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Post by cvillestokie on May 9, 2022 1:48:14 GMT
Doing the end of season stock taking, so here are the performance ratings of the Championship midfielders. View AttachmentNominal positions at their most fluid here. I haven't sorted out those who've barely played any minutes. Much prefer the BWR color scheme. It really frustrates me to see red and green in any graphic nowadays. What do the scores relate to, ORs on the likelihood of them being in a winning side? It’s hard for me to draw anything from that without any idea about the model. Does it take into account the relative position of the midfielder (8, 10 etc).
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Post by Ron on May 9, 2022 5:39:39 GMT
With my analysts hat on. Clarke-Harris is 27 and 300 days, which is at the top end of peak & near to the start of a striker's ageing phase. Before this season he hadn't played at Championship level since 2016/17, when he barely played for a relegated team. Biggest red flag is his penalty scoring record. It has contributed 2, 4, 7, 5 since 2018/19, He's only scored 6 non penalty goals in 32.5 full games this season or 0.18 per 90. Here's our ratings for Championship strikers from this season. Caveat, some have played very few minutes and Opta's definition of a striker can be fluid. View Attachment Andy Carroll would be a good replacement for Fletcher based upon this. Their games must be fairly similar. These three could be okay value wise then? Carlton Morris Cauley Woodrow Bartosz Cybulski Surprised to see the number of ex premier league strikers in the red zone. we should be all over Woodrow. Excellent player.
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Post by a on May 9, 2022 6:50:58 GMT
Supposed Free Agents this summer:
Jack Cork - DM - Burnley £38,000 (that’s a no then) Lee Buchanan - LB - Derby - £1,000 Nathan Byrne - RB - Derby - £11,000 Josh Koromo - ST - Huddersfield - £3,500 George Honeyman - AM - Hull - £6,000 Sean Morrison - CB - Cardiff - £25,000 Dom Ball - DM - QPR - £6,250
Would be unlikely to result in an overspend, wages are probably within budget (minus Cork/Morrison) and would fill many of the gaps in the squad. I know in reality it doesn’t work like that and we’ll probably end up spending on lower league players but these guys know the league, and are experienced without being ancient (Cork being the oldest).
Pie in the sky I know but in an ideal world I’d like these players please 😂
Jack Cork and Sean Morrison’s salaries (shown as per week at the end of each line) would need to drop very dramatically so they might well be priced out,but the rest, on similar or reduced terms would be within reach, especially having cut the wage bill with the releasing of several players.
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Post by tachyon on May 9, 2022 7:08:35 GMT
Doing the end of season stock taking, so here are the performance ratings of the Championship midfielders. View AttachmentNominal positions at their most fluid here. I haven't sorted out those who've barely played any minutes. Much prefer the BWR color scheme. It really frustrates me to see red and green in any graphic nowadays. What do the scores relate to, ORs on the likelihood of them being in a winning side? It’s hard for me to draw anything from that without any idea about the model. Does it take into account the relative position of the midfielder (8, 10 etc). Each player gets credit/debit for every action they've been involved in during the season and how it impacts on the change in the likelihood that the team scores/concedes a goal compared to where the ball was and who had it immediately prior to the event. So you've got net positive or negative scores in a variety of categories which you can take a more granular look at a player's strengths or weaknesses. (Aerial duel, forward passes, ball recoveries etc) These are amalgamated into a single score for convenience of presentation. The actual scores are standard scores for each position (so midfielders are calculated against other midfielders and so on, they are also subdivided into defensive/attacking/central mids etc). The final score incorporates the standard deviation of the scores for each position, so a score of zero is an average score for that position and it makes comparisons between different positions and seasons easier. Mitrovic is therefore 3.71 standard deviations better than par. Sorry about the colour blind unfriendly scheme. My bad.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 9, 2022 8:26:51 GMT
Forest and WBA after Rothwell
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Post by stokecitydom on May 9, 2022 8:49:54 GMT
Forest and WBA after Rothwell If we don’t at least attempt to sign him then something is seriously wrong. He’s exactly what we need in the middle of the park, plays with tempo & drives forward with the ball. Always impressed when I’ve seen him play.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 9, 2022 10:51:14 GMT
Much prefer the BWR color scheme. It really frustrates me to see red and green in any graphic nowadays. What do the scores relate to, ORs on the likelihood of them being in a winning side? It’s hard for me to draw anything from that without any idea about the model. Does it take into account the relative position of the midfielder (8, 10 etc). Each player gets credit/debit for every action they've been involved in during the season and how it impacts on the change in the likelihood that the team scores/concedes a goal compared to where the ball was and who had it immediately prior to the event. So you've got net positive or negative scores in a variety of categories which you can take a more granular look at a player's strengths or weaknesses. (Aerial duel, forward passes, ball recoveries etc) These are amalgamated into a single score for convenience of presentation. The actual scores are standard scores for each position (so midfielders are calculated against other midfielders and so on, they are also subdivided into defensive/attacking/central mids etc). The final score incorporates the standard deviation of the scores for each position, so a score of zero is an average score for that position and it makes comparisons between different positions and seasons easier. Mitrovic is therefore 3.71 standard deviations better than par. Sorry about the colour blind unfriendly scheme. My bad. Thanks for that. And no, I meant I appreciated the blue, white, red. I’m tired of seeing green-red, so it’s nice when I don’t have to.
