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England
Jul 12, 2024 10:43:50 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 12, 2024 10:43:50 GMT
Southgate has 3 maybe 4 world class players and then some really solid players like Rice, Mainoo and Pickford. We are the standout team and have been for a few years. We have players who can't get in the England team who would walk into most big teams. Southgate has dropped on, we still need a better manager and I would look abroad because there is too much fear in how Southgate speaks. We could win despite him, we should be out So did Eriksson and Cappelo It doesn't matter what nationality a manager is if they are decent. Since when can only an Englishman lead the national team to success? Ange, Pochettino, Mancini, the Villa manager, these are very capable managers of doing a good job with England. Not all managers work out, most of our players play under foreign managers week in week out. We haven't been anywhere near brave enough this tournament and that's down to Southgate. We have relied on our 1st shot on target to get us out of Jail against Slovakia in the last minute then again against Switzerland in around the 80th minute and both were world class goals, we've relied on special players to get this far. I don't even know what our style of play is, we lucked out on the draw and although the Netherlands game was much better we still don't know what or where we are. If we get smashed by Spain then we have to question how good we actually are. Spain as a country have an identity of what they are, they have a style of play they are all on board with, for me we still need that so that we can smoothly transition t from one manager to the next. We turned up to this tournament completely unaware of what the plan was, players looking lost and still we might win the tournament. That says one thing... it's despite Southgate not because of him. To be fair to Southgate though the Nederland's game was his best game as manager. He made decisions earlier, he made subs when needed and they paid off. It was by far our best game of the tournament but was wrong before? If players were struggling to play together then you have to question his decision not to give the players more time together in the friendlies before the tournament instead of handing out caps to players who were never going to feature.
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Post by cdf on Jul 12, 2024 11:36:08 GMT
Rice is getting a little bit over looked for his display v the Dutch because he got bullied a little for their goal BUT apart from that, I though Rice was fucking brilliant on Wednesday night. The way he played enabled Foden and Mainoo to have the games they did especially in that first half. Rice was immense in the centre I like him and expected big things from him. I just feel he’s been slow to impose himself on games. Maybe it’s the job he’s been given but I feel he’s playing on the back foot too much and looks a bit lacking in confidence. I was hoping he’d evolve into our Roy Keane and that would happen this tournament. I still think he’ll come good but I’ve been a bit underwhelmed this tournament. Maybe I’m being harsh. I agree that he's been like for all of the tournament but I thought he was proper back on it in the semi-final
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Post by lordb on Jul 12, 2024 12:12:19 GMT
I think you need at least some club management experience behind you to tackle the national job properly, so that would rule Carsley out for me at this stage. Potter’s failure at Chelsea with world class players showed him up a bit. He wasn’t handling the pressure well and he would get the same abuse (if not more) from England fans if he didn’t produce the goods. Has to be Eddie Howe for me. He has produced a good Newcastle team and what he achieved at Bournemouth is sensational. Either Howe or Carsley for me. The former has done a good jobs at Newcastle and Bournemouth and Carsley has done really well with the junior England squads. I don't think that should be overlooked because he has no club experience. It's worked for Southgate and I think it's the route the FA will go down. will Howe take a 50%+ pay cut? Carsley makes sense however might be a hard sell to the media & the public
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Post by lordb on Jul 12, 2024 12:15:03 GMT
Who could England get? No English candidates of merit atm Klopp, no chance Pochettino? Could they afford him? Would he take the job? Postecoglu? Same as Poch Why Klopp no chance? Does he not want to stay in football but for it not to be all consuming? mainly timing because atm he appears to want a break if/when he come back (12 months time?) presume he will want a top club job which would be up his street & pay massively more however if he decided he doesn't want a club job yes then there a chance/god chance
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2024 12:24:44 GMT
Why Klopp no chance? Does he not want to stay in football but for it not to be all consuming? mainly timing because atm he appears to want a break if/when he come back (12 months time?) presume he will want a top club job which would be up his street & pay massively more however if he decided he doesn't want a club job yes then there a chance/god chance Liverpool fans would never forgive him, they hate England.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 12, 2024 12:39:12 GMT
