lot more than Fuller did outside of goals and creativity. And that's not at all meant as a slight on Fuller, who is my favourite Stoke player ever. That's who Ricardo Fuller was, and he probably wouldn't have been the player he was for us without that (or without Mama Sidibe). What did/do you think of Arnautovic out of interest? He had one great half (maybe two thirds) of a season for us, and then he left for West Ham. He was massively inconsistent before that, but that didn't mean I didn't rate him. Yeh I can see why you say Powell is similar to fuller. I love ric he is a Stoke legend but he didn’t do it all the time but when he did he was unplayable. Me personally I’ve got nothing against Powell and I do like his shithouseary and he can be a match winner but couldn’t lace fullers boots in my eyes. Arnautovic again can see the same attitude in Powell can be bothered some games others can’t. It annoyed me when arnie left for West Ham and was more consistent for them. I do though in my opinion think arnie is the best player I’ve seen in a Stoke shirt. If he had a decent attitude he could have played in top four team. Now can’t believe he was a Stoke player to where we are now
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Post by jaybee on Apr 14, 2022 20:56:08 GMT
Do you know this for a fact? And do you know his family have already moved or are you just repeating the rumour. Do you use Facebook? I know that Mrs Allen has moved back to S Wales with their son
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 14, 2022 20:58:36 GMT
I’ve got to disagree. Now granted I’ve not seen every game. I do accept that every player isn’t going to play well every game. Don’t get me wrong I see him as a decent player but not outstanding like you and a few others on here think. I look for consistency and I don’t think Powell is. Has he scored some important goals and created goals yes but not on a regular basis for me. Yes he was unfortunate with his fractured leg. What I’m saying is would have him in my team yes but best thing since sliced bread no. He's been a regular scorer for Stoke Sliced bread is overrated, anyone can slice bread, don't see many players in this division play as well as he does He can be sloppy with his passing which is why he isn't in the Premier League but he's an absolute star for us. Yeh but can you slice it straight 😬 I don’t take much notice of other teams but am sure they don’t all play with a number 10 so there may not be many to compare to. Also don’t see many teams wanting to sign him
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 14, 2022 21:00:14 GMT
Powell is almost up there with Fuller for me. Fuller wasn't 'consistent' either. They both inspire the team when they're on the pitch, and Powell offers a lot more than Fuller did outside of goals and creativity. And that's not at all meant as a slight on Fuller, who is my favourite Stoke player ever. That's who Ricardo Fuller was, and he probably wouldn't have been the player he was for us without that (or without Mama Sidibe). What did/do you think of Arnautovic out of interest? He had one great half (maybe two thirds) of a season for us, and then he left for West Ham. He was massively inconsistent before that, but that didn't mean I didn't rate him. Yeh I can see why you say Powell is similar to fuller. I love ric he is a Stoke legend but he didn’t do it all the time but when he did he was unplayable. Me personally I’ve got nothing against Powell and I do like his shithouseary and he can be a match winner but couldn’t lace fullers boots in my eyes. Arnautovic again can see the same attitude in Powell can be bothered some games others can’t. It annoyed me when arnie left for West Ham and was more consistent for them. I do though in my opinion think arnie is the best player I’ve seen in a Stoke shirt. If he had a decent attitude he could have played in top four team. Now can’t believe he was a Stoke player to where we are now I don't see where the 'Powell can't be bothered sometimes' comments come from. Sometimes whatever he tries just doesn't come off - it doesn't mean he isn't trying. Also he wasn't anywhere near as fit as he can be for that brief spell after his initial injury this season.
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 14, 2022 21:01:13 GMT
How can Powell be our best player he hardly plays. Ignore the facts then if you like. 42 games last season, this season severely hampered by a broken leg...his own fault for being on the pitch I suppose? Like I said to someone else I don’t look at stats not facts. So in your opinion is powelll better than baker?
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Post by lordb on Apr 14, 2022 21:05:13 GMT
Ignore the facts then if you like. 42 games last season, this season severely hampered by a broken leg...his own fault for being on the pitch I suppose? Like I said to someone else I don’t look at stats not facts. So in your opinion is powelll better than baker? Want them both in the same team as often as possible
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 14, 2022 21:09:39 GMT
Like I said to someone else I don’t look at stats not facts. So in your opinion is powelll better than baker? Want them both in the same team as often as possible Would agree with that
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Post by lordb on Apr 14, 2022 21:11:06 GMT
Want them both in the same team as often as possible Would agree with that Could be a lot of goals from midfield next season
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 14, 2022 21:14:43 GMT
Could be a lot of goals from midfield next season Let’s hope so. Baker is really making a impact and scoring good goals regularly Hopefully get a decent striker next season and you would think there would be a few goals in the team 🤞
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Post by lordb on Apr 14, 2022 21:15:45 GMT
Could be a lot of goals from midfield next season Let’s hope so. Baker is really making a impact and scoring good goals regularly Hopefully get a decent striker next season and you would think there would be a few goals in the team 🤞 We so rarely have a reliable goal scorer at Stoke. bloody due one
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 14, 2022 21:18:22 GMT
Let’s hope so. Baker is really making a impact and scoring good goals regularly Hopefully get a decent striker next season and you would think there would be a few goals in the team 🤞 We so rarely have a reliable goal scorer at Stoke. bloody due one Too right. Would love a Steino for next season. Please
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Post by lordb on Apr 14, 2022 21:20:43 GMT
We so rarely have a reliable goal scorer at Stoke. bloody due one Too right. Would love a Steino for next season. Please In all seriousness if we had a Stein we would be second, makes that much of a difference
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 14, 2022 22:56:04 GMT
Joe Allen - only keep on reduced terms. My guess he will go anyway Steven Fletcher - as above unless / until we sign a replacement Tommy Smith - I'd give him another 12 months if the money isn't an issue James Chester - off to the rest home asap Phil Jagielka - another 12 months to help Souttar get back up to speed Mario Vrancic - if we get Sawyers he can go, otherwise I'd keep him another season Nick Powell - 2 more years at least for our best player I've just watched Masterchef. the above is a recipe for another mid table finish.