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Post by onepara on May 9, 2022 13:11:34 GMT
Old saying;- "Red & Green should never be seen, except upon a fool".
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Post by Squeekster on May 9, 2022 13:26:38 GMT
Old saying;- "Red & Green should never be seen, except upon a fool". Or a fairy queen.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2022 13:37:42 GMT
Old saying;- "Red & Green should never be seen, except upon a fool". Have heard...blue and green should never be seen upon an Irish Queen. I doubt was Oscar Wilde said that
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Post by FullerMagic on May 9, 2022 17:46:58 GMT
Rothwell probably always a bit out of reach for where we are at the moment
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Post by karl on May 9, 2022 17:51:13 GMT
The club will probably wait until other clubs have their pick and go for their 3rd and 4th choices.
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Post by silsdenstokie on May 9, 2022 20:18:38 GMT
Rothwell probably always a bit out of reach for where we are at the moment Shame that as he really impressed me this season Pearson at Bournemouth would be ideal for us as a midfield destroyer Wonder if he’ll get much of a look in now theyve gone up
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 9, 2022 20:26:35 GMT
Bournemouth just seem to accumulate players.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 9, 2022 21:28:10 GMT
Bournemouth just seem to accumulate players. The difference is most of then can play and they sell for decent value wilson, ake etc
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 9, 2022 21:28:11 GMT
Scholes out (exclamation mark)
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Post by scfc75 on May 9, 2022 21:39:19 GMT
Scholes out (exclamation mark) One of the bargains of the century that.
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Post by silsdenstokie on May 9, 2022 21:40:58 GMT
Yep, seems very cheap in the current climate
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 9, 2022 21:41:03 GMT
Scholes out (exclamation mark) One of the bargains of the century that. Really is and you’d imagine he’ll score tons. And should help Grealish too.
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Post by essexstokey on May 10, 2022 4:25:57 GMT
Have we signed anyone yet 😟
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 10, 2022 6:01:02 GMT
The Haaland deal is around £150m if you take a deeper look into the contract and agent fees included. Still, the purchase price is "cheap" I agree.
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Post by cartio on May 10, 2022 6:14:25 GMT
The Haaland deal is around £150m if you take a deeper look into the contract and agent fees included. Still, the purchase price is "cheap" I agree. Wonder if this impacts any current , young Man City , centre forwards location next season ???🤔🤔🤔
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Post by lordb on May 10, 2022 6:40:00 GMT
Yep, seems very cheap in the current climate £30m a year wages might not be so cheap
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Post by FullerMagic on May 10, 2022 9:17:01 GMT
It'll be interesting to see how the Championship market shapes up this summer. Hard to see there being many £1m+ deals, certainly outside the parachuters.
It's amazing the extent to which fees the like of which we were spending have completely dried up in this league
£4m on Tommy Smith seems like it's from a different age.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 10, 2022 11:01:30 GMT
Baggies confident of signing Swift - and want Wallace from Millwall, and Lenihan from Blackburn. Seem to be looking at the top-end, expensive Championship Bosman market with their remaining parachute money theathletic.com/3299617/2022/05/08/this-west-brom-squad-is-without-heroes-that-is-what-bruce-must-add-this-summer/He already knows who he wants. Albion are optimistic that John Swift, the out-of-contract Reading midfielder, can be persuaded that The Hawthorns is the ideal stage to show off the talents that have made him one of the Championship’s most prolific creators, even in a team that has struggled this season. Swift does things that gets fans excited.