So did Eriksson and Cappelo It doesn't matter what nationality a manager is if they are decent. Since when can only an Englishman lead the national team to success? Ange, Pochettino, Mancini, the Villa manager, these are very capable managers of doing a good job with England. Not all managers work out, most of our players play under foreign managers week in week out. We haven't been anywhere near brave enough this tournament and that's down to Southgate. We have relied on our 1st shot on target to get us out of Jail against Slovakia in the last minute then again against Switzerland in around the 80th minute and both were world class goals, we've relied on special players to get this far. I don't even know what our style of play is, we lucked out on the draw and although the Netherlands game was much better we still don't know what or where we are. If we get smashed by Spain then we have to question how good we actually are. Spain as a country have an identity of what they are, they have a style of play they are all on board with, for me we still need that so that we can smoothly transition t from one manager to the next. We turned up to this tournament completely unaware of what the plan was, players looking lost and still we might win the tournament. That says one thing... it's despite Southgate not because of him. To be fair to Southgate though the Nederland's game was his best game as manager. He made decisions earlier, he made subs when needed and they paid off. It was by far our best game of the tournament but was wrong before? If players were struggling to play together then you have to question his decision not to give the players more time together in the friendlies before the tournament instead of handing out caps to players who were never going to feature. We've been in 2 finals, a semi-final and a quarter final in 4 of his tournaments despite him? Frankly that is complete and utter drivel.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jul 12, 2024 13:40:33 GMT
Also, since its an England thread, how bloody good was Mainoo last night. That kid is going to be right up there with the best if United don't stamp his positivity out of him. He only ever wants to progress the play. I agree with all of that mate but can we please refer to them as 'The Shit' instead of United. You are 100% correct and I shall endeavour to correct my behavious going forward
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 12, 2024 14:08:21 GMT
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 12, 2024 14:09:36 GMT
Either Howe or Carsley for me. The former has done a good jobs at Newcastle and Bournemouth and Carsley has done really well with the junior England squads. I don't think that should be overlooked because he has no club experience. It's worked for Southgate and I think it's the route the FA will go down. will Howe take a 50%+ pay cut? Carsley makes sense however might be a hard sell to the media & the public Whilst I imagine Howe is on big money at Toon, I don't expect he's earning so much that he would need to take a 50% pay cut. When Howe extended his contract a couple of years back, it was just preceding the season that he finished Top 4. He might have been able to negotiate a bumper salary had he extended after that season. As it is, my guess is that an England salary wouldn't be that much less than what he's currently getting at Newcastle. Carsley wouldn't be any harder a sell than Southgate was at the time. At least Carsley doesn't have the baggage of his only managerial experience being a relegation.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 12, 2024 15:01:40 GMT
Matthew McConaughey came to mind as soon as I saw that
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 12, 2024 15:22:00 GMT
Glad we haven't worn that awful dark grey thing at all.
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England
Jul 12, 2024 15:48:47 GMT
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jul 12, 2024 15:48:47 GMT
I agree with all of that mate but can we please refer to them as 'The Shit' instead of United. You are 100% correct and I shall endeavour to correct my behavious going forward Thanks mate. It just doesn't feel right seeing them called anything other than the shit.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 12, 2024 15:51:19 GMT
Matthew McConaughey came to mind as soon as I saw that All white all white all white 😆
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England
Jul 12, 2024 15:57:20 GMT
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Post by stokefanone on Jul 12, 2024 15:57:20 GMT
Just wondering what people think about a knight hood for Southgate if we win on Sunday. Personally I think Southgate is a very average manager at best. He was very fortunate to have been given the post. We should have been more successful with the players available over last few years. He will get a knighthood for the consistency England have produced, but should have been better!
