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Post by tachyon on May 7, 2022 7:10:09 GMT
Is he a target man? I don’t really know much about him. 11 goals as a target man in this league would have been a decent haul. 11, 13, 31, 11 is his goal scoring record the past 4 seasons, and reads the same backwards. Is the 31 a blip? This was in a promotion winning League One team, the 11 in a relegated Championship team. If he is playing in a promotion challenging team in the Championship, you would hope that it would be better than 11, but probably not as high as 31. With my analysts hat on. Clarke-Harris is 27 and 300 days, which is at the top end of peak & near to the start of a striker's ageing phase. Before this season he hadn't played at Championship level since 2016/17, when he barely played for a relegated team. Biggest red flag is his penalty scoring record. It has contributed 2, 4, 7, 5 since 2018/19, He's only scored 6 non penalty goals in 32.5 full games this season or 0.18 per 90. Here's our ratings for Championship strikers from this season. Caveat, some have played very few minutes and Opta's definition of a striker can be fluid. Attachment Deleted
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Post by lordb on May 7, 2022 8:37:27 GMT
11, 13, 31, 11 is his goal scoring record the past 4 seasons, and reads the same backwards. Is the 31 a blip? This was in a promotion winning League One team, the 11 in a relegated Championship team. If he is playing in a promotion challenging team in the Championship, you would hope that it would be better than 11, but probably not as high as 31. With my analysts hat on. Clarke-Harris is 27 and 300 days, which is at the top end of peak & near to the start of a striker's ageing phase. Before this season he hadn't played at Championship level since 2016/17, when he barely played for a relegated team. Biggest red flag is his penalty scoring record. It has contributed 2, 4, 7, 5 since 2018/19, He's only scored 6 non penalty goals in 32.5 full games this season or 0.18 per 90. Here's our ratings for Championship strikers from this season. Caveat, some have played very few minutes and Opta's definition of a striker can be fluid. View Attachment Jury out then? And given Posh would be asking for at least £5m he doesn't scream go get him
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Post by clarkeda on May 7, 2022 8:45:11 GMT
11, 13, 31, 11 is his goal scoring record the past 4 seasons, and reads the same backwards. Is the 31 a blip? This was in a promotion winning League One team, the 11 in a relegated Championship team. If he is playing in a promotion challenging team in the Championship, you would hope that it would be better than 11, but probably not as high as 31. With my analysts hat on. Clarke-Harris is 27 and 300 days, which is at the top end of peak & near to the start of a striker's ageing phase. Before this season he hadn't played at Championship level since 2016/17, when he barely played for a relegated team. Biggest red flag is his penalty scoring record. It has contributed 2, 4, 7, 5 since 2018/19, He's only scored 6 non penalty goals in 32.5 full games this season or 0.18 per 90. Here's our ratings for Championship strikers from this season. Caveat, some have played very few minutes and Opta's definition of a striker can be fluid. View Attachment Based off this, what’s your opinion on Maja?
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Post by tachyon on May 7, 2022 9:11:15 GMT
With my analysts hat on. Clarke-Harris is 27 and 300 days, which is at the top end of peak & near to the start of a striker's ageing phase. Before this season he hadn't played at Championship level since 2016/17, when he barely played for a relegated team. Biggest red flag is his penalty scoring record. It has contributed 2, 4, 7, 5 since 2018/19, He's only scored 6 non penalty goals in 32.5 full games this season or 0.18 per 90. Here's our ratings for Championship strikers from this season. Caveat, some have played very few minutes and Opta's definition of a striker can be fluid. View Attachment Jury out then? And given Posh would be asking for at least £5m he doesn't scream go get him His age profile isn't good, he's had a few peak years to make the jump to the Championship (and he hasn't). His non penalty xG per 90 is at Steven Fletcher levels (around 0.28). He's only scored at the rate of 0.18 non pen goals per 90 (if you look at this season's shot map he's left some good quality chances on the table, the big blue circles), so there is the potential to get an undervalued asset. Attachment DeletedBut the five penalty goals muddies the negotiating stance. He can be marketed as an 11 goal striker. Haven't looked at the rest of his game, but he comes out at just a below average striker on our combined rating, which includes all the other footballing stuff a player does outside of goal scoring. I'd say avoid, esp as the price is likely to be inflated, rather than in the value for money range.
