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Post by xchpotter on Mar 30, 2022 7:41:53 GMT
Think there will be two very different lists depending on whether there is a managerial change, but I can see a core of the average at best remaining. If MON stays I can see him doing his best to keep Clucas, Fletcher, Allen and Chester. If he’s replaced by someone who hasn’t worked at a high level and is British (which is entirely possible if change happens) then they will be in awe of these players and sign/extend them as well.
Either way, I’m resigned to those four ambling around the bet365 next season 😞
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 30, 2022 7:52:10 GMT
I honestly think we don't need lots of signings We need to get more, far more, out of the players we have I agree, we have dozens of players, half as many good ones should be our destination. When MON came in he said he couldn't keep everyone happy and a slimmed down squad was the aim, yet it seems he can't stop signing players! Make it a rule, 2 out before we can bring 1 in. And sweat the playing assets we do have, much harder. So again, pick me a good team for next season with the players who'll be here? Ie one that MON is likely to play (the young lads are going to be used sparingly, if we're honest) |
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Post by femark on Mar 30, 2022 7:58:19 GMT
Numero Tres (loan) - Kaine Kesler Hayden: young wing back who has had lower league loans from Villa, and could be ready for a step up. After JPB, another we could have on loan from their impressive production line. Numero Quattro - Dan Neil: already a regular at Sunderland at 20, he could be the perfect foil for Lewis Baker in an Allen-less midfield. Lots of Premier League clubs in for Dan Neil Tough isn't it? Comes down to whether he wants playing time and gradually build his career. Not necessarily with us, but his next move should be championship. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 30, 2022 8:03:53 GMT
Think there will be two very different lists depending on whether there is a managerial change, but I can see a core of the average at best remaining. If MON stays I can see him doing his best to keep Clucas, Fletcher, Allen and Chester. If he’s replaced by someone who hasn’t worked at a high level and is British (which is entirely possible if change happens) then they will be in awe of these players and sign/extend them as well. Either way, I’m resigned to those four ambling around the bet365 next season 😞 If MON thinks Chester and Clucas are answers then he certainly should be replaced!  |
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Post by pmjh on Mar 30, 2022 8:55:52 GMT
Think there will be two very different lists depending on whether there is a managerial change, but I can see a core of the average at best remaining. If MON stays I can see him doing his best to keep Clucas, Fletcher, Allen and Chester. If he’s replaced by someone who hasn’t worked at a high level and is British (which is entirely possible if change happens) then they will be in awe of these players and sign/extend them as well. Either way, I’m resigned to those four ambling around the bet365 next season 😞 If MON thinks Chester and Clucas are answers then he certainly should be replaced! Clucas may be here, because he's still under contract. Personally I'd try to get rid. Allen I'd offer a one year deal on vastly reduced terms. He might get better offers closer to home. The other two it's time to go. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 30, 2022 10:01:29 GMT
Expectations: Ronnie Edwards - CB - Peterborough. Likely to be relegated but doubtful cheap. Exactly the type of player we should be looking at though. Dan Neil - CM - Sunderland. Depends if they go up. Worth a punt if not but again doubtful would be cheap but what we should be looking at. Reality Joe Allen on a 1 year deal. James Chester on a 1 year deal I'm just behind O'Neil now ready to give him that little nudge over the cliff edge.... If he gives Chester another 1yr deal, that nudge will become one almighty push!!! |
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 30, 2022 10:03:58 GMT
From all sources it seems Allen is on his way closer to home so we can forget that.