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Post by stokefc on Jul 12, 2024 16:30:17 GMT
Just wondering what people think about a knight hood for Southgate if we win on Sunday. Personally I think Southgate is a very average manager at best. He was very fortunate to have been given the post. We should have been more successful with the players available over last few years. He will get a knighthood for the consistency England have produced, but should have been better! If England win Sunday he will be known as Sir Gareth by me regardless
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 12, 2024 16:43:32 GMT
Just wondering what people think about a knight hood for Southgate if we win on Sunday. Personally I think Southgate is a very average manager at best. He was very fortunate to have been given the post. We should have been more successful with the players available over last few years. He will get a knighthood for the consistency England have produced, but should have been better! If England win Sunday he will be known as Sir Gareth by me regardless Yup, whatever you think of him, if he brings it’s home it’s Arise Sir Gareth, as simple as that.
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England
Jul 12, 2024 17:19:21 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 12, 2024 17:19:21 GMT
It doesn't matter what nationality a manager is if they are decent. Since when can only an Englishman lead the national team to success? Ange, Pochettino, Mancini, the Villa manager, these are very capable managers of doing a good job with England. Not all managers work out, most of our players play under foreign managers week in week out. We haven't been anywhere near brave enough this tournament and that's down to Southgate. We have relied on our 1st shot on target to get us out of Jail against Slovakia in the last minute then again against Switzerland in around the 80th minute and both were world class goals, we've relied on special players to get this far. I don't even know what our style of play is, we lucked out on the draw and although the Netherlands game was much better we still don't know what or where we are. If we get smashed by Spain then we have to question how good we actually are. Spain as a country have an identity of what they are, they have a style of play they are all on board with, for me we still need that so that we can smoothly transition t from one manager to the next. We turned up to this tournament completely unaware of what the plan was, players looking lost and still we might win the tournament. That says one thing... it's despite Southgate not because of him. To be fair to Southgate though the Nederland's game was his best game as manager. He made decisions earlier, he made subs when needed and they paid off. It was by far our best game of the tournament but was wrong before? If players were struggling to play together then you have to question his decision not to give the players more time together in the friendlies before the tournament instead of handing out caps to players who were never going to feature. We've been in 2 finals, a semi-final and a quarter final in 4 of his tournaments despite him? Frankly that is complete and utter drivel. We have had good draws in every tournament he has done well in and his decision making or lack of it has cost us in big games when we needed him. He froze against Croatia, he froze against a poor Italy team, he was scared of France. He's had so much luck it's ridiculous. We struggled to beat Columbia but scraped through, we beat a shit German team in transition. Other than France all the big teams in Europe and South America have been knowhere near as good as in the past for a few years. We have had the best squad of players for the last 5/6 few years. Even now we could put a second team out that could go deep in Tournaments. There's just not many good teams around Spain have turned a corner but probably a couple of years from being a top team, France are fading, Germany are getting going again and will be stronger in a couple of years. Brazil are gone, Argentina ok but nothing special, Italy gave faded badly and beat us against all odds. Portugal are not far away but need to get rid of Ronaldo. Belgium are ok. There aren't many teams that are actually that good around at the moment. We have peaked when world football has gone stale and still we haven't won anything. We still have a strong future but the World cup there will be 3 or 4 other top teams by then. If we don't beat Spain Sunday Southgate has failed. We have won 2 from 6 inside 90 minutes in this tournament, that's not that good. Our strength in depth is crazy good to what options other teams have, we can replace top players with more top players. We are like the Man City of world football and we keep losing to a Tottenham or a Wolves when we get near to the finish line. The players have dragged Southgate to this final, his formation and tactics have hindered us for most of it, so yes we do win despite him
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Post by headsgoup on Jul 12, 2024 17:20:59 GMT
He has the best record of any England manager in tournament knockout matches.
Him being the best England manager is kind of a matter of fact, at this point.
We can like or dislike his style of play, but it's there in black and white at this point.
