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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 8, 2022 9:37:44 GMT
A nothing player before he came to Stoke are you mad. Maybe look for Mourinho’s comments about his level of ability which was well recognised in the game. We took a punt on an extremely talented footballer who’d proved difficult to manage for personality reasons. That's putting it mildly! he was mates with Balotelli @ Inter @ Mario was the calm one... Far too much trying to force people into boxes in life in general not just football, I’ve absolutely no time for it. If someone is good at something but their personality grates learn to live with it.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 8, 2022 9:59:03 GMT
Change that to had he had the integrity to stay and fulfill the new contract he'd signed there's no doubt we'd have stayed up. Two years later he did exactly the same to West Ham. Had we refused his transfer request it wouldn't have made any difference to relegation as he would have just downed tools, not trained properly and been a liability on the pitch. Players are not robots. But do you have any evidence that he’d have done that ie has he done it anywhere else or have clubs always caved in without testing that theory. It’s not a loaded question I honestly don’t know the answer. I think he did at West Ham. They refused his transfer request in January and he even signed a new contract with them at the end of the window. I think if you if memory serves me rightly he then went on to make 3 or 4 more starts for them before moving to China in the summer.
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Post by lordb on Aug 8, 2022 10:01:43 GMT
That's putting it mildly! he was mates with Balotelli @ Inter @ Mario was the calm one... Far too much trying to force people into boxes in life in general not just football, I’ve absolutely no time for it. If someone is good at something but their personality grates learn to live with it. It wasn't so much the personality as driving stolen cars & being arrested that was the issue in Milan & other front page stuff too however he did none of that at Stoke so no worries
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 8, 2022 10:07:17 GMT
But do you have any evidence that he’d have done that ie has he done it anywhere else or have clubs always caved in without testing that theory. It’s not a loaded question I honestly don’t know the answer. I think he did at West Ham. They refused his transfer request in January and he even signed a new contract with them at the end of the window. I think if you if memory serves me rightly he then went on to make 3 or 4 more starts for them before moving to China in the summer. Looks like I'm wrong on appearances but I do remember West Ham fans complaining about him trying to force a move because I thought it ironic that they had gloated about him forcing a move to them from Stoke.
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Post by gaznandi on Aug 8, 2022 11:24:35 GMT
Is the Fleetwood lad we're linked to a winger?
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Post by nott1 on Aug 8, 2022 11:25:12 GMT
I can see a serious bid for Brown before the end of the window I'm sure it will not come from The Prem.
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Post by BuzzB on Aug 8, 2022 12:54:13 GMT
Is the Fleetwood lad we're linked to a winger? yep
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Post by cymap on Aug 8, 2022 13:08:32 GMT
Is the Fleetwood lad we're linked to a winger? yep Apparently the same side as the one linked with us aswell ie left sided EDIT actually Main is left but can play Right and CF
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 8, 2022 14:36:58 GMT
I think he did at West Ham. They refused his transfer request in January and he even signed a new contract with them at the end of the window. I think if you if memory serves me rightly he then went on to make 3 or 4 more starts for them before moving to China in the summer. Looks like I'm wrong on appearances but I do remember West Ham fans complaining about him trying to force a move because I thought it ironic that they had gloated about him forcing a move to them from Stoke. Yeah I’ve no doubt he’s forced his way out of clubs. I’d just never heard any suggestions he’d deliberately under performed to facilitate that and yes it was justice that he treated them the same. There again I just don’t agree with the system no one should be forced to stay anywhere they don’t want to be without a legal warrant. All players should have release fees in their contract, you can’t own a human being.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 14:51:08 GMT
Looks like I'm wrong on appearances but I do remember West Ham fans complaining about him trying to force a move because I thought it ironic that they had gloated about him forcing a move to them from Stoke. Yeah I’ve no doubt he’s forced his way out of clubs. I’d just never heard any suggestions he’d deliberately under performed to facilitate that and yes it was justice that he treated them the same. There again I just don’t agree with the system no one should be forced to stay anywhere they don’t want to be without a legal warrant. All players should have release fees in their contract, you can’t own a human being. Interesting idea but also think players should be forced to pay back signing on fees if they break a contract and try to force a move. We accepted an offer for Arnautovic similar to we did with say Peter Thorne years ago who wanted to move to Cardiff despite the story on here that he didn't. Sheron another one previously who signed what at the time was our most lucrative ever deal then wanted away when another club came along with a potentially bigger deal. The other argument though is that if you sign a legal contract for x amount of years you should honour it.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 8, 2022 15:11:56 GMT
Yeah I’ve no doubt he’s forced his way out of clubs. I’d just never heard any suggestions he’d deliberately under performed to facilitate that and yes it was justice that he treated them the same. There again I just don’t agree with the system no one should be forced to stay anywhere they don’t want to be without a legal warrant. All players should have release fees in their contract, you can’t own a human being. Interesting idea but also think players should be forced to pay back signing on fees if they break a contract and try to force a move. We accepted an offer for Arnautovic similar to we did with say Peter Thorne years ago who wanted to move to Cardiff despite the story on here that he didn't. Sheron another one previously who signed what at the time was our most lucrative ever deal then wanted away when another club came along with a potentially bigger deal. The other argument though is that if you sign a legal contract for x amount of years you should honour it. Sound too much like ownership all contracts should have exit clauses. I think in Spain they have to include a release fee which is set in consideration of their wages. When someone wants to leave they should be able to once the owner of their registration is fairly compensated.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 15:23:46 GMT
Interesting idea but also think players should be forced to pay back signing on fees if they break a contract and try to force a move. We accepted an offer for Arnautovic similar to we did with say Peter Thorne years ago who wanted to move to Cardiff despite the story on here that he didn't. Sheron another one previously who signed what at the time was our most lucrative ever deal then wanted away when another club came along with a potentially bigger deal. The other argument though is that if you sign a legal contract for x amount of years you should honour it. Sound too much like ownership all contracts should have exit clauses. I think in Spain they have to include a release fee which is set in consideration of their wages. When someone wants to leave they should be able to once the owner of their registration is fairly compensated. No reason why any player can't have a release clause written into his individual contract to be fair
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 8, 2022 15:30:17 GMT
Sound too much like ownership all contracts should have exit clauses. I think in Spain they have to include a release fee which is set in consideration of their wages. When someone wants to leave they should be able to once the owner of their registration is fairly compensated. No reason why any player can't have a release clause written into his individual contract to be fair Clubs don’t like them see how keen we were to remove Baker’s. It would have to be forced on them. Much like various recommendations of the fan led review.