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Post by Sfance on Apr 14, 2022 23:07:47 GMT
I wonder if some folk on this forum have the memory of a goldfish. Powell has injuries for one season, and apparently he's never available. He hadn't missed many matches at all through injury for 4-5 years previously (including his time at Wigan). I have to agree and sometimes I just wonder...what is the point of facts when people just choose to ignore them, or make their own up! That seems to be the world we are living in right now. Anyway, I'll persevere though I don't think it will make much difference. Happy to be fact-checked According to the records. If there are more please do add. Powell is 28 These are the injuries Powell has had in his career Jan 2015 : 9 months Hamstring Jan 2017 : 3 months Hamstring 21-22 : 8 weeks : Fibula. 6 weeks quad muscle injury Is this above average? Apart form this he has hardly missed a game when available. Yes, wonder indeed . . . and what about wondering about all the games when Powell has played where he's been nothing more than a show pony?
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 15, 2022 6:49:07 GMT
Too right. Would love a Steino for next season. Please In all seriousness if we had a Stein we would be second, makes that much of a difference When you think of some of the chances we have missed yeh your right
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2022 8:50:13 GMT
Powell is one of the best players in this division.
He’s about the only current player we own who is good for the PL.
He has to be given a new deal.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 15, 2022 8:58:11 GMT
Powell is one of the best players in this division. He’s about the only current player we own who is good for the PL. He has to be given a new deal. I agree about Powell, but I think both Baker and Souttar would do well for a midtable PL team as well.
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Post by leicspotter on Apr 15, 2022 9:00:22 GMT
Ignore the facts then if you like. 42 games last season, this season severely hampered by a broken leg...his own fault for being on the pitch I suppose? Like I said to someone else I don’t look at stats not facts. ? So in your opinion is powelll better than baker?In their respective positions, yes. Overall I think both Powell and Baker will be vital to our hopes for next season, and having them both in the side, on a regular basis, will see us competing at the top end of the table. BTW stats, facts or simply the truth, Powell misses far fewer games than people on here imagine
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Post by leicspotter on Apr 15, 2022 9:02:02 GMT
Joe Allen - only keep on reduced terms. My guess he will go anyway Steven Fletcher - as above unless / until we sign a replacement Tommy Smith - I'd give him another 12 months if the money isn't an issue James Chester - off to the rest home asap Phil Jagielka - another 12 months to help Souttar get back up to speed Mario Vrancic - if we get Sawyers he can go, otherwise I'd keep him another season Nick Powell - 2 more years at least for our best player I've just watched Masterchef. the above is a recipe for another mid table finish. Is that where they cook up all that fancy shit that no-one can eat/afford? I prefer Steak and Chips mesen
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2022 9:03:38 GMT
Powell is one of the best players in this division. He’s about the only current player we own who is good for the PL. He has to be given a new deal. I agree about Powell, but I think both Baker and Souttar would do well for a midtable PL team as well. You know my thoughts on Souttar. Possibly but I don’t think it’s the given that a lot of people do. Baker again, he’s been good but I want to see more influence for 90 minutes. His first month was exceptional and then as usual he’s dropped off from there. Still been better than anyone else for us in that time yes. Again he could be and it’s really not hard to imagine thriving for someone like Palace. But again I’m not as sure of it as I would be with Powell at this time.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 15, 2022 9:18:11 GMT
Powell is almost up there with Fuller for me. Fuller wasn't 'consistent' either. They both inspire the team when they're on the pitch, and Powell offers a lot more than Fuller did outside of goals and creativity. And that's not at all meant as a slight on Fuller, who is my favourite Stoke player ever. That's who Ricardo Fuller was, and he probably wouldn't have been the player he was for us without that (or without Mama Sidibe). What did/do you think of Arnautovic out of interest? He had one great half (maybe two thirds) of a season for us, and then he left for West Ham. He was massively inconsistent before that, but that didn't mean I didn't rate him. Yeh I can see why you say Powell is similar to fuller. I love ric he is a Stoke legend but he didn’t do it all the time but when he did he was unplayable. Me personally I’ve got nothing against Powell and I do like his shithouseary and he can be a match winner but couldn’t lace fullers boots in my eyes. Arnautovic again can see the same attitude in Powell can be bothered some games others can’t. It annoyed me when arnie left for West Ham and was more consistent for them. I do though in my opinion think arnie is the best player I’ve seen in a Stoke shirt. If he had a decent attitude he could have played in top four team. Now can’t believe he was a Stoke player to where we are now Arnie is without doubt the best player I've seen in a Stoke shirt. Outrageous skill, physicality, football inteligence just an unbelieveable package of attributes a footballing Ronnie O'Sullivan without quite the same level of achievement.
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