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Post by iglugluk on Apr 14, 2022 10:02:44 GMT
Allen and Powell must keeps for me vranic no issue as a squad player , door opener or in tight games. And capable Stan in as s per Norwich , we made the mistake last year of debating exits , it’s unlikely we woild roulade any of these with better thats for sure I can just about translate the rest of your post. But what on Earth does 'And capable Stan in as s per Norwich' mean?
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Post by chiprockets on Apr 14, 2022 10:05:11 GMT
Allen and Powell must keeps for me vranic no issue as a squad player , door opener or in tight games. And capable Stan in as s per Norwich , we made the mistake last year of debating exits , it’s unlikely we woild roulade any of these with better thats for sure I can just about translate the rest of your post. But what on Earth does 'And capable Stan in as s per Norwich' mean? as an experienced gravity crocodile translator: "and a capable stand in as per his role at Norwich"
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 14, 2022 10:06:22 GMT
I can just about translate the rest of your post. But what on Earth does 'And capable Stan in as s per Norwich' mean? as an experienced gravity crocodile translator: "and a capable stand in as per his role at Norwich" So what's the roulade then?
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 14, 2022 10:10:54 GMT
as an experienced gravity crocodile translator: "and a capable stand in as per his role at Norwich" So what's the roulade then? replace
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 14, 2022 10:12:44 GMT
I can just about translate the rest of your post. But what on Earth does 'And capable Stan in as s per Norwich' mean? as an experienced gravity crocodile translator: "and a capable stand in as per his role at Norwich" Ah yes.. that makes sense.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Apr 14, 2022 10:50:41 GMT
The thing is that Powell isn't earning as much as some people think. Nowhere near the £30k a week some are claiming. Gouranga.
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 14, 2022 10:51:19 GMT
A total clear out imo.
They are all either too old, or their careers coming to an end, or they are too expensive for the value they add to the team.
Powell is the most talented and Allen the best work horse but both squander huge amounts of possession.
We need to keep bringing on and in, young talent who are going to get better. Football is about teamwork and too many of our players are individualists on a different wavelength to the rest.
On Saturday we saw a rare glimpse of teamwork with Smith's free kicks, something that has happened very rarely.
We have a core of young talent in the squad that need adding to with more young talent, Soutter as captain, and Baker directing play. Bring in a quality defensive MF , a partner for Brown, and a genuine winger who can beat his man. But no more aging players, rejected by other clubs who are living on past reputations.
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Post by jokker on Apr 14, 2022 11:02:43 GMT
Who is?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 14, 2022 11:07:41 GMT
Didn't Powell play 39 games last season, a season he didn't have a broken leg or whatever?
Be mad not to get him signed up.
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Post by Sfance on Apr 14, 2022 11:09:17 GMT
What’s the good of keeping someone (Powell) who occasionally plays and who when he plays is occasionally better than most everyone else. Too many occasionallys for a team allegedly interested in promotion. Just a nonsense. 1 in 2 almost before he broke his leg, top scorer last season, a huge factor in us staying up the season before that. Some people like to live in the past.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 14, 2022 11:13:18 GMT
Didn't Powell play 39 games last season, a season he didn't have a broken leg or whatever? Be mad not to get him signed up. Yes he did. So he has a full season in him. He also played 90 games in 3 seasons for Wigan (including 1 injury for 3 months), so he's not a sick note, he just had 1 bad season for injuries. The problem isn't Nick Powell, the problem was that we relied on him too much. That's what needed/needs to be addressed. I'm very confident that MON will want to keep him unless there is something we don't know going on behind the scenes (which is always a possibility)
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 14, 2022 11:19:56 GMT
Just a nonsense. 1 in 2 almost before he broke his leg, top scorer last season, a huge factor in us staying up the season before that. Some people like to live in the past. Yes, all the way back in the mists of time that was September/October.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 14, 2022 11:26:40 GMT
I'm surprised nobody wants to keep Vrancic. I like him and we've been poorer when he's been injured. I'd love to see some statistics about his set pieces compared to others, too.
I'd keep Jagielka, Powell and Vrancic. The rest can go.
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Post by datguy on Apr 14, 2022 11:29:51 GMT
Powell definitely keep.
Smith should stay as well.
All the rest - not bothered. Which suggests they should go.
Maybe Jags on another year. But not a starter for me.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 14, 2022 11:34:25 GMT
I'm surprised nobody wants to keep Vrancic. I like him and we've been poorer when he's been injured. I'd love to see some statistics about his set pieces compared to others, too. I'd keep Jagielka, Powell and Vrancic. The rest can go. We have depended less on Vrancic's set pieces maybe because of Baker's introduction? Baker's free kicks are the best Ive seen at this club for some time, for crosses and hitting dangerous areas anyway.
