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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 13, 2022 17:28:09 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 13, 2022 17:35:32 GMT
Chester and Fletcher can go, think they will too Powell is a must keep there's a case for the other 5
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Post by leicspotter on Apr 13, 2022 17:37:53 GMT
Joe Allen - only keep on reduced terms. My guess he will go anyway Steven Fletcher - as above unless / until we sign a replacement Tommy Smith - I'd give him another 12 months if the money isn't an issue James Chester - off to the rest home asap Phil Jagielka - another 12 months to help Souttar get back up to speed Mario Vrancic - if we get Sawyers he can go, otherwise I'd keep him another season Nick Powell - 2 more years at least for our best player
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 13, 2022 17:39:44 GMT
For me Allen, Chester and Fletcher to go. Possibly Smith, Jagielka and Vrancic for a year. Powell for 2 years.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 13, 2022 17:47:58 GMT
Keep Powell, move the rest on.
Time for a new era.........
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 13, 2022 17:49:11 GMT
They can all go bar Powell who we should move heaven and earth to keep.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2022 17:50:08 GMT
Extending Powell should be a no brainer but can we afford him on his current wage?
I would offer Jagielka another year, think he's been very good but will his legs last another season?
The rest thanks but bye!
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 13, 2022 17:54:06 GMT
I'd be surprised if anyone bar Powell and Jagielka stayed.
Jags looks very much worth a gamble of an extra year.
Smith seems low maintenance, and you could make some kind of case on what would obviously be severely reduced wages if we're regularly going to play a back three. But MON clearly doesn't fancy him at all in a 4. All in all, it'd be a surprise if he stayed
I'd be slightly surprised if we offered Vrancic anything, and the others are no-brainers to go. Fletcher's been a good signing, but this is the time to say goodbye.
Even with Powell, just using our option of extending for 12 months on his high wages would be a bit of a sticking plaster if we can't have a compromise on anything longer with a new deal
Injuries haven't been a major issue in between the one he got shortly after he came and his injury-riddled campaign this year, but even that would maybe have raised questions given his wage will probably be very much out of whack with the rest of the squad next season.
But you'd probably have to do it and trigger the extra 12 months on the big, Bosman contract he signed pre-Covid. What happens this time next year is then anybody's guess, depending on how he does next year
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Post by stokesupporter on Apr 13, 2022 18:01:34 GMT
Chester and Fletcher should be let go. I cannot see them playing much next season even if they'd stay. Both can still do the job in a lower divisions but as Championship players they are starting to be past it and they don't get any younger.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2022 18:11:35 GMT
I'd be surprised if anyone bar Powell and Jagielka stayed. Jags looks very much worth a gamble of an extra year. Smith seems low maintenance, and you could make some kind of case on what would obviously be severely reduced wages if we're regularly going to play a back three. But MON clearly doesn't fancy him at all in a 4. All in all, it'd be a surprise if he stayed I'd be slightly surprised if we offered Vrancic anything, and the others are no-brainers to go. Fletcher's been a good signing, but this is the time to say goodbye. Even with Powell, just using our option of extending for 12 months on his high wages would be a bit of a sticking plaster if we can't have a compromise on anything longer with a new deal Injuries haven't been a major issue in between the one he got shortly after he came and his injury-riddled campaign this year, but even that would maybe have raised questions given his wage will probably be very much out of whack with the rest of the squad next season. But you'd probably have to do it and trigger the extra 12 months on the big, Bosman contract he signed pre-Covid. What happens this time next year is then anybody's guess, depending on how he does next year This assessment is bang on the money for me 👍
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 13, 2022 18:15:17 GMT
I'd be tempted to say get rid of the lot, depnding on what the plans are going forward. If the plan is to play a 4231 and build the side around a number ten, then keep Powell and bring in a back up. If the plan is to move to a back three or play a 4-3-3 then i'd move Powell on, and I like Powell...a LOT.
