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Post by Pugsley on Jul 11, 2024 11:40:11 GMT
Really? International football is totally different than Club football where a manager has far less time with the players. If you say so mate 😊 I do because it's true.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 11, 2024 11:41:59 GMT
I think our mate Rob sums it up
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 11, 2024 11:43:25 GMT
I think our mate Rob sums it up Yawn. He'd have Ben Pearson in midfield.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 11, 2024 11:50:53 GMT
Kane is absolutely nowhere near his best and Bellingham is peripheral. His body language last night was terrible. Maybe he was pissed off at being pushed to the left to accommodate Foden. No matter, Jude needs to step up a level and start to dominate play. Kane would look better if Watkins was on the left. Kane doesn't suit the team at all he's been a passenger all tournament. Bellingham is young but he is class, he's had a long season which looks like it is catching up with him but I wouldn't drop him as the experience will only make him better for the future. Trippier not being far enough forward didn't help 1st half, 2nd half both teams just cancelled eachother out.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 11, 2024 11:58:26 GMT
Southgate will be missed, and I do think he'll step down after this tournament whatever happens. We'll go backwards when he does. Just got to enjoy it now, only us or Spain can win it and we've got further than 22 other teams. Definite underdogs in the final, but we do have a lot of quality ourselves and anything can happen. Go on lads. We are above Spain in the FIFA rankings and they are even below the Netherlands. Netherlands had looked pretty good before they played us, I expected a lot more from them but we made them look poor. Spain have looked good but think it's best to judge them on how they play against us, I thought Germany were the better team against Spain but wasted a lot of good chances, defensively Spain don't look good so we have a chance
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 11, 2024 11:58:34 GMT
Not even close to ALL he offers... In this tournament as a whole, what else has he really brought to the table? I aren't putting it all on him, he doesn't look fit at all and from his interview after the challenge for the penalty apparently had him struggling too. But at the moment both Watkins and Toney are offering far more and would work better with the team he is picking around Kane. I don't think I'm saying anything that isn't clear to see from all of the games in this tournament. I don't disagree. I was coming at it more from his undoubted ability, class is permanent and all that, but also what guidance he offers the rest of the squad during the tournament. Not least the younger strikers. But yeah he does appear out of form. I'd suggest an earlier 2nd half substitution in the final perhaps..
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Post by adri2008 on Jul 11, 2024 12:28:51 GMT
Do we actually have any strikers coming through to replace Kane? - Watkins and Toney aren't exactly young themselves.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 11, 2024 12:32:03 GMT
To be fair, they changed their tactics to address that, so tactically it was a different set up, they seemed to put more effort into blocking that option. Koeman completely changed their set up to be fair and they were the better team second half. They didn’t create much though and we were always a threat on the break. I'm not sure they were the better team but they were in the game more than the first half. His changes squeezed our midfield which was running riot. It was clear that we needed pace in behind to open things up. The manager saw it and brought Watkins on and we won the game. Amazing. It was an excellent performance and result against a well coached Dutch side who, without superstars, were technically proficient.