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Post by midstaffsstokie on Aug 8, 2022 22:39:02 GMT
Not sure if it means anything but Erik Pieters posted a picture at Trentham Gardens yesterday. Free transfer could be anywhere but he is there. Left sided defender, free transfer would he be of interest?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 8, 2022 23:18:22 GMT
Yeah I’ve no doubt he’s forced his way out of clubs. I’d just never heard any suggestions he’d deliberately under performed to facilitate that and yes it was justice that he treated them the same. There again I just don’t agree with the system no one should be forced to stay anywhere they don’t want to be without a legal warrant. All players should have release fees in their contract, you can’t own a human being. Interesting idea but also think players should be forced to pay back signing on fees if they break a contract and try to force a move. We accepted an offer for Arnautovic similar to we did with say Peter Thorne years ago who wanted to move to Cardiff despite the story on here that he didn't. Sheron another one previously who signed what at the time was our most lucrative ever deal then wanted away when another club came along with a potentially bigger deal. The other argument though is that if you sign a legal contract for x amount of years you should honour it. Don't they have loyalty clauses in their contracts any more?
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Post by gaznandi on Aug 9, 2022 6:16:49 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 9, 2022 8:06:42 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 9, 2022 8:10:16 GMT
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Post by questionable on Aug 9, 2022 10:34:09 GMT
Younger lad from Chelsea still in the frame I believe??
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2022 10:39:40 GMT
Younger lad from Chelsea still in the frame I believe?? Had his medical yesterday I was told.
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Post by LGH87 on Aug 9, 2022 10:42:10 GMT
Younger lad from Chelsea still in the frame I believe?? Had his medical yesterday I was told. The Swedish winger?
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 9, 2022 10:47:23 GMT
Had his medical yesterday I was told. The Swedish winger? Anderssen???
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2022 10:51:59 GMT
Had his medical yesterday I was told. The Swedish winger? Apparently yeah. As I like to stress though, I am told this third/fourth handed so take it how you will but from the same person as the stuff before.
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Post by questionable on Aug 9, 2022 11:13:49 GMT
Apparently yeah. As I like to stress though, I am told this third/fourth handed so take it how you will but from the same person as the stuff before. Not sure about the medical but just been told he’s very close to signing, terms etc all done. Waiting for the dotted line to be signed, hopefully today though.
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Post by TinkerT on Aug 9, 2022 11:17:40 GMT
Not sure if it means anything but Erik Pieters posted a picture at Trentham Gardens yesterday. Free transfer could be anywhere but he is there. Left sided defender, free transfer would he be of interest? Don't think Peter would welcome him back after his antics last time
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Post by Goonie on Aug 9, 2022 11:47:04 GMT
Not sure if it means anything but Erik Pieters posted a picture at Trentham Gardens yesterday. Free transfer could be anywhere but he is there. Left sided defender, free transfer would he be of interest? Come back Erik all is forgiven 😁
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 11, 2022 9:33:39 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 11, 2022 9:44:31 GMT
Dunner werritt,when do sign someone,it will be so underwhelming,it will hardly register on the Stoke City richterscale.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 11, 2022 9:54:23 GMT
Not sure if it means anything but Erik Pieters posted a picture at Trentham Gardens yesterday. Free transfer could be anywhere but he is there. Left sided defender, free transfer would he be of interest? Come back Erik all is forgiven 😁 He’d never manage to play in a wing back system. Not sure if he’d do a good job as left of a back three either.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2022 9:55:35 GMT
Loved Ekker and he probably would still do a job at left back in a back 4 but it ain't going to happen for so many reasons.
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