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Post by neddy on Aug 7, 2022 10:36:52 GMT
If we use Smallbone to best effect, it's more like 3412, isn't it? Why? He'd be just as effective as the advanced midfielder in 4231 or a tweak to 433 with a less flattened out midfield. They're actually just about the same thing. Just as your suggestion is just about the same thing as the 352 we play just giving the centralmidfielders more defined roles. I was thinking more… Bursik Clarke Taylor Souttar Tymon Baker Laurent Smallbone or Powell Gayle or Brown Delap Campbell
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Post by sportsman on Aug 7, 2022 10:39:06 GMT
Could be though if we get Delap and Souttar back we could in some games go to 433? You definitely need to be able to mix your game up. It stops teams planning in fine detail against you so much. If teams know this is his you play no matter what it surely makes it easier to prepare against.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 7, 2022 11:17:12 GMT
DiMarzio claiming Man Utd have had an initial Arnie bid turned down
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Post by werrington on Aug 7, 2022 11:18:12 GMT
He asks to leave a lot of clubs doesn’t he
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Post by jeycov on Aug 7, 2022 11:22:30 GMT
I can see a serious bid for Brown before the end of the window How much do you reckon it’d take to turn our heads? MON absolutely loves him, and it’d feel mad to get rid if we don’t bring another striker in. And not just a loan
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Post by stokecitytalke on Aug 7, 2022 11:27:50 GMT
Cool, heard his sister isn't too bad at football also - Penny. Or his brother Arnold Lane. (one for the oldies!)
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Post by pushon on Aug 7, 2022 11:29:32 GMT
Why? He'd be just as effective as the advanced midfielder in 4231 or a tweak to 433 with a less flattened out midfield. They're actually just about the same thing. Just as your suggestion is just about the same thing as the 352 we play just giving the centralmidfielders more defined roles. I was thinking more… Bursik Clarke Taylor Souttar Tymon Baker Laurent Smallbone or Powell Gayle or Brown Delap Campbell I can't see how you'd include Campbell as a current starter. It has to be Gayle AND Brown for me.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 7, 2022 11:32:51 GMT
How much do you reckon it’d take to turn our heads? MON absolutely loves him, and it’d feel mad to get rid if we don’t bring another striker in. And not just a loan Agree. Delap would be a brilliant signing but he will only ever be here on loan. Hopefully the club are looking at potential replacements in the case a bid for Brown does comes in. Better to be planning for a possibility than not at all and massively regretting it.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 7, 2022 11:35:34 GMT
DiMarzio claiming Man Utd have had an initial Arnie bid turned down He’s certainly got form for requesting to leave a club hasn’t he. God I still remain extremely fucking bitter that he left for West Ham. Such a talented player and for me since I started watching Stoke in 2004, the best I’ve seen in a Stoke shirt.
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Post by theonlooker on Aug 7, 2022 11:52:37 GMT
He asks to leave a lot of clubs doesn’t he His brother is certainly a very rich man.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 7, 2022 11:54:35 GMT
DiMarzio claiming Man Utd have had an initial Arnie bid turned down He’s certainly got form for requesting to leave a club hasn’t he. God I still remain extremely fucking bitter that he left for West Ham. Such a talented player and for me since I started watching Stoke in 2004, the best I’ve seen in a Stoke shirt. Immensley talented but equally greedy player. He must be well into his 30's now so probably his last big move as his powers begin to wain. I'd be surprised if he isn't anything but a bit part player for them.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 7, 2022 11:57:10 GMT
DiMarzio claiming Man Utd have had an initial Arnie bid turned down If he does sign for them, Fernandes' role as Biggest Tosspot in Manchester will be under threat
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 7, 2022 12:04:49 GMT
Clarke not even on the bench for Brighton
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Aug 7, 2022 12:07:39 GMT
It seems to me that he's treating football as a cash-cow, and isn't too ashamed of the fact. He'll be an extremely rich man come retirement, and football will have served it's purpose.
It'd be nice if he recognised that Stoke provided him with the platform, as he was a 'nothing player' before we got a hold of him, but I won't hold my breath.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 7, 2022 12:16:36 GMT
Why wouldn't he want to go to Man Utd? He'd be mad not to.
