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Post by werrington on Jul 12, 2024 7:44:55 GMT
Reports coming out we plan on keeping Southgate for the next World Cup no matter the result on Sunday.... He’ll step away I reckon mate …..no matter the result Sunday Cmon England
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 12, 2024 7:47:26 GMT
Reports coming out we plan on keeping Southgate for the next World Cup no matter the result on Sunday.... He’ll step away I reckon mate …..no matter the result Sunday Cmon England Agree. Eight years is enough in that job. Longest serving England gaffer since Bob Robson
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jul 12, 2024 8:01:36 GMT
Reports coming out we plan on keeping Southgate for the next World Cup no matter the result on Sunday.... Shades of Pulis at Stoke here, albeit with a more successful potential end to the reign. Do we go on with this quite frankly turgid and extremely frustrating (but effective) brand of football or look elsewhere for something a bit more sexy.
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Post by lordb on Jul 12, 2024 8:19:32 GMT
Reports coming out we plan on keeping Southgate for the next World Cup no matter the result on Sunday.... Shades of Pulis at Stoke here, albeit with a more successful potential end to the reign. Do we go on with this quite frankly turgid and extremely frustrating (but effective) brand of football or look elsewhere for something a bit more sexy. Who could England get? No English candidates of merit atm Klopp, no chance Pochettino? Could they afford him? Would he take the job? Postecoglu? Same as Poch
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 12, 2024 8:22:24 GMT
The candidates are the issue I agree, pretty difficult position we're in.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 12, 2024 8:27:58 GMT
Shades of Pulis at Stoke here, albeit with a more successful potential end to the reign. Do we go on with this quite frankly turgid and extremely frustrating (but effective) brand of football or look elsewhere for something a bit more sexy. Who could England get? No English candidates of merit atm Klopp, no chance Pochettino? Could they afford him? Would he take the job? Postecoglu? Same as Poch Hopefully we’ll find out quite soon. There again changing our manager can only do so much. International football is packed to the rafters will dour coaches and as a result it’s as dull as dishwater.
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Post by adri2008 on Jul 12, 2024 8:34:00 GMT
I think Southgate has probably had enough after this tournament and regardless of the result on Sunday, it'd be leaving on a high which he deserves. You must have to be very thick skinned to do the England job when you have every pundit/armchair fan ranting and raving about every decision that's made.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 12, 2024 8:40:59 GMT
Yeah I think its probably best for his mental health and the memories for him to leave on a high - even more so if we WIN the thing - he can retire at the top.
Ive no idea of the replacement, only to say for some kind of continuity he MUST be an englishman.
Southgate has proven from his own experience, that most of the problem is getting the team motivated and in the right mind-space to play at tournaments. Its fine having tactical tinker-men (Eriksson and Capello), but creating the right club like atmosphere is the most important. A foreign coach will just never really be able to create that internal "we are england" atmosphere that seems to be very important for our players - especially the young ones.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 12, 2024 8:46:49 GMT
Reports coming out we plan on keeping Southgate for the next World Cup no matter the result on Sunday.... Really hope not. It's time for him and the FA to move on. Carsley or Potter I would imagine are favourites. Whether they'd try and get Howe out of the Toon is another possibility.
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Post by serpico on Jul 12, 2024 9:00:21 GMT
What if Spain have been over hyped ? They were 5th or 6th favourites prior to the tournament, yes they’ve beaten Germany and France but neither are the sides they used to be, France could barely score a goal and the Germans are still in a transitional phase, I think we’ve got a real good chance on Sunday!