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Post by tachyon on May 7, 2022 9:27:10 GMT
With my analysts hat on. Clarke-Harris is 27 and 300 days, which is at the top end of peak & near to the start of a striker's ageing phase. Before this season he hadn't played at Championship level since 2016/17, when he barely played for a relegated team. Biggest red flag is his penalty scoring record. It has contributed 2, 4, 7, 5 since 2018/19, He's only scored 6 non penalty goals in 32.5 full games this season or 0.18 per 90. Here's our ratings for Championship strikers from this season. Caveat, some have played very few minutes and Opta's definition of a striker can be fluid. View Attachment Based off this, what’s your opinion on Maja? Here's what I wrote on the Maja thread. Maja's shot profile in a variety of leagues (PL Ligue1 Champ)
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Overall 0.29 non penalty xG per full game (a NP expected goal every 3.5 games).
0.16 xG per goal attempt (so, high quality chances, likes the six yard box).
Average of 1.8 attempts per game.
Not done so well at Stoke (service probably an issue).
Here he's got on the end of an expected goal every five full games, at roughly the same quality of chances, but fewer attempts per full game (just 1.2).
Stylistically, he's poor in the air. Doesn't get involved in many aerial duels and only wins a quarter of the ones he does. (average success rate for his position is just over 40%)
Passing wise, he gets more involved in passes in his own half than the average for forwards and is above average for completion, not a liability in his own half. Likes a backwards pass (14% more frequently than average for his position) So brings in midfield runners from deep and does it at above average efficiency.
A smaller percentage of his passes are forward ones compared to his position and that's a career trait.
Doesn't carry the ball much, but is more difficult to shift off it than average when he does.
Not yet in his prime, still a young talent at 23 & 100 or so days.
Last line sums him up. He's been underwhelming at Stoke, but he a better bet than the Posh guy.
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Post by nonameface on May 7, 2022 9:30:57 GMT
11, 13, 31, 11 is his goal scoring record the past 4 seasons, and reads the same backwards. Is the 31 a blip? This was in a promotion winning League One team, the 11 in a relegated Championship team. If he is playing in a promotion challenging team in the Championship, you would hope that it would be better than 11, but probably not as high as 31. With my analysts hat on. Clarke-Harris is 27 and 300 days, which is at the top end of peak & near to the start of a striker's ageing phase. Before this season he hadn't played at Championship level since 2016/17, when he barely played for a relegated team. Biggest red flag is his penalty scoring record. It has contributed 2, 4, 7, 5 since 2018/19, He's only scored 6 non penalty goals in 32.5 full games this season or 0.18 per 90. Here's our ratings for Championship strikers from this season. Caveat, some have played very few minutes and Opta's definition of a striker can be fluid. View Attachment Andy Carroll would be a good replacement for Fletcher based upon this. Their games must be fairly similar. These three could be okay value wise then? Carlton Morris Cauley Woodrow Bartosz Cybulski Surprised to see the number of ex premier league strikers in the red zone.
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Post by clarkeda on May 8, 2022 5:54:36 GMT
Based off this, what’s your opinion on Maja? Here's what I wrote on the Maja thread. Maja's shot profile in a variety of leagues (PL Ligue1 Champ)
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Overall 0.29 non penalty xG per full game (a NP expected goal every 3.5 games).
0.16 xG per goal attempt (so, high quality chances, likes the six yard box).
Average of 1.8 attempts per game.
Not done so well at Stoke (service probably an issue).
Here he's got on the end of an expected goal every five full games, at roughly the same quality of chances, but fewer attempts per full game (just 1.2).
Stylistically, he's poor in the air. Doesn't get involved in many aerial duels and only wins a quarter of the ones he does. (average success rate for his position is just over 40%)
Passing wise, he gets more involved in passes in his own half than the average for forwards and is above average for completion, not a liability in his own half. Likes a backwards pass (14% more frequently than average for his position) So brings in midfield runners from deep and does it at above average efficiency.
A smaller percentage of his passes are forward ones compared to his position and that's a career trait.
Doesn't carry the ball much, but is more difficult to shift off it than average when he does.
Not yet in his prime, still a young talent at 23 & 100 or so days.
Last line sums him up. He's been underwhelming at Stoke, but he a better bet than the Posh guy. Hadn’t seen this so thank you.
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Post by tachyon on May 8, 2022 6:53:30 GMT
Surprised to see the number of ex premier league strikers in the red zone. Age does for strikers quicker than any other position. Those that do keep going into their 30's so their useful production quickly tail off.