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Post by Ron on Aug 7, 2022 12:20:01 GMT
It seems to me that he's treating football as a cash-cow, and isn't too ashamed of the fact. He'll be an extremely rich man come retirement, and football will have served it's purpose. It'd be nice if he recognised that Stoke provided him with the platform, as he was a 'nothing player' before we got a hold of him, but I won't hold my breath. hes 33. You couldn’t deny him a United move. China the only move which smacked of pure greed. Had we had the balls to refuse his move we’d have stayed up
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2022 12:29:29 GMT
It seems to me that he's treating football as a cash-cow, and isn't too ashamed of the fact. He'll be an extremely rich man come retirement, and football will have served it's purpose. It'd be nice if he recognised that Stoke provided him with the platform, as he was a 'nothing player' before we got a hold of him, but I won't hold my breath. hes 33. You couldn’t deny him a United move. China the only move which smacked of pure greed. Had we had the balls to refuse his move we’d have stayed up We did, several times
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 7, 2022 13:40:50 GMT
He’s certainly got form for requesting to leave a club hasn’t he. God I still remain extremely fucking bitter that he left for West Ham. Such a talented player and for me since I started watching Stoke in 2004, the best I’ve seen in a Stoke shirt. Immensley talented but equally greedy player. He must be well into his 30's now so probably his last big move as his powers begin to wain. I'd be surprised if he isn't anything but a bit part player for them. They have a limited number of senior attacking players. He would probably still do okay coming off the bench with 20 mins to go.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2022 13:46:01 GMT
Immensley talented but equally greedy player. He must be well into his 30's now so probably his last big move as his powers begin to wain. I'd be surprised if he isn't anything but a bit part player for them. They have a limited number of senior attacking players. He would probably still do okay coming off the bench with 20 mins to go. He’d walk into their team watching this and improve it massively.
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Post by karl on Aug 8, 2022 7:42:44 GMT
Anything happening this week?
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Aug 8, 2022 7:48:07 GMT
It seems to me that he's treating football as a cash-cow, and isn't too ashamed of the fact. He'll be an extremely rich man come retirement, and football will have served it's purpose. It'd be nice if he recognised that Stoke provided him with the platform, as he was a 'nothing player' before we got a hold of him, but I won't hold my breath. hes 33. You couldn’t deny him a United move. China the only move which smacked of pure greed. Had we had the balls to refuse his move we’d have stayed up I'm not sure a sulking Arnie would have saved us, he's hardly one to have in the trenches when he's got a strop on.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 8, 2022 7:57:31 GMT
It seems to me that he's treating football as a cash-cow, and isn't too ashamed of the fact. He'll be an extremely rich man come retirement, and football will have served it's purpose. It'd be nice if he recognised that Stoke provided him with the platform, as he was a 'nothing player' before we got a hold of him, but I won't hold my breath. A nothing player before he came to Stoke are you mad. Maybe look for Mourinho’s comments about his level of ability which was well recognised in the game. We took a punt on an extremely talented footballer who’d proved difficult to manage for personality reasons.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 8, 2022 8:10:24 GMT
hes 33. You couldn’t deny him a United move. China the only move which smacked of pure greed. Had we had the balls to refuse his move we’d have stayed up I'm not sure a sulking Arnie would have saved us, he's hardly one to have in the trenches when he's got a strop on. I don’t know has he ever played for a move? I genuinely don’t know the answer. To me you’re just assuming that because of his different personality and body language. People shouldn’t have to hide or change their personality to get on in a field in which they excell.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 8, 2022 8:15:49 GMT
It seems to me that he's treating football as a cash-cow, and isn't too ashamed of the fact. He'll be an extremely rich man come retirement, and football will have served it's purpose. It'd be nice if he recognised that Stoke provided him with the platform, as he was a 'nothing player' before we got a hold of him, but I won't hold my breath. hes 33. You couldn’t deny him a United move. China the only move which smacked of pure greed. Had we had the balls to refuse his move we’d have stayed up China didnt he get a rumoured £400k a week tax free compared to £100k at West Ham, thats about 8x his after tax salary in the UK or he gets his yearly salary every 2 months, not sure many people turn that down maybe if you are Man City, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Juventus etc etc but at West Ham thanks and goodbye, not only is he secure for life know so are his kids and his kids kids.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 8, 2022 8:27:59 GMT