I would of kept him with the right deal.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 30, 2022 11:04:38 GMT
Surely it will all depend on how many leave. At baseline (assuming none leave), we need a goalkeeper who we don’t talk about every week, a defensive midfielder and a target man. Don’t we have something like 10-15 players out of contract? We are going to need more than just those three. A DM and targetman deffo. I think Bursik would be ok if MON stopped dropping him at every opportunity. Young players make mistakes and fair enough there is a time to take them out of the firing line, just don't think that threshold had anywhere near been met in this case. |
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Post by lordb on Mar 30, 2022 11:04:41 GMT
Lots of Premier League clubs in for Dan Neil Tough isn't it? Comes down to whether he wants playing time and gradually build his career. Not necessarily with us, but his next move should be championship. Probably the correct stance however in the main the PL clubs get these players |
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Post by lordb on Mar 30, 2022 11:05:20 GMT
Surely it will all depend on how many leave. At baseline (assuming none leave), we need a goalkeeper who we don’t talk about every week, a defensive midfielder and a target man. Don’t we have something like 10-15 players out of contract? We are going to need more than just those three. A DM and targetman deffo. I think Bursik would be ok if MON stopped dropping him at every opportunity. Young players make mistakes and fair enough there is a time to take them out of the firing line, just don't think that threshold had anywhere near been met in this case. Agree however he was dropped for breaking a curfew |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 30, 2022 11:11:45 GMT
A DM and targetman deffo. I think Bursik would be ok if MON stopped dropping him at every opportunity. Young players make mistakes and fair enough there is a time to take them out of the firing line, just don't think that threshold had anywhere near been met in this case. Agree however he was dropped for breaking a curfew It's been a long punishment for breaking a curfew in which his replacement has not exactly covered himself in glory. Theres having no discipline and no consequences to being an overly harsh dictator. It's a generational thing younger generations will not accept that type of man management. |
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 30, 2022 11:13:48 GMT
A DM and targetman deffo. I think Bursik would be ok if MON stopped dropping him at every opportunity. Young players make mistakes and fair enough there is a time to take them out of the firing line, just don't think that threshold had anywhere near been met in this case. Agree however he was dropped for breaking a curfew And drinking. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 30, 2022 13:51:32 GMT
From all sources it seems Allen is on his way closer to home so we can forget that. I would of kept him with the right deal. Brown or red 😉 |
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Post by mistergumby on Mar 30, 2022 13:53:22 GMT
Summer targets. And summer not.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 30, 2022 14:13:33 GMT
A DM and targetman deffo. I think Bursik would be ok if MON stopped dropping him at every opportunity. Young players make mistakes and fair enough there is a time to take them out of the firing line, just don't think that threshold had anywhere near been met in this case. Agree however he was dropped for breaking a curfew Says the rumour mill. |
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 30, 2022 14:14:21 GMT
Summer targets. And summer not. Let's hope that summer (but preferably all) are absolute mustard then. |
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Post by thevoid on Mar 30, 2022 14:28:43 GMT
Pointless having this discussion until the new manager's in place
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Post by Gods on Mar 30, 2022 14:38:49 GMT
I agree, we have dozens of players, half as many good ones should be our destination. When MON came in he said he couldn't keep everyone happy and a slimmed down squad was the aim, yet it seems he can't stop signing players! Make it a rule, 2 out before we can bring 1 in. And sweat the playing assets we do have, much harder. So again, pick me a good team for next season with the players who'll be here? Ie one that MON is likely to play (the young lads are going to be used sparingly, if we're honest) That was my point really, if we didn't have 50 mediocre players on the payroll we'd be able to bring someone decent in without running in to trouble with FFP. We need to get the 'out' door swinging before we do anything else daft! Oh and when we do start hiring again I'd begin with the goal keeper and work forward from there, we need a solid platform if we are to have even half a chance. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 30, 2022 14:40:20 GMT
A DM and targetman deffo. I think Bursik would be ok if MON stopped dropping him at every opportunity. Young players make mistakes and fair enough there is a time to take them out of the firing line, just don't think that threshold had anywhere near been met in this case. Agree however he was dropped for breaking a curfew Along with DWP wasn't it? |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 30, 2022 14:41:28 GMT
Somebody's going to want Chester. Wales? |
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 30, 2022 14:43:47 GMT
tbf, getting the out door revolving has been quite good latterly?
And by virtue of contracts ending, it will spin again this summer.
Not sure I trust MoN enough to be the guardian of the 'in' door however atm.