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 12, 2024 9:07:19 GMT
What if Spain have been over hyped ? They were 5th or 6th favourites prior to the tournament, yes they’ve beaten Germany and France but neither are the sides they used to be, France could barely score a goal and the Germans are still in a transitional phase, I think we’ve got a real good chance on Sunday! They do look just very good though. However I would say that of all the games we play this tournament that the "negative" set-up by Southgate is perfect against this Spain side. We can play a low-block without the ball, and make it way too busy in the central midfield areas for Spain to pass through us as they like to do. We have the Wing-Backs to defend against the great Spanish wingers - which means they can be doubled up on if we want to restrict their options. It might turn into a game of chess which is what Southgate has been aiming to do all tournament really. Keep the game slow and dull and wait for a moment of brilliance from an England player. So tactically this might be the best game management from Southgate. It just looked more awful against the likes of Slovenia/ Denmark and Slovakia
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Post by serpico on Jul 12, 2024 9:11:19 GMT
What if Spain have been over hyped ? They were 5th or 6th favourites prior to the tournament, yes they’ve beaten Germany and France but neither are the sides they used to be, France could barely score a goal and the Germans are still in a transitional phase, I think we’ve got a real good chance on Sunday! They do look just very good though. However I would say that of all the games we play this tournament that the "negative" set-up by Southgate is perfect against this Spain side. We can play a low-block without the ball, and make it way too busy in the central midfield areas for Spain to pass through us as they like to do. We have the Wing-Backs to defend against the great Spanish wingers - which means they can be doubled up on if we want to restrict their options. It might turn into a game of chess which is what Southgate has been aiming to do all tournament really. Keep the game slow and dull and wait for a moment of brilliance from an England player. So tactically this might be the best game management from Southgate. It just looked more awful against the likes of Slovenia/ Denmark and Slovakia Someone needs to stick a reducer on that 16 year old early doors, rattle into him, we cannot allow a kid to dictate things!
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 12, 2024 9:20:09 GMT
Reports coming out we plan on keeping Southgate for the next World Cup no matter the result on Sunday.... Really hope not. It's time for him and the FA to move on. Carsley or Potter I would imagine are favourites. Whether they'd try and get Howe out of the Toon is another possibility. I think you need at least some club management experience behind you to tackle the national job properly, so that would rule Carsley out for me at this stage. Potter’s failure at Chelsea with world class players showed him up a bit. He wasn’t handling the pressure well and he would get the same abuse (if not more) from England fans if he didn’t produce the goods. Has to be Eddie Howe for me. He has produced a good Newcastle team and what he achieved at Bournemouth is sensational.
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Post by adri2008 on Jul 12, 2024 9:21:50 GMT
What if Spain have been over hyped ? They were 5th or 6th favourites prior to the tournament, yes they’ve beaten Germany and France but neither are the sides they used to be, France could barely score a goal and the Germans are still in a transitional phase, I think we’ve got a real good chance on Sunday! Will suit us to be against a team that will attack us. Obviously there's a high risk of conceding but it gives our own attackers space to play. We've struggled to break down teams who have stifled the midfield.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 12, 2024 9:28:14 GMT
They do look just very good though. However I would say that of all the games we play this tournament that the "negative" set-up by Southgate is perfect against this Spain side. We can play a low-block without the ball, and make it way too busy in the central midfield areas for Spain to pass through us as they like to do. We have the Wing-Backs to defend against the great Spanish wingers - which means they can be doubled up on if we want to restrict their options. It might turn into a game of chess which is what Southgate has been aiming to do all tournament really. Keep the game slow and dull and wait for a moment of brilliance from an England player. So tactically this might be the best game management from Southgate. It just looked more awful against the likes of Slovenia/ Denmark and Slovakia Someone needs to stick a reducer on that 16 year old early doors, rattle into him, we cannot allow a kid to dictate things! Oh aye, certainly let him know we're not going to show any mercy, not an inch..
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 12, 2024 9:29:02 GMT
What if Spain have been over hyped ? They were 5th or 6th favourites prior to the tournament, yes they’ve beaten Germany and France but neither are the sides they used to be, France could barely score a goal and the Germans are still in a transitional phase, I think we’ve got a real good chance on Sunday! Will suit us to be against a team that will attack us. Obviously there's a high risk of conceding but it gives our own attackers space to play. We've struggled to break down teams who have stifled the midfield. Spain did that to France though. I think the key to Spain is Rodri. If we can get to grips with him then we have an excellent chance. Hopefully Mainoo can throw him off because I think Rice is way off the pace.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 12, 2024 9:29:49 GMT
Really hope not. It's time for him and the FA to move on. Carsley or Potter I would imagine are favourites. Whether they'd try and get Howe out of the Toon is another possibility. I think you need at least some club management experience behind you to tackle the national job properly, so that would rule Carsley out for me at this stage. Potter’s failure at Chelsea with world class players showed him up a bit. He wasn’t handling the pressure well and he would get the same abuse (if not more) from England fans if he didn’t produce the goods. Has to be Eddie Howe for me. He has produced a good Newcastle team and what he achieved at Bournemouth is sensational. Either Howe or Carsley for me. The former has done a good jobs at Newcastle and Bournemouth and Carsley has done really well with the junior England squads. I don't think that should be overlooked because he has no club experience. It's worked for Southgate and I think it's the route the FA will go down.