hes 33. You couldn’t deny him a United move. China the only move which smacked of pure greed. Had we had the balls to refuse his move we’d have stayed up China didnt he get a rumoured £400k a week tax free compared to £100k at West Ham, thats about 8x his after tax salary in the UK or he gets his yearly salary every 2 months, not sure many people turn that down maybe if you are Man City, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Juventus etc etc but at West Ham thanks and goodbye, not only is he secure for life know so are his kids and his kids kids. Not sure why people get so bitter it’s their employment. You go to work to provide when you’ve provided enough you stop and do what you want. Maybe he’s not overly mad about football just good at it.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 8, 2022 8:31:33 GMT
It seems to me that he's treating football as a cash-cow, and isn't too ashamed of the fact. He'll be an extremely rich man come retirement, and football will have served it's purpose. It'd be nice if he recognised that Stoke provided him with the platform, as he was a 'nothing player' before we got a hold of him, but I won't hold my breath. hes 33. You couldn’t deny him a United move. China the only move which smacked of pure greed. Had we had the balls to refuse his move we’d have stayed up Change that to had he had the integrity to stay and fulfill the new contract he'd signed there's no doubt we'd have stayed up. Two years later he did exactly the same to West Ham. Had we refused his transfer request it wouldn't have made any difference to relegation as he would have just downed tools, not trained properly and been a liability on the pitch. Players are not robots.
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Post by wozzerthepotter on Aug 8, 2022 9:04:56 GMT
It seems to me that he's treating football as a cash-cow, and isn't too ashamed of the fact. He'll be an extremely rich man come retirement, and football will have served it's purpose. It'd be nice if he recognised that Stoke provided him with the platform, as he was a 'nothing player' before we got a hold of him, but I won't hold my breath. I don't think so the majority of his money is going to the bookies allegedly
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Post by lordb on Aug 8, 2022 9:05:05 GMT
It seems to me that he's treating football as a cash-cow, and isn't too ashamed of the fact. He'll be an extremely rich man come retirement, and football will have served it's purpose. It'd be nice if he recognised that Stoke provided him with the platform, as he was a 'nothing player' before we got a hold of him, but I won't hold my breath. A nothing player before he came to Stoke are you mad. Maybe look for Mourinho’s comments about his level of ability which was well recognised in the game. We took a punt on an extremely talented footballer who’d proved difficult to manage for personality reasons. That's putting it mildly! he was mates with Balotelli @ Inter @ Mario was the calm one...
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Aug 8, 2022 9:14:41 GMT
It seems to me that he's treating football as a cash-cow, and isn't too ashamed of the fact. He'll be an extremely rich man come retirement, and football will have served it's purpose. It'd be nice if he recognised that Stoke provided him with the platform, as he was a 'nothing player' before we got a hold of him, but I won't hold my breath. A nothing player before he came to Stoke are you mad. Maybe look for Mourinho’s comments about his level of ability which was well recognised in the game. We took a punt on an extremely talented footballer who’d proved difficult to manage for personality reasons. Yeah, he was at Werder Bremen, and we paid a whole £2m for him. So I'll stick with my point, that his move to Stoke is the one that propelled his career to a whole new level. He played 12 games in Dutch football followed by 3 games for Inter Milan, before Bremen. Mourinho saying he was talented, but fundamentally flawed, changes nothing about what I said.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 8, 2022 9:34:28 GMT
hes 33. You couldn’t deny him a United move. China the only move which smacked of pure greed. Had we had the balls to refuse his move we’d have stayed up Change that to had he had the integrity to stay and fulfill the new contract he'd signed there's no doubt we'd have stayed up. Two years later he did exactly the same to West Ham. Had we refused his transfer request it wouldn't have made any difference to relegation as he would have just downed tools, not trained properly and been a liability on the pitch. Players are not robots. But do you have any evidence that he’d have done that ie has he done it anywhere else or have clubs always caved in without testing that theory. It’s not a loaded question I honestly don’t know the answer.
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