The issue is he doesn't really fit anywhere other than behind a striker and the current manager seems quite cool on that system, often starting the season with something else and switching to 4231 sparingly - which often means Powell is asked to do a job either out wide, up front or more often in midfield which just isn't his game, and as well as he's done there (to his ultimate credit given he's supposedly a mardy flair player that doesn't put it in...) I think it makes the team look awkward.
Given the money he is on it might be better spent on a specialist player that the manager needs in a system he trusts more than the 4231.
Jagielka has done well and he might stay but i'd be tempted to clear the decks and start again - build a side from pretty much the ground up and invest what money we have in as many 24-28 year olds as possible - and supplement them with loans from the PL as we have done thus far, but ultimately bringing down the age gap between the youngest and the oldest.
Allen I think he may try to keep to satisfy his inlking for an experienced player if they can agree terms but think that ship may have already sailed.
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Post by jokker on Apr 13, 2022 18:18:14 GMT
Allen has said in the Sentinel recently that he wants to live in Wales for the last years of his career, so no point in trying to hold on to him. No point even if hhe moved to North Wales anyway!
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Post by jokker on Apr 13, 2022 18:26:13 GMT
I'd be tempted to say get rid of the lot, depnding on what the plans are going forward. If the plan is to play a 4231 and build the side around a number ten, then keep Powell and bring in a back up. If the plan is to move to a back three or play a 4-3-3 then i'd move Powell on, and I like Powell...a LOT. The issue is he doesn't really fit anywhere other than behind a striker and the current manager seems quite cool on that system, often starting the season with something else and switching to 4231 sparingly - which often means Powell is asked to do a job either out wide, up front or more often in midfield which just isn't his game, and as well as he's done there (to his ultimate credit given he's supposedly a mardy flair player that doesn't put it in...) I think it makes the team look awkward. Given the money he is on it might be better spent on a specialist player that the manager needs in a system he trusts more than the 4231. Jagielka has done well and he might stay but i'd be tempted to clear the decks and start again - build a side from pretty much the ground up and invest what money we have in as many 24-28 year olds as possible - and supplement them with loans from the PL as we have done thus far, but ultimately bringing down the age gap between the youngest and the oldest. Allen I think he may try to keep to satisfy his inlking for an experienced player if they can agree terms but think that ship may have already sailed.
This is the second post in the thread which bring up Powell's wages. I don't understand why. His wages are lower than Smith's for instance. I think a major motivation for Nick to be a Stoke player is that he feels he has unfinished business here but also that the manager allows him freedom to play as he so chooses. He might earn more at another club but there would be more stricter demands on him, which he would hate. He's a free spirit. Unfortunately that sometimes is expressed by poor discipline, but mostly it allows him to be the player that makes Stoke tick.
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Post by a on Apr 13, 2022 18:27:49 GMT
Is it normal for this many players to be in the last months of a contract? Can’t recall it happening in recent years.
Be interesting to see what happens, could really make michaels job even harder
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Post by bolders on Apr 13, 2022 18:32:17 GMT
Joe Allen - Heard contradicting reports on him, one says he wants to finish his career here and his kids are happy in school the other is he wants to move back nearer to home. Id be tempted to give him a year on very reduced terms Steven Fletcher - Can go for me Tommy Smith - 1 year as back up if we cant find someone better James Chester - sent packing now Phil Jagielka - 1 year, as our 4th CB, maybe have him do some coaching Mario Vrancic - 1 year as Powell's understudy Nick Powell - Extend
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Sam Clucas - Let go on a free if someone will pay his wages. Just not happened for either of us except for the 2nd half of the lockdown season Romaine Sawyers - Only if we cant keep Powell THB - Thank you and good luck, oh can you put a good word in for us with Doyle Liam Moore - Not against him but no where near his £35K a week salery Josh Maja - Not seen enough glimpses to make it permanent Abdallah Sima - Send back its been crap for both sides JPB - Has something there so wouldnt be adverse to giving him another years loan Demeaco Duhaney - find him a new home Morgan Fox - id let him go on a free and find someone better or at least not injured all the time
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 13, 2022 18:36:45 GMT
I'd be tempted to say get rid of the lot, depnding on what the plans are going forward. If the plan is to play a 4231 and build the side around a number ten, then keep Powell and bring in a back up. If the plan is to move to a back three or play a 4-3-3 then i'd move Powell on, and I like Powell...a LOT.