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Post by cdf on Jul 12, 2024 9:30:24 GMT
Shades of Pulis at Stoke here, albeit with a more successful potential end to the reign. Do we go on with this quite frankly turgid and extremely frustrating (but effective) brand of football or look elsewhere for something a bit more sexy. Who could England get? No English candidates of merit atm Klopp, no chance Pochettino? Could they afford him? Would he take the job? Postecoglu? Same as Poch Why no chance of Klopp? He still got his property in the North West. He loves being in the UK. International football might just to suit the lifestyle that he's currently chosen where he can still spend time with his family, grandkids and plenty of time at his villa in Spain. I know that's my heart talking and not my head. I think the England job would tick a lot of boxes for Klopp The FA would not even have the foresight to even to speak to him. With Klopp in charge, we will win the World Cup
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Post by cdf on Jul 12, 2024 9:33:06 GMT
Will suit us to be against a team that will attack us. Obviously there's a high risk of conceding but it gives our own attackers space to play. We've struggled to break down teams who have stifled the midfield. Spain did that to France though. I think the key to Spain is Rodri. If we can get to grips with him then we have an excellent chance. Hopefully Mainoo can throw him off because I think Rice is way off the pace. Rice is getting a little bit over looked for his display v the Dutch because he got bullied a little for their goal BUT apart from that, I though Rice was fucking brilliant on Wednesday night. The way he played enabled Foden and Mainoo to have the games they did especially in that first half. Rice was immense in the centre
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Post by adri2008 on Jul 12, 2024 9:34:41 GMT
Will suit us to be against a team that will attack us. Obviously there's a high risk of conceding but it gives our own attackers space to play. We've struggled to break down teams who have stifled the midfield. Spain did that to France though. I think the key to Spain is Rodri. If we can get to grips with him then we have an excellent chance. Hopefully Mainoo can throw him off because I think Rice is way off the pace. We have better players than the French (with an out of sorts Mbappe). We'll get chances - we just need to take them as you can't see us not conceding at least once.
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Post by cdf on Jul 12, 2024 9:38:05 GMT
I think you need at least some club management experience behind you to tackle the national job properly, so that would rule Carsley out for me at this stage. Potter’s failure at Chelsea with world class players showed him up a bit. He wasn’t handling the pressure well and he would get the same abuse (if not more) from England fans if he didn’t produce the goods. Has to be Eddie Howe for me. He has produced a good Newcastle team and what he achieved at Bournemouth is sensational. Either Howe or Carsley for me. The former has done a good jobs at Newcastle and Bournemouth and Carsley has done really well with the junior England squads. I don't think that should be overlooked because he has no club experience. It's worked for Southgate and I think it's the route the FA will go down. The world's changed that much that I do not think that the England job is not as attractive these days as a top Premier League job which is why I think we can rule out Eddie Howe. I think for the simplicity of how the FA work, it will either be Lee Carsley or Graham Potter.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 12, 2024 9:39:02 GMT
Who could England get? No English candidates of merit atm Klopp, no chance Pochettino? Could they afford him? Would he take the job? Postecoglu? Same as Poch Why no chance of Klopp? He still got his property in the North West. He loves being in the UK. International football might just to suit the lifestyle that he's currently chosen where he can still spend time with his family, grandkids and plenty of time at his villa in Spain. I know that's my heart talking and not my head. I think the England job would tick a lot of boxes for Klopp The FA would not even have the foresight to even to speak to him. With Klopp in charge, we will win the World Cup Needs to be English. There is no guarantee of success with any manager, we've had them all. The nearest we've been is with a manager who relegated Boro.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jul 12, 2024 9:44:46 GMT
Shades of Pulis at Stoke here, albeit with a more successful potential end to the reign. Do we go on with this quite frankly turgid and extremely frustrating (but effective) brand of football or look elsewhere for something a bit more sexy. Who could England get? No English candidates of merit atm Klopp, no chance Pochettino? Could they afford him? Would he take the job? Postecoglu? Same as Poch Paul Lambert
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 12, 2024 9:44:57 GMT