Previous incumbents have also had an embarrassment of riches, but turned them into diddly-squat.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 12, 2024 17:21:58 GMT
Really not looking forward to holding my hands up if we win it but I did promise to👀
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 12, 2024 17:26:28 GMT
If England win Sunday he will be known as Sir Gareth by me regardless Yup, whatever you think of him, if he brings it’s home it’s Arise Sir Gareth, as simple as that. He will be Knighted regardless now, he was in the right place at the right time. I'm not sure I would say he deserves it because I believe he has been the problem and a manager with more tactical nouse would have done better but he will get it because of how deep we have gone in tournaments.
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England
Jul 12, 2024 17:26:40 GMT
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Post by peterpan1 on Jul 12, 2024 17:26:40 GMT
He has the best record of any England manager in tournament knockout matches. Him being the best England manager is kind of a matter of fact, at this point. We can like or dislike his style of play, but it's there in black and white at this point. Previous incumbents have also had an embarrassment of riches, but turned them into diddly-squat. We've still won fuck all since '66 regardless of his record !
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Post by stokeson on Jul 12, 2024 17:31:48 GMT
Just wondering what people think about a knight hood for Southgate if we win on Sunday. Personally I think Southgate is a very average manager at best. He was very fortunate to have been given the post. We should have been more successful with the players available over last few years. He will get a knighthood for the consistency England have produced, but should have been better! What did we give to Sarina Wiegman who won it .If we win Sunday we should keep him for the world cup .That the only reward he deserves......
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England
Jul 12, 2024 17:31:53 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 12, 2024 17:31:53 GMT
He has the best record of any England manager in tournament knockout matches. Him being the best England manager is kind of a matter of fact, at this point. We can like or dislike his style of play, but it's there in black and white at this point. Previous incumbents have also had an embarrassment of riches, but turned them into diddly-squat. Yes but there were other teams with a wealth of riches too. We have had very little competition with a squad a lot stronger than everyone we have played for a few years now. France have been the only team near us but even they only have a couple of good players. World football has been very poor for a few years now and we have failed up to now to take advantage of it
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Jul 12, 2024 17:31:53 GMT
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Post by march4 on Jul 12, 2024 17:31:53 GMT
He has the best record of any England manager in tournament knockout matches. Him being the best England manager is kind of a matter of fact, at this point. We can like or dislike his style of play, but it's there in black and white at this point. Previous incumbents have also had an embarrassment of riches, but turned them into diddly-squat. We've still won fuck all since '66 regardless of his record ! Since 1966, we’ve barely been close to anything until Southgate turned up as manager.
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Jul 12, 2024 17:45:41 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 12, 2024 17:45:41 GMT
Knighthoods are thrown around like confetti these days, I can only assume I’ll get one at some point
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Jul 12, 2024 17:47:17 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 12, 2024 17:47:17 GMT
Knighthoods are thrown around like confetti these days, I can only assume I’ll get one at some point If Farage becomes PM then as his biggest supporter maybe you will get one. There are less deserving people who have them
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Jul 12, 2024 18:19:04 GMT
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Post by thornestein on Jul 12, 2024 18:19:04 GMT
Knighthoods are thrown around like confetti these days, I can only assume I’ll get one at some point animals don’t get knighthoods
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Jul 12, 2024 18:20:59 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 12, 2024 18:20:59 GMT
Knighthoods are thrown around like confetti these days, I can only assume I’ll get one at some point animals don’t get knighthoods Mustelids do actually
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England
Jul 12, 2024 18:22:50 GMT
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Post by thornestein on Jul 12, 2024 18:22:50 GMT
animals don’t get knighthoods Mustelids do actually only the smaller ones like a stout
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Post by enuntio on Jul 12, 2024 18:28:36 GMT
England managers of today have to be squeaky clean virgins who have never been on social media.
That said. The squad was a curiously selected one. The performances were indicative of a, we don't know each other, ramshackle, and/or something behind the scenes has happened, either to the players there, or the players left in Blighty.
We are in the Final. Hopefully the manager has noted his mistakes from the last final. Hopefully
WE WILL RUN THEM RAGGED AND SCORE THREE TIMES.
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