Jed Wallace, another player near the top of Bruce’s wanted list, has a similar ability from a wider role.
And Darragh Lenihan, the Blackburn captain, has natural leadership qualities, although Bruce’s ability to move for the Irish defender might well hinge on how successfully he can offload some of the existing centre-backs in his squad.
There are others on the list, too — with money scarce in this summer’s market and free agents attractive options, the competition will be fierce and Albion will almost certainly miss out on a target or two as he seeks the “five or six” changes he is planning.
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Post by scfcno1fan on May 10, 2022 11:04:28 GMT
Baggies confident of signing Swift - and want Wallace from Millwall, and Lenihan from Blackburn. Seem to be looking at the top-end, expensive Championship Bosman market with their remaining parachute money theathletic.com/3299617/2022/05/08/this-west-brom-squad-is-without-heroes-that-is-what-bruce-must-add-this-summer/He already knows who he wants. Albion are optimistic that John Swift, the out-of-contract Reading midfielder, can be persuaded that The Hawthorns is the ideal stage to show off the talents that have made him one of the Championship’s most prolific creators, even in a team that has struggled this season. Swift does things that gets fans excited. Jed Wallace, another player near the top of Bruce’s wanted list, has a similar ability from a wider role. And Darragh Lenihan, the Blackburn captain, has natural leadership qualities, although Bruce’s ability to move for the Irish defender might well hinge on how successfully he can offload some of the existing centre-backs in his squad. Bloody hell, they’d be 3 top signings for this level.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 10, 2022 11:07:56 GMT
Baggies confident of signing Swift - and want Wallace from Millwall, and Lenihan from Blackburn. Seem to be looking at the top-end, expensive Championship Bosman market with their remaining parachute money theathletic.com/3299617/2022/05/08/this-west-brom-squad-is-without-heroes-that-is-what-bruce-must-add-this-summer/He already knows who he wants. Albion are optimistic that John Swift, the out-of-contract Reading midfielder, can be persuaded that The Hawthorns is the ideal stage to show off the talents that have made him one of the Championship’s most prolific creators, even in a team that has struggled this season. Swift does things that gets fans excited.
Jed Wallace, another player near the top of Bruce’s wanted list, has a similar ability from a wider role.
And Darragh Lenihan, the Blackburn captain, has natural leadership qualities, although Bruce’s ability to move for the Irish defender might well hinge on how successfully he can offload some of the existing centre-backs in his squad.
There are others on the list, too — with money scarce in this summer’s market and free agents attractive options, the competition will be fierce and Albion will almost certainly miss out on a target or two as he seeks the “five or six” changes he is planning.Wankers
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 10, 2022 11:19:00 GMT
John Swift can and probably will do better you'd have thought. I like Wallace but he's 28 and has one good contract in him. Can't see where he'd fit in with us unless we set up differently. He's not an out and out winger in my book but would work in a 4-4-2 if we ever deigned to play it!!!!!
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Post by LGH87 on May 10, 2022 11:40:37 GMT
Baggies confident of signing Swift - and want Wallace from Millwall, and Lenihan from Blackburn. Seem to be looking at the top-end, expensive Championship Bosman market with their remaining parachute money theathletic.com/3299617/2022/05/08/this-west-brom-squad-is-without-heroes-that-is-what-bruce-must-add-this-summer/He already knows who he wants. Albion are optimistic that John Swift, the out-of-contract Reading midfielder, can be persuaded that The Hawthorns is the ideal stage to show off the talents that have made him one of the Championship’s most prolific creators, even in a team that has struggled this season. Swift does things that gets fans excited. Jed Wallace, another player near the top of Bruce’s wanted list, has a similar ability from a wider role. And Darragh Lenihan, the Blackburn captain, has natural leadership qualities, although Bruce’s ability to move for the Irish defender might well hinge on how successfully he can offload some of the existing centre-backs in his squad. Bloody hell, they’d be 3 top signings for this level. Unfortunately they'd be hamstrung by having Steve Bruce as manager
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Post by LGH87 on May 10, 2022 11:43:16 GMT
What's the opinion on here like if we were to allow Powell to leave but signed John Swift to replace him?
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