England

[mattador78]

Sept 10, 2024 20:40:44 GMT thisisouryear said:

Good performance by England, they looked like they were enjoying it at the end

Matterface equals mute

[thisisouryear]

Sept 10, 2024 20:48:29 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Sept 10, 2024 20:40:03 GMT thisisouryear said:

And they are wrong, the left side kills his strengths. He just doesn't look the same player when played there

I’d love to see him playing a free role tbh. But I think with an emphasis on goals as well as link up play.

Foden is currently our best player, Bellingham may surpass him but right now for me Foden is the best player England have. He should have a free role, his touch and link up play is up there with the best in the world, why restrict him. Let him flow and he will play better in an England shirt

[JoeinOz]

England were very impressive. A lot to like. Apart from the inswinging corners.
We were more varied and hit a few long passes and stretched the Finns well.
Two wins two clean sheets.

[bayernoatcake]

Sept 10, 2024 20:53:17 GMT thisisouryear said:

Sept 10, 2024 20:48:29 GMT bayernoatcake said:

I’d love to see him playing a free role tbh. But I think with an emphasis on goals as well as link up play.

Foden is currently our best player, Bellingham may surpass him but right now for me Foden is the best player England have. He should have a free role, his touch and link up play is up there with the best in the world, why restrict him. Let him flow and he will play better in an England shirt

I’d love to see this:

Rice Bellingham

Saka Palmer Gordon

Foden

The positions of the front 4 are very much notional and they go wherever the fuck they want when we have the ball.

[lstokie]

Sept 10, 2024 20:17:57 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Sept 10, 2024 20:10:11 GMT thisisouryear said:

You hit the target then anything can happen. Kane made the space and got a shot away and scored, it's good forward play

It was a very good touch and turn. Awful from the keeper though.

And he’s (Kane) has been poor overall again.

A striker scores both goals in a 2-0 win, in a competitive international match & you describe him as poor overall. No wonder everybody thinks you're a clown. You really are boring at this point

[bayernoatcake]

Sept 10, 2024 21:00:49 GMT lstokie said:

Sept 10, 2024 20:17:57 GMT bayernoatcake said:

It was a very good touch and turn. Awful from the keeper though.

And he’s (Kane) has been poor overall again.

A striker scores both goals in a 2-0 win, in a competitive international match & you describe him as poor overall. No wonder everybody thinks you're a clown. You really are boring at this point

Cool story.

But he was.

He’s pretty much the opposite of the fresh players around him. He stands out like a sore thumb.

[jesusmcmuffin]

Sept 10, 2024 21:00:49 GMT lstokie said:

Sept 10, 2024 20:17:57 GMT bayernoatcake said:

It was a very good touch and turn. Awful from the keeper though.

And he’s (Kane) has been poor overall again.

A striker scores both goals in a 2-0 win, in a competitive international match & you describe him as poor overall. No wonder everybody thinks you're a clown. You really are boring at this point

Attention seeker more like

[fishlovesoatcakes]

Sept 10, 2024 21:04:09 GMT jesusmcmuffin said:

Sept 10, 2024 21:00:49 GMT lstokie said:

A striker scores both goals in a 2-0 win, in a competitive international match & you describe him as poor overall. No wonder everybody thinks you're a clown. You really are boring at this point

Attention seeker more like

Hopefully, tonight's absolute bollocks will calm him for a while. He'll be back on when we lose our next game calling for a new manager. You honestly couldn't write it🤦‍♂️

[bayernoatcake]

Sept 10, 2024 21:09:34 GMT fishlovesoatcakes said:

Sept 10, 2024 21:04:09 GMT jesusmcmuffin said:

Attention seeker more like

Hopefully, tonight's absolute bollocks will calm him for a while. He'll be back on when we lose our next game calling for a new manager. You honestly couldn't write it🤦‍♂️

Tonight just showed the difference between the new younger players and Kane. He’s slow and pedestrian.

The sooner we drop him, the sooner we will win something.

[thisisouryear]

Sept 10, 2024 21:00:34 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Sept 10, 2024 20:53:17 GMT thisisouryear said:

Foden is currently our best player, Bellingham may surpass him but right now for me Foden is the best player England have. He should have a free role, his touch and link up play is up there with the best in the world, why restrict him. Let him flow and he will play better in an England shirt

I’d love to see this:

Rice Bellingham

Saka Palmer Gordon

Foden

The positions of the front 4 are very much notional and they go wherever the fuck they want when we have the ball.