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Jul 11, 2024 12:34:35 GMT
Do we actually have any strikers coming through to replace Kane? - Watkins and Toney aren't exactly young themselves. Things can happen quickly in football, I'd never even heard of Mainoo a year ago and he's now arguably one of our most important players.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 11, 2024 12:40:38 GMT
Really enjoyed last night obviously. Thinking about it this morning, the feeling from Watkins scoring a last minute winner to put England into the Euros final was not even a fraction of what Stoke scoring a last minute winner away at Swansea on a Tuesday night in a mid table Championship clash feels like. Wish I could feel as passionately as others Agree Tommy, that it is a different feeling altogether. I love watching England and and have always wanted to see us win something in my lifetime!! The beauty is I can actually look forward to the game on Sunday, and you know if they lose then it won't feel anywhere near as bad as ANY Stoke loss. I won't feel physically sick before the game, or like someone has kicked me in the bollocks afterwards. Just enjoy it mate, the real pain starts in August!! Yes you’re right. I will be absolutely delighted if they win but if they don’t then I won’t be too disappointed. I think it’s the beauty of supporting a middling football team like Stoke, it’s quite a unique experience shared largely with several thousand people from your local area. Which feels more special to me anyway. It probably wouldn’t even be the same if you supported Liverpool or Man United
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Post by Northy on Jul 11, 2024 13:05:00 GMT
Do we actually have any strikers coming through to replace Kane? - Watkins and Toney aren't exactly young themselves. Stansfield from the U21's? Watkins is only 28 so you'd expect him to be around for another 3 or 4 years, same for Toney who is 28.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 11, 2024 13:05:07 GMT
That first half was the best I think I ever saw England play. But according to some we need to drop a few including Kane and Foden. Mentalists. People are entitled to opinions but it gets tiresome. Even if we win it they'll still spout their utter nonsense. Im with you on this Pugsley. Yes its a messageboard so there are gonna be opinions. BUT i came on here today after the buzz of last night to hopefully relive the experience and capture that buzz. Hard to find on here
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 11, 2024 13:19:35 GMT
My own theory on Kane is that he doesnt like playing in the heat and humidity like there is currently in Germany.
Hes a pretty big unit for a striker but his game involved a hell of a lot of running. This tournament he is blowing out of his arse after 10 minutes.
I remember in the Premier League he could never score in August while the weather was still hot. Once autumn and winter arrive, he starts banging them in for fun through the rest of the season.
So I dont think hes finished as a player - but is clearly playing when not totally fit
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 11, 2024 14:10:37 GMT
Do we actually have any strikers coming through to replace Kane? - Watkins and Toney aren't exactly young themselves. Things can happen quickly in football, I'd never even heard of Mainoo a year ago and he's now arguably one of our most important players. And scarily Phillips was arguably our key man in the last Euros. As you say things can change fast!!
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Post by lordb on Jul 11, 2024 14:15:41 GMT
I think our mate Rob sums it up Yawn. He'd have Ben Pearson in midfield. Too small
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 11, 2024 14:18:02 GMT
Do we actually have any strikers coming through to replace Kane? - Watkins and Toney aren't exactly young themselves. I'm beginning to wonder if clubs are even trying to nurture strikers in their academies to the extent they did previously. They seem to be becoming rarer in this "modern" age. 🤔
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 11, 2024 14:19:03 GMT
By the way did anyone notice how our goal went in precisely on 90 minutes? Not during the 90th minute or even during the second - the ball hits the net the exact split-second moment the clock ticks on to 90:00. You can watch it back and it's like a countdown to the goal love that (apols for the commentary)
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 11, 2024 15:42:53 GMT
Yawn. He'd have Ben Pearson in midfield. Too small I mean Rob not TP
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jul 11, 2024 15:54:43 GMT
I will agree, for sure, that Southgate is excellent at creating an environment that the players feel comfortable and shielded within that allows them to deal with the constant criticism you have to be able to take playing for England. He is a poor football manager but no one at all can argue he is a very good man manager. Last night not withstanding because although he may have been better bringing the subs on earlier, the 2 he brought on set up and scored the winner, so he got it absolutely spot on. Kane is having a shit tournament though I think “poor” manager is incredibly harsh. He’s consistently led an England team into the last 4 and last 2 so many times I now have to stop and work it out! This is England. Not Brazil or Germany. And before anyone says look at the quality of our players, we’ve had good squads before and not come close to the consistency that Southgate has achieved. While he’s flawed he also has a knack of getting results. People have said he’s lucky, maybe but luck only gets you so far. Klopp, Ancellotti etc bring on two subs for the later stages of a time and they combine to score one of the goals of the tournament. They’re geniuses. Southgate is lucky. I think there’s a tendency to be way too harsh on him. Fair enough, you can't argue with the results, but I will say he's beaten very few teams in those tournaments that England absolutely should have been beating. But you can only beat whats in front of you. I think maybe I'm more thinking in game management where I think he is poor. Last night aside of course, where it was spot on. He's 90 minutes away from a knighthood for me so I'm more than happy to enjoy it and hope he gets it right, and learns from the final 3 years ago, fingers crossed for it going our way this time.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jul 11, 2024 15:58:38 GMT