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Post by tachyon on May 8, 2022 6:58:30 GMT
As we're clearly in the market for some full back/wingbacks, here's our 2021/22 Championship ratings for those positions. Again, some have played very few mins, some play in a variety of positions. Attachment Deleted* denotes right sided.
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Post by nonameface on May 8, 2022 7:40:07 GMT
As we're clearly in the market for some full back/wingbacks, here's our 2021/22 Championship ratings for those positions. Again, some have played very few mins, some play in a variety of positions. View Attachment* denotes right sided. How can you differentiate between how good a player is in a position versus the benefit of the team they play in? Sheff Utd have a lot of full backs that appear decent and that may be the case, or it may be the team deliberately looks to use them more. Another Barnsley player, Callum Brittain could be achievable.
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Post by tachyon on May 8, 2022 9:04:23 GMT
As we're clearly in the market for some full back/wingbacks, here's our 2021/22 Championship ratings for those positions. Again, some have played very few mins, some play in a variety of positions. View Attachment* denotes right sided. How can you differentiate between how good a player is in a position versus the benefit of the team they play in? Sheff Utd have a lot of full backs that appear decent and that may be the case, or it may be the team deliberately looks to use them more. Another Barnsley player, Callum Brittain could be achievable. It's a good point. Firstly you assume better players play for better teams in a relatively free market. This is a first sweep based on what a player has been asked to do and it's just this season. You need to build up a profile. So you then look into role within the team, team system, how he's performed against his peers within the team, etc. Stand out, bad or good seasons are the most interesting. Wonder why Sawyers hasn't particularly impressed at Stoke, especially in a deeper role, when his career high was in 2018/19 playing a deep lying role at Brentford. It's because at Brentford 2018/19 he hovered up all the stray balls in the middle of the park. That's not been the case at Stoke, probably because as a side we haven't generated those opportunities for him. All those loose balls Sawyers picked up fuelled his passes, but they've declined as well. It's become an ugly, vicious circle, not really of his making, but it's not because he can't be used playing deeper. There's two main ways to evaluate player performance, top down, where you look at the team's overall performance in a game and then see who played & distribute credit and a bottom up method whereby you value every individual on field action. (That's the one I've used for the Infogol player ratings). Then you look at efficiency figures, rather than raw numbers. Winning three tackles a game is opportunity and team quality based, but winning 60% of tackles when the overall average for your position is only 56% is more talent based. It's a huge topic, that quickly needs a specialist, position and role based approach and a data based input is essential.
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Post by theonlooker on May 8, 2022 9:07:35 GMT
As we're clearly in the market for some full back/wingbacks, here's our 2021/22 Championship ratings for those positions. Again, some have played very few mins, some play in a variety of positions. View Attachment* denotes right sided. How can you differentiate between how good a player is in a position versus the benefit of the team they play in? Sheff Utd have a lot of full backs that appear decent and that may be the case, or it may be the team deliberately looks to use them more. Another Barnsley player, Callum Brittain could be achievable. Have said privately to friends that I think he and possibly Woodrow will end up here this summer from Barnsley.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 8, 2022 9:23:45 GMT
Why privately to friends? 🤔
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Post by theonlooker on May 8, 2022 9:31:53 GMT
Why privately to friends? 🤔 As opposed to posting it on here. 🤣
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 8, 2022 9:33:15 GMT
Why privately to friends? 🤔 As opposed to posting it on here. 🤣 But you have done just that 😉
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Post by clarkeda on May 8, 2022 10:34:46 GMT
How can you differentiate between how good a player is in a position versus the benefit of the team they play in? Sheff Utd have a lot of full backs that appear decent and that may be the case, or it may be the team deliberately looks to use them more. Another Barnsley player, Callum Brittain could be achievable. It's a good point. Firstly you assume better players play for better teams in a relatively free market. This is a first sweep based on what a player has been asked to do and it's just this season. You need to build up a profile. So you then look into role within the team, team system, how he's performed against his peers within the team, etc. Stand out, bad or good seasons are the most interesting. Wonder why Sawyers hasn't particularly impressed at Stoke, especially in a deeper role, when his career high was in 2018/19 playing a deep lying role at Brentford. It's because at Brentford 2018/19 he hovered up all the stray balls in the middle of the park. That's not been the case at Stoke, probably because as a side we haven't generated those opportunities for him. All those loose balls Sawyers picked up fuelled his passes, but they've declined as well. It's become an ugly, vicious circle, not really of his making, but it's not because he can't be used playing deeper. There's two main ways to evaluate player performance, top down, where you look at the team's overall performance in a game and then see who played & distribute credit and a bottom up method whereby you value every individual on field action. (That's the one I've used for the Infogol player ratings). Then you look at efficiency figures, rather than raw numbers. Winning three tackles a game is opportunity and team quality based, but winning 60% of tackles when the overall average for your position is only 56% is more talent based. It's a huge topic, that quickly needs a specialist, position and role based approach and a data based input is essential. I find this stuff is fascinating, thank you for sharing all so openly.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 8, 2022 12:25:06 GMT