I would switch Saka with Palmer and play Foden in the middle of the 3, we need Foden and Bellingham nearer each other as they are the 2 that will unlock teams. I would still go Kane up front, a more attack minded style of play will force him to stay up front. It's the style of play with Kane, we need to be on the front foot so he can stay around box. He's scored 68 goals in 100 games, I don't care what you think no other striker we have will get near those numbers. His finishing tonight.. especially the 2nd goal was top quality striking. Kane barely drifted tonight and made a lot of good runs and got 2 goals, perhaps could have had more

[fishlovesoatcakes]

Sept 10, 2024 21:12:10 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Sept 10, 2024 21:09:34 GMT fishlovesoatcakes said:

Hopefully, tonight's absolute bollocks will calm him for a while. He'll be back on when we lose our next game calling for a new manager. You honestly couldn't write it🤦‍♂️

Tonight just showed the difference between the new younger players and Kane. He’s slow and pedestrian.

The sooner we drop him, the sooner we will win something.

Keep digging mate. 2 goals in a 2-0 win. Comedy gold.

[bayernoatcake]

Sept 10, 2024 21:13:38 GMT thisisouryear said:

Sept 10, 2024 21:00:34 GMT bayernoatcake said:

I’d love to see this:

Rice Bellingham

Saka Palmer Gordon

Foden

The positions of the front 4 are very much notional and they go wherever the fuck they want when we have the ball.

I would switch Saka with Palmer and play Foden in the middle of the 3, we need Foden and Bellingham nearer each other as they are the 2 that will unlock teams. I would still go Kane up front, a more attack minded style of play will force him to stay up front. It's the style of play with Kane, we need to be on the front foot so he can stay around box. He's scored 68 goals in 100 games, I don't care what you think no other striker we have will get near those numbers. His finishing tonight.. especially the 2nd goal was top quality striking. Kane barely drifted tonight and made a lot of good runs and got 2 goals, perhaps could have had more

I genuinely think Kane is the main reason (other than Southgate) as to why we’ve won nowt when we probably should have done.

I think he stunts the play so much with his have a go hero routine.

I don’t want us to play with a striker tbh. We don’t need one.

[bayernoatcake]

Sept 10, 2024 21:15:53 GMT fishlovesoatcakes said:

Sept 10, 2024 21:12:10 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Tonight just showed the difference between the new younger players and Kane. He’s slow and pedestrian.

The sooner we drop him, the sooner we will win something.

Keep digging mate. 2 goals in a 2-0 win. Comedy gold.

And?

He’s shown why tonight and in the last 6 years why his play kills us overall.

The goals mean nothing. Sadly.

[fishlovesoatcakes]

Sept 10, 2024 21:18:51 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Sept 10, 2024 21:15:53 GMT fishlovesoatcakes said:

Keep digging mate. 2 goals in a 2-0 win. Comedy gold.

And?

He’s shown why tonight and in the last 6 years why his play kills us overall.

The goals mean nothing. Sadly.

Apart from winning the game....🤡. Night night.

[bayernoatcake]

Sept 10, 2024 21:26:39 GMT fishlovesoatcakes said:

Sept 10, 2024 21:18:51 GMT bayernoatcake said:

And?

He’s shown why tonight and in the last 6 years why his play kills us overall.

The goals mean nothing. Sadly.

Apart from winning the game....🤡. Night night.

He’s won plenty of games for us and it’s meant fuck all.

We’d be a better team without him.

[JoeinOz]

Sept 10, 2024 21:30:10 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Sept 10, 2024 21:26:39 GMT fishlovesoatcakes said:

Apart from winning the game....🤡. Night night.

He’s won plenty of games for us and it’s meant fuck all.

We’d be a better team without him.

In today's game he was the quality player making the difference. He received the ball for his first goal with two markers. He wrong footed them and slammed a ruthless finish in. Brilliant work.
You've forced yourself so far into a corner you can't acknowledge when he does something well. And it's absurd.

[bjarnig]

Sept 10, 2024 21:30:10 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Sept 10, 2024 21:26:39 GMT fishlovesoatcakes said:

Apart from winning the game....🤡. Night night.

He’s won plenty of games for us and it’s meant fuck all.

We’d be a better team without him.

Kane in his prime was great.
But he's been poor for a long time now against decent opponents.

I'm not letting 2 goals against Finland bail him out of the shit show in the summer.

I'd rid him now as he'll be 33 at the next world cup and won't have the pace (which was a problem even this summer).