The issue is he doesn't really fit anywhere other than behind a striker and the current manager seems quite cool on that system, often starting the season with something else and switching to 4231 sparingly - which often means Powell is asked to do a job either out wide, up front or more often in midfield which just isn't his game, and as well as he's done there (to his ultimate credit given he's supposedly a mardy flair player that doesn't put it in...) I think it makes the team look awkward.
Given the money he is on it might be better spent on a specialist player that the manager needs in a system he trusts more than the 4231.
Jagielka has done well and he might stay but i'd be tempted to clear the decks and start again - build a side from pretty much the ground up and invest what money we have in as many 24-28 year olds as possible - and supplement them with loans from the PL as we have done thus far, but ultimately bringing down the age gap between the youngest and the oldest.
Allen I think he may try to keep to satisfy his inlking for an experienced player if they can agree terms but think that ship may have already sailed.
He’s still delivered goals even when shunted out of position though and we just can’t afford to lose that without a bona fide alternative talisman. Given this management team’s transfer record can be politely described as ‘uneven’ and we already need 6-7 players, we’d be playing an incredibly dangerous game losing that regular source of goals and creativity.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 13, 2022 18:38:35 GMT
Powell, another 3 years on reduced terms. Not more than £15K per week! Allen, another two years on reduced terms. If he wants more than £15K per week we should look elsewhere! Could we keep Etebo? Smith? Let go! Vrancic, if we can keep Sawyers I'd let him go. If not another year's extension, but not more than £10k per week. Jags, I'd give him another year, but he has to know it will mainly be as a back up player. Fletch, sorry, but he needs to go. I'd rather go for a player able to play 35+ games. Fletch is 35 and injury prone, let go! Brown and Thompson? I'd try to tie them both down for another two years. Moore, Bellis and JPB? I'd let them all go. I would consider to keep Moore if we can't tie Jags up for another year. Maja? Let go! There must be other players better suited to this division than him for less money! We could just as well keep Afobe! I really hope we can offload both Clucas, Edwards and Fox permanently as I don't rate them at all! Chester, he must go now!? Can hardly remember a worse player getting so many games for us! GET RID!!!!!!
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 13, 2022 18:41:01 GMT
I think Powell will only go if a) he wants out and has got other options b) we cant afford to keep him on his current salary and he is demanding it.
I imagine he's holding out for other options and holding out to maintain his current salary at least (he might even think he's worth more?)
I'm not entirely convinced there are many teams who will pay his current wages, but I guess one would be enough.
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Post by Northy on Apr 13, 2022 18:44:23 GMT
Allen has said in the Sentinel recently that he wants to live in Wales for the last years of his career, so no point in trying to hold on to him. No point even if hhe moved to North Wales anyway! If Wrexham get promoted....
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 13, 2022 18:45:50 GMT
I'd be tempted to say get rid of the lot, depnding on what the plans are going forward. If the plan is to play a 4231 and build the side around a number ten, then keep Powell and bring in a back up. If the plan is to move to a back three or play a 4-3-3 then i'd move Powell on, and I like Powell...a LOT. The issue is he doesn't really fit anywhere other than behind a striker and the current manager seems quite cool on that system, often starting the season with something else and switching to 4231 sparingly - which often means Powell is asked to do a job either out wide, up front or more often in midfield which just isn't his game, and as well as he's done there (to his ultimate credit given he's supposedly a mardy flair player that doesn't put it in...) I think it makes the team look awkward. Given the money he is on it might be better spent on a specialist player that the manager needs in a system he trusts more than the 4231. Jagielka has done well and he might stay but i'd be tempted to clear the decks and start again - build a side from pretty much the ground up and invest what money we have in as many 24-28 year olds as possible - and supplement them with loans from the PL as we have done thus far, but ultimately bringing down the age gap between the youngest and the oldest. Allen I think he may try to keep to satisfy his inlking for an experienced player if they can agree terms but think that ship may have already sailed.