It's a good point. Firstly you assume better players play for better teams in a relatively free market. This is a first sweep based on what a player has been asked to do and it's just this season. You need to build up a profile. So you then look into role within the team, team system, how he's performed against his peers within the team, etc. Stand out, bad or good seasons are the most interesting. Wonder why Sawyers hasn't particularly impressed at Stoke, especially in a deeper role, when his career high was in 2018/19 playing a deep lying role at Brentford. It's because at Brentford 2018/19 he hovered up all the stray balls in the middle of the park. That's not been the case at Stoke, probably because as a side we haven't generated those opportunities for him. All those loose balls Sawyers picked up fuelled his passes, but they've declined as well. It's become an ugly, vicious circle, not really of his making, but it's not because he can't be used playing deeper. There's two main ways to evaluate player performance, top down, where you look at the team's overall performance in a game and then see who played & distribute credit and a bottom up method whereby you value every individual on field action. (That's the one I've used for the Infogol player ratings). Then you look at efficiency figures, rather than raw numbers. Winning three tackles a game is opportunity and team quality based, but winning 60% of tackles when the overall average for your position is only 56% is more talent based. It's a huge topic, that quickly needs a specialist, position and role based approach and a data based input is essential. I find this stuff is fascinating, thank you for sharing all so openly. As opposed to privately with friends? 🤪
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Post by gaznandi on May 8, 2022 12:25:41 GMT
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Post by robwahlmann on May 8, 2022 12:51:33 GMT
I really hope we have been in contact with Rothwell!
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 8, 2022 15:54:19 GMT
I really hope we have been in contact with Rothwell! Why, did he leave something in the changing room?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2022 15:58:37 GMT
Rothwell would be an excellent signing. Would we have a chance?
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Post by nonameface on May 8, 2022 16:32:47 GMT
I really hope we have been in contact with Rothwell! Why, did he leave something in the changing room? Maybe he did it deliberately so he'd get a call from us?
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Post by theteacher on May 8, 2022 16:57:38 GMT
Question that has been on my mind for a while:
Could an organisation like let’s say Bet365 employ a person as a “marketing executive” on something like £30k/week part time and the said same person (player) sign “part time” for a club like Stoke on let’s say £10k/week?
Would it be allowed?
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Post by nonameface on May 8, 2022 17:01:01 GMT
Question that has been on my mind for a while: Could an organisation like let’s say Bet365 employ a person as a “marketing executive” on something like £30k/week part time and the said same person (player) sign “part time” for a club like Stoke on let’s say £10k/week? Would it be allowed? Think this is what man city did with a previous manager and why they are or have been under scrutiny. So most likely not.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 8, 2022 17:17:25 GMT
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Post by TinkerT on May 8, 2022 17:25:04 GMT
We are certainly interested, we should be going balls deep for him. Him Baker and Powell in a 3 is ideal and transforms our team overnight
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 8, 2022 17:28:36 GMT
We are certainly interested, we should be going balls deep for him. Him Baker and Powell in a 3 is ideal and transforms our team overnight On his way to Bournemouth apparently
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Post by tachyon on May 8, 2022 17:54:37 GMT
Doing the end of season stock taking, so here are the performance ratings of the Championship midfielders. Attachment DeletedNominal positions at their most fluid here. I haven't sorted out those who've barely played any minutes.
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Post by clarkeda on May 8, 2022 18:05:17 GMT
I find this stuff is fascinating, thank you for sharing all so openly. As opposed to privately with friends? 🤪 Banter 🙄 I’m sure he doesn’t have to share slot of the information he does especially if he considers it as ‘work’.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 8, 2022 20:04:17 GMT
As opposed to privately with friends? 🤪 Banter 🙄 I’m sure he doesn’t have to share slot of the information he does especially if he considers it as ‘work’. My comment was related to a previous poster mate, not Tachyon, who I know personally and was at school with 👍
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