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 14, 2022 11:50:53 GMT
Joe Allen - only keep on reduced terms. My guess he will go anyway Steven Fletcher - as above unless / until we sign a replacement Tommy Smith - I'd give him another 12 months if the money isn't an issue James Chester - off to the rest home asap Phil Jagielka - another 12 months to help Souttar get back up to speed Mario Vrancic - if we get Sawyers he can go, otherwise I'd keep him another season Nick Powell - 2 more years at least for our best player How can Powell be our best player he hardly plays.
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 14, 2022 11:53:15 GMT
They can all go bar Powell who we should move heaven and earth to keep. Why. He’s ok but hardly plays. Keep him yes but on our terms not his
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Post by jaybee on Apr 14, 2022 11:57:09 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 14, 2022 12:00:45 GMT
Can’t believe anybody would want Powell to go, he’s a class player! Yeh 5 games a season
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 14, 2022 12:10:09 GMT
His Mrs and kids have already moved to S Wales Where abouts? Mumbles? I think they're both originally from Narberth which is near Tenby in the far South West of Wales and I believe they still have a small holding there. Not sure if his Mrs and kids have moved although I did hear that rumour and not sure if that's where they're moving to if at all. It is pretty close to Swansea though (about half an hour) and I'd say Swansea is the only place he'd move to if he did.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Apr 14, 2022 12:11:45 GMT
Can’t believe anybody would want Powell to go, he’s a class player! Yeh 5 games a season That's the problem, isn't it. Throughout his career he has had repeated injury issues, which is a real shame for him (and us) but must be a factor in the manager's mind when considering contract offers.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 14, 2022 12:11:54 GMT
Do you know this for a fact? And do you know his family have already moved or are you just repeating the rumour.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 14, 2022 12:14:24 GMT
Can’t believe anybody would want Powell to go, he’s a class player! Yeh 5 games a season Might be useful to look at the stats i.e. facts? They have been posted on this thread if you care to read, or google.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 14, 2022 12:15:13 GMT
I wish we could release Allen with immediate effect.
Powell is a no brainer, Vrancic I think has faded after a class start so I wouldn’t be too upset if he was to leave.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 14, 2022 12:18:30 GMT
That's the problem, isn't it. Throughout his career he has had repeated injury issues, which is a real shame for him (and us) but must be a factor in the manager's mind when considering contract offers. Hi Malcolm, This doesn't seem to stand up though. Yes, it is true for this season but 39 games last season. He was dropped by Jones the season before but played nearly all games when MON came in 90 games in 3 seasons for Wigan (1 x 3 month injury in that 3 seasons otherwise always available) Before that he was at Man Utd where he had one season on loan and played nearly all the games he was available. He seems fragile but this is the only season where he has been in and out with injuries in his career! As stated before I think it is our dependence on him as the only creative which has been the problem.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 14, 2022 12:20:48 GMT
I wish we could release Allen with immediate effect. Powell is a no brainer, Vrancic I think has faded after a class start so I wouldn’t be too upset if he was to leave. We could release Allen with immediate effect. Just pay him up like we’ve done with quite a few others. We won’t do that as he will be used so we’re not paying him for nothing. Not that I’m for a moment suggesting he’s worth what we pay him.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Apr 14, 2022 12:22:48 GMT
That's the problem, isn't it. Throughout his career he has had repeated injury issues, which is a real shame for him (and us) but must be a factor in the manager's mind when considering contract offers. Hi Malcolm, This doesn't seem to stand up though. Yes, it is true for this season but 39 games last season. He was dropped by Jones the season before but played nearly all games when MON came in 90 games in 3 seasons for Wigan (1 x 3 month injury in that 3 seasons otherwise always available) Before that he was at Man Utd where he had one season on loan and played nearly all the games he was available. He seems fragile but this is the only season where he has been in and out with injuries in his career! As stated before I think it is our dependence on him as the only creative which has been the problem. Thanks spitt - you've done your homework better than I did ! My comment was largely based on conversations I had with Wigan fans when he was there, but it seems that was misleading. You've made me feel a lot more optimistic about him - thanks !
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Post by march4 on Apr 14, 2022 12:27:35 GMT
I would like to have seen these players with a manager who can motivate them.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 14, 2022 12:50:09 GMT
They can all go bar Powell who we should move heaven and earth to keep. Why. He’s ok but hardly plays. Keep him yes but on our terms not his Nobody has had more impact on our attacking play in the last 2.5 seasons. He broke his leg this season which is the main reason why he hasn't played much.
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 14, 2022 13:48:53 GMT
Might be useful to look at the stats i.e. facts? They have been posted on this thread if you care to read, or google. I’m not a stats man I judge with my eyes. Does it tell you in the stats how when he’s had bad games or how many flicks haven’t come off. I bet not
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