We don't have any really decent traditional centre forwards so I'd go with either Gordon, Palmer or Foden through the centre.

[thehartshillbadger]

Sept 10, 2024 22:25:35 GMT bjarnig said:

Sept 10, 2024 21:30:10 GMT bayernoatcake said:

He’s won plenty of games for us and it’s meant fuck all.

We’d be a better team without him.

Kane in his prime was great.
But he's been poor for a long time now against decent opponents.

I'm not letting 2 goals against Finland bail him out of the shit show in the summer.

I'd rid him now as he'll be 33 at the next world cup and won't have the pace (which was a problem even this summer).

We don't have any really decent traditional centre forwards so I'd go with either Gordon, Palmer or Foden through the centre.

Palmer is the most natural finisher but I want to see Solanke given a go first

[thisisouryear]

Sept 10, 2024 21:17:40 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Sept 10, 2024 21:13:38 GMT thisisouryear said:

I would switch Saka with Palmer and play Foden in the middle of the 3, we need Foden and Bellingham nearer each other as they are the 2 that will unlock teams. I would still go Kane up front, a more attack minded style of play will force him to stay up front. It's the style of play with Kane, we need to be on the front foot so he can stay around box. He's scored 68 goals in 100 games, I don't care what you think no other striker we have will get near those numbers. His finishing tonight.. especially the 2nd goal was top quality striking. Kane barely drifted tonight and made a lot of good runs and got 2 goals, perhaps could have had more

I genuinely think Kane is the main reason (other than Southgate) as to why we’ve won nowt when we probably should have done.

I think he stunts the play so much with his have a go hero routine.

I don’t want us to play with a striker tbh. We don’t need one.

Kane is a world class striker, tonight was one of his better games but that's because we played a style of football that suited him. Southgate is a shit manager whose tactics drowned out any service to Kane which made him try going deeper to be a part of the game. Kane will do fine if we try to attack more. He bangs them in week in week out at club level so he's not past it just yet. Carsley I think gets what England need, he wants the players to play forward and tonight they showed glimpses of a very good side. You should really see what a new manager can bring to the team and judge Kane under them, he's done nothing wrong under Carsley and hasn't drifted anywhere near as much

[jebbstuart]

The problem with home games is every team comes and parks the bus the only two recent teams that have given England a game were Italy first half and Belgium.
Its only when you play the better sides that you can really see how good England are, thats not very often.
Thought Trent Alexander and Grealish had good games plenty of running and taking up good positions, both covered a lot of ground and were positive in the approach play and always wanted the ball.
Had a seat on the half way line tonight, a chance to see some entertaining quality football.

[FullerMagic]

[JoeinOz]

Surprised Slanky is there. I know he's scored a couple but it's a surprise.

[Pugsley]

We miss a Rhodri type player. Rice isn't top top quality. Whether Mainoo can develop into that role is another question.

[emretezzy]

Oct 3, 2024 13:35:40 GMT Pugsley said:

We miss a Rhodri type player. Rice isn't top top quality. Whether Mainoo can develop into that role is another question.

I'd say Rico Lewis is the most likely in that squad.

I hope Wharton signs for City and he gets played there as well as he's amazing on the half turn with the ball.

[FullerMagic]

Could be quite an interesting selection this week - or as interesting as England XIs in non-tournament games get. Not often genuine superstars are left out

Assuming it'll be something like:

Pickford
TAA-Stones-Guehi-Colwill/Lewis
Rice
Kane (if fit)

...the other 4 places are hard to guess.

But Palmer looks pretty hard to leave out at the moment, and can't remember the last time Saka didn't play in a meaningful game.

Carsley will want a convincing performance to try and sew up the job, and maybe want to try and differentiate himself from Southgate by leaving out a superstar or two in search of balance - which could mean playing Gordon.

Suppose he could try and be funky by moving one or two of the big names deeper and fudge it by playing one of them on the left and sacrifice Gordon, but it'll be interesting to see whose ego is bruised by being left out because the Greece game looks the much tougher game and the one where he'll show his hand

In normal circumstances, Grealish would be hard to leave out after his performances last month - but he'll probably leave him and Foden out and try and cobble together a formation including Palmer and Bellingham.

Not sure playing Palmer on the left really is the answer, but it's the most obvious fudge.