Spain have looked the best side, there's no denying that, but we shouldn't be afraid of them. I'd have more English players in a combined 11.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 12, 2024 9:52:24 GMT
Why no chance of Klopp? He still got his property in the North West. He loves being in the UK. International football might just to suit the lifestyle that he's currently chosen where he can still spend time with his family, grandkids and plenty of time at his villa in Spain. I know that's my heart talking and not my head. I think the England job would tick a lot of boxes for Klopp The FA would not even have the foresight to even to speak to him. With Klopp in charge, we will win the World Cup Needs to be English. There is no guarantee of success with any manager, we've had them all. The nearest we've been is with a manager who relegated Boro. Southgate has 3 maybe 4 world class players and then some really solid players like Rice, Mainoo and Pickford. We are the standout team and have been for a few years. We have players who can't get in the England team who would walk into most big teams. Southgate has dropped on, we still need a better manager and I would look abroad because there is too much fear in how Southgate speaks. We could win despite him, we should be out
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 12, 2024 9:57:47 GMT
Spain did that to France though. I think the key to Spain is Rodri. If we can get to grips with him then we have an excellent chance. Hopefully Mainoo can throw him off because I think Rice is way off the pace. Rice is getting a little bit over looked for his display v the Dutch because he got bullied a little for their goal BUT apart from that, I though Rice was fucking brilliant on Wednesday night. The way he played enabled Foden and Mainoo to have the games they did especially in that first half. Rice was immense in the centre I like him and expected big things from him. I just feel he’s been slow to impose himself on games. Maybe it’s the job he’s been given but I feel he’s playing on the back foot too much and looks a bit lacking in confidence. I was hoping he’d evolve into our Roy Keane and that would happen this tournament. I still think he’ll come good but I’ve been a bit underwhelmed this tournament. Maybe I’m being harsh.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 12, 2024 9:58:45 GMT
Spain did that to France though. I think the key to Spain is Rodri. If we can get to grips with him then we have an excellent chance. Hopefully Mainoo can throw him off because I think Rice is way off the pace. We have better players than the French (with an out of sorts Mbappe). We'll get chances - we just need to take them as you can't see us not conceding at least once. Yeah I definitely think it could be a very high scoring match!
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 12, 2024 10:09:58 GMT
Needs to be English. There is no guarantee of success with any manager, we've had them all. The nearest we've been is with a manager who relegated Boro. Southgate has 3 maybe 4 world class players and then some really solid players like Rice, Mainoo and Pickford. We are the standout team and have been for a few years. We have players who can't get in the England team who would walk into most big teams. Southgate has dropped on, we still need a better manager and I would look abroad because there is too much fear in how Southgate speaks. We could win despite him, we should be out So did Eriksson and Cappelo
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 12, 2024 10:12:40 GMT
Shades of Pulis at Stoke here, albeit with a more successful potential end to the reign. Do we go on with this quite frankly turgid and extremely frustrating (but effective) brand of football or look elsewhere for something a bit more sexy. Who could England get? No English candidates of merit atm Klopp, no chance Pochettino? Could they afford him? Would he take the job? Postecoglu? Same as Poch Why Klopp no chance? Does he not want to stay in football but for it not to be all consuming?
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 12, 2024 10:14:33 GMT
Rice is getting a little bit over looked for his display v the Dutch because he got bullied a little for their goal BUT apart from that, I though Rice was fucking brilliant on Wednesday night. The way he played enabled Foden and Mainoo to have the games they did especially in that first half. Rice was immense in the centre I like him and expected big things from him. I just feel he’s been slow to impose himself on games. Maybe it’s the job he’s been given but I feel he’s playing on the back foot too much and looks a bit lacking in confidence. I was hoping he’d evolve into our Roy Keane and that would happen this tournament. I still think he’ll come good but I’ve been a bit underwhelmed this tournament. Maybe I’m being harsh. A bit harsh I think but huge test for him against Rodri on Sunday. He can't leave his side for a second.
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