This is the second post in the thread which bring up Powell's wages. I don't understand why. His wages are lower than Smith's for instance. I think a major motivation for Nick to be a Stoke player is that he feels he has unfinished business here but also that the manager allows him freedom to play as he so chooses. He might earn more at another club but there would be more stricter demands on him, which he would hate. He's a free spirit. Unfortunately that sometimes is expressed by poor discipline, but mostly it allows him to be the player that makes Stoke tick. Because Smith is (probably) going and if he did stay, it'd be on much-reduced wages. And if we trigger the extension on Powell, he'll be on the same wages he's on now. Given the apparent competition for him that summer, and pre-Covid wage deflation, got to imagine it won't be that far off 20k. Nixon claimed he'd turned down 20k-a-week from Wigan, but take that with a pinch of salt. www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9114001/nick-powell-wigan-cotnract-stoke-wednesday-transfer/So he'd probably be the top earner (besides Afobe and Etebo who'll hopefully clear off anyway) and one of the top earners at any non-parachute Championship club. You'd think we'd do it, but how it'll resolve itself this time next year, especially if has a good season is anyone's guess. I know he's supposedly a Cheshire homebird, but would imagine there could be options for him.
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Post by klingon on Apr 13, 2022 18:57:43 GMT
Unfortunately, Powell has become a luxury we can no longer afford.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 13, 2022 19:11:38 GMT
Unfortunately, Powell has become a luxury we can no longer afford. In what sense? Who else on the books has had the same impact as him since he's been here?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 13, 2022 19:17:30 GMT
The most essential player to keep for me is Allen because of the partnership he’s formed with Baker.Will it happen I doubt it because I think he’s already made his mind up to go but if the club can agree terms with him I’d be delighted. Powell and Jagielka also for me but we’ll see
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Post by bolders on Apr 13, 2022 19:18:01 GMT
Do we think that DWP could become Powell's understudy? and play a more central position?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 13, 2022 19:18:56 GMT
Do we think that DWP could become Powell's understudy? and play a more central position? Not a chance for me mate,not physically strong enough and needs more consistency in his game
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 13, 2022 19:19:44 GMT
Powell keep.
The rest meh.
Allen to go. Signifies the end of an awful awful era.
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Post by bolders on Apr 13, 2022 19:22:00 GMT
Do we think that DWP could become Powell's understudy? and play a more central position? Not a chance for me mate,not physically strong enough and needs more consistency in his game You can bulk him up and build muscle on him. He is short has a low centre of gravity and can dance around players a messi type if coached properly. (Not saying he is anything like messi)
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 13, 2022 19:24:55 GMT
I wouldn't be against Allen staying for another 12 months if he was up for it and committed. He's probably got another good year left in him and he's played as well recently as he ever has for us.
But it is probably time for a change for both parties and it sounds very much like he wants to go, and there's pretty much a zero percent chance of him staying. His spell here has been an utterly joyless disaster from his point of view, and the feeling is probably largely mutual, although his bank balance looks good
It'll be interesting to see where he ends up. If it's Swansea, it certainly isn't for the money.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 13, 2022 20:04:54 GMT
Keep Powell and Jagielka and that’s it.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 13, 2022 20:07:39 GMT
Allen and Powell must keeps for me vranic no issue as a squad player , door opener or in tight games. And capable Stan in as s per Norwich , we made the mistake last year of debating exits , it’s unlikely we woild roulade any of these with better thats for sure
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