[delilahwhy]

Oct 8, 2024 19:04:17 GMT FullerMagic said:

Could be quite an interesting selection this week - or as interesting as England XIs in non-tournament game get. Not often genuine superstars are left out

Assuming it'll be something like:

Pickford
TAA-Stones-Guehi-Colwill/Lewis
Rice
Kane (if fit)

...the other 4 places are hard to guess. But Palmer looks pretty hard to leave out at the moment, and can't remember the last time Saka didn't play in a meaningful game.

Carsley will want a convincing performance to try and sew up the job, and maybe want to try and differentiate himself from Southgate by leaving out a superstar or two in search of balance - which could mean playing Gordon.

Suppose he could try and be funky by moving one or two of the big names deeper and fudge it by playing one of them on the left and sacrifice Gordon, but it'll be interesting to see whose ego is bruised by being left out because the Greece game looks the much tougher game.

In normal circumstances, Grealish would be hard to leave out after his performances last month - but he'll probably leave him and Foden out and try and cobble together a formation including Palmer and Bellingham.

Not sure playing Palmer on the left really is the answer, but it's the most obvious fudge.

Palmer has to play behind Kane/Watkins (centrally).

Saka on the right. Gordon on the left (prefer his pace. Grealish from the bench).

Foden misses out due to not playing much this season. He's the easy one to leave out.

Drop Bellingham into a 2 with Rice.

[thehartshillbadger]

Oct 8, 2024 19:04:17 GMT FullerMagic said:

Could be quite an interesting selection this week - or as interesting as England XIs in non-tournament games get. Not often genuine superstars are left out

Assuming it'll be something like:

Pickford
TAA-Stones-Guehi-Colwill/Lewis
Rice
Kane (if fit)

...the other 4 places are hard to guess.

But Palmer looks pretty hard to leave out at the moment, and can't remember the last time Saka didn't play in a meaningful game.

Carsley will want a convincing performance to try and sew up the job, and maybe want to try and differentiate himself from Southgate by leaving out a superstar or two in search of balance - which could mean playing Gordon.

Suppose he could try and be funky by moving one or two of the big names deeper and fudge it by playing one of them on the left and sacrifice Gordon, but it'll be interesting to see whose ego is bruised by being left out because the Greece game looks the much tougher game and the one where he'll show his hand

In normal circumstances, Grealish would be hard to leave out after his performances last month - but he'll probably leave him and Foden out and try and cobble together a formation including Palmer and Bellingham.

Not sure playing Palmer on the left really is the answer, but it's the most obvious fudge.

Fact is, unlike Sir Gareth he played round pegs in round holes so far so it’s a yes from me. If these so called “superstars” don’t fit the system then what’s the point? I like him already

[mickeythemaestro]

Oct 8, 2024 19:12:23 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

Oct 8, 2024 19:04:17 GMT FullerMagic said:

Could be quite an interesting selection this week - or as interesting as England XIs in non-tournament games get. Not often genuine superstars are left out

Assuming it'll be something like:

Pickford
TAA-Stones-Guehi-Colwill/Lewis
Rice
Kane (if fit)

...the other 4 places are hard to guess.

But Palmer looks pretty hard to leave out at the moment, and can't remember the last time Saka didn't play in a meaningful game.

Carsley will want a convincing performance to try and sew up the job, and maybe want to try and differentiate himself from Southgate by leaving out a superstar or two in search of balance - which could mean playing Gordon.

Suppose he could try and be funky by moving one or two of the big names deeper and fudge it by playing one of them on the left and sacrifice Gordon, but it'll be interesting to see whose ego is bruised by being left out because the Greece game looks the much tougher game and the one where he'll show his hand

In normal circumstances, Grealish would be hard to leave out after his performances last month - but he'll probably leave him and Foden out and try and cobble together a formation including Palmer and Bellingham.

Not sure playing Palmer on the left really is the answer, but it's the most obvious fudge.

Fact is, unlike Sir Gareth he played round pegs in round holes so far so it’s a yes from me. If these so called “superstars” don’t fit the system then what’s the point? I like him already

So long as he keeps picking Kane to keep Bayern happy 😉

[thehartshillbadger]

Oct 8, 2024 19:21:14 GMT mickeythemaestro said:

Oct 8, 2024 19:12:23 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

Fact is, unlike Sir Gareth he played round pegs in round holes so far so it’s a yes from me. If these so called “superstars” don’t fit the system then what’s the point? I like him already

So long as he keeps picking Kane to keep Bayern happy 😉

Well he is a striker so it makes sense really😉

[JoeinOz]

We can assume Carso wants the job. The aimless rubbish about singing the national anthem hopefully won't materialise again.