In this tournament as a whole, what else has he really brought to the table? I aren't putting it all on him, he doesn't look fit at all and from his interview after the challenge for the penalty apparently had him struggling too. But at the moment both Watkins and Toney are offering far more and would work better with the team he is picking around Kane. I don't think I'm saying anything that isn't clear to see from all of the games in this tournament. I don't disagree. I was coming at it more from his undoubted ability, class is permanent and all that, but also what guidance he offers the rest of the squad during the tournament. Not least the younger strikers. But yeah he does appear out of form. I'd suggest an earlier 2nd half substitution in the final perhaps.. I think he absolutely will start the final, and if we win it it will be 100% justified I guess. He is without a doubt England's best striker, he is better than Watkins and Toney and certainly better than his showing so far. But in this tournament he shouldn't be playing realistically based on performance alone. On Sunday I just think if you bring Kane off after 60 or even 70 minutes and give Watkins a good portion of time then I don't think anyone could argue. But for large parts of that second half he was a complete passenger and basically had us playing with 10 men because he contributed nothing I'm afraid.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jul 11, 2024 16:00:34 GMT
Also, since its an England thread, how bloody good was Mainoo last night.
That kid is going to be right up there with the best if United don't stamp his positivity out of him.
He only ever wants to progress the play.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 11, 2024 16:36:10 GMT
Also, since its an England thread, how bloody good was Mainoo last night. That kid is going to be right up there with the best if United don't stamp his positivity out of him. He only ever wants to progress the play. I've watched him closely. You'll notice a number of occasions for a split second he'll consider a backwards or sideways pass but quickly change his mind and take on a forward pass instead if available. I agree he's going to be some player with a bit of luck on his side..
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 11, 2024 16:48:24 GMT
Also, since its an England thread, how bloody good was Mainoo last night. That kid is going to be right up there with the best if United don't stamp his positivity out of him. He only ever wants to progress the play. I think he’s been our best player consistently since coming into the side.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jul 11, 2024 17:08:07 GMT
Also, since its an England thread, how bloody good was Mainoo last night. That kid is going to be right up there with the best if United don't stamp his positivity out of him. He only ever wants to progress the play. I agree with all of that mate but can we please refer to them as 'The Shit' instead of United.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 11, 2024 17:12:41 GMT
Do we actually have any strikers coming through to replace Kane? - Watkins and Toney aren't exactly young themselves. I'm beginning to wonder if clubs are even trying to nurture strikers in their academies to the extent they did previously. They seem to be becoming rarer in this "modern" age. 🤔 Tezgel! A year or two of splinters in his arse from championship benches and he'll be ready to rip up Spain and France and Argentina. 👍
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 11, 2024 17:14:35 GMT
Also, since its an England thread, how bloody good was Mainoo last night. That kid is going to be right up there with the best if United don't stamp his positivity out of him. He only ever wants to progress the play. I've watched him closely. You'll notice a number of occasions for a split second he'll consider a backwards or sideways pass but quickly change his mind and take on a forward pass instead if available. I agree he's going to be some player with a bit of luck on his side.. The fact he considers options makes him less predictable so harder to cover. Thought he was really great yesterday. I wonder what the defensive side of his game will be like Vs Spain. If Bellingham and Kane didn't look so knackered I'd be feeling hopeful about taking it to them.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 11, 2024 17:23:31 GMT
I've watched him closely. You'll notice a number of occasions for a split second he'll consider a backwards or sideways pass but quickly change his mind and take on a forward pass instead if available. I agree he's going to be some player with a bit of luck on his side.. The fact he considers options makes him less predictable so harder to cover. Thought he was really great yesterday. I wonder what the defensive side of his game will be like Vs Spain. If Bellingham and Kane didn't look so knackered I'd be feeling hopeful about taking it to them. For such a young lad he seems to have it all. Looks like he can even dribble at that level as well. World's his oyster if he can stay away from serious injury..
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 12, 2024 6:53:58 GMT
Reports coming out we plan on keeping Southgate for the next World Cup no matter the result on Sunday....
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