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Post by TinkerT on Mar 30, 2022 14:47:42 GMT
Jesus the monkey dust in Stoke must be good if anyone thinks we can get Lewis Potter. Jesus christ😂😂🙈
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 30, 2022 15:00:36 GMT
So again, pick me a good team for next season with the players who'll be here? Ie one that MON is likely to play (the young lads are going to be used sparingly, if we're honest) That was my point really, if we didn't have 50 mediocre players on the payroll we'd be able to bring someone decent in without running in to trouble with FFP. We need to get the 'out' door swinging before we do anything else daft! Oh and when we do start hiring again id begin with the goal keeper and work forward from there, we need a solid platform if we are to have even half a chance. The outdoor is going to be swinging quite emphatically though isn't it? |
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 30, 2022 15:11:56 GMT
Surely it will all depend on how many leave. At baseline (assuming none leave), we need a goalkeeper who we don’t talk about every week, a defensive midfielder and a target man. Don’t we have something like 10-15 players out of contract? We are going to need more than just those three. A DM and targetman deffo. I think Bursik would be ok if MON stopped dropping him at every opportunity. Young players make mistakes and fair enough there is a time to take them out of the firing line, just don't think that threshold had anywhere near been met in this case. He should have been played till the end of the season and allowed us to inspect him properly. I don’t think he’s close to being ready to be honest. He makes way too many errors and I have no confidence in him when the ball comes at him. Yes, he’s young, but an error from a goalkeeper is far worse than one from a young striker. We should have given him the end of the season and then loaned him out to someone either in this league, but further down, or someone in league 1 for a year. He still very young for a goalkeeper at this level. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 30, 2022 15:19:40 GMT
Do we see Brown as a right-sided player now?
Can he play up front on his own?
If he's going to be used wide, where does that leave Campbell if we're going to regularly play a 4?
Are Forrester and Taylor ready to feature regularly?
Where's DWP's best position?
Is Doughty going to figure?
Is Bursik going to be given a chance to establish himself?
At the very least, you'd think we'd be looking at a first-choice RB, a first choice CM to partner Baker - and, crucially, a new Fletcher-type.
A LB to challenge Tymon.
And probably one more CB, possibly 2, if the youngsters aren't ready.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2022 16:13:26 GMT
He’s not a striker. He can’t hold it up and he can’t link play.
His best work is finishing from an inside right channel.
Campbell should be the first choice on the right though.
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Post by lordb on Mar 30, 2022 16:20:15 GMT
He’s not a striker. He can’t hold it up and he can’t link play. His best work is finishing from an inside right channel. Campbell should be the first choice on the right though. For someone who can't hold it up or link play it's amazing how often he does both |
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Post by ontheup on Mar 30, 2022 16:49:38 GMT
He’s not a striker. He can’t hold it up and he can’t link play. His best work is finishing from an inside right channel. Campbell should be the first choice on the right though. Campbell has a lot of work to do in preseason to make the team ahead of Brown. |
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Post by Goonie on Mar 30, 2022 16:49:58 GMT
I honestly think we don't need lots of signings We need to get more, far more, out of the players we have True, but even then, allowing for that and a few youngsters coming through, I reckon that there are, realistically, five spots in this squad up for grabs if we are to mount any kind of play-off push (we can forget automatic). Bursik Bonham Blondy Wilmot Forrester Taylor Souttar Tymon Baker Thompson Powell Campbell Powell DWP Brown That's only 15 (3 are keepers too!), and someone will come on and point out that even some of them are not signed up for next season yet. 2 of them are Powell 😁 |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 30, 2022 16:57:16 GMT
He’s not a striker. He can’t hold it up and he can’t link play. His best work is finishing from an inside right channel. Campbell should be the first choice on the right though. For someone who can't hold it up or link play it's amazing how often he does both He's a definite starter for me next season. It is Brown, Campbell, DWP and ideally JPB on loan again; all competing for 2 spots either side of out central Striker. MON seems well set on Maja, but we will need another to play in the centre of a 3. Huge decision to be made on Allen who I would have seen move on but his partnership with Baker is excellent and with Powell in there I think we have the potential for an excellent midfield. Which leaves us back to age old issue of just who the hell we are going to get in to play full back, because we are absolutely desperate if we want to get out of this league. We have a lot of work to do. |
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