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England
Jul 11, 2024 10:11:38 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 11, 2024 10:11:38 GMT
I was thinking that, he was getting forward going behind the lines, just the issue of crossing with his left foot. Shaw seemed to not want to go to far forward until towards the end, whether it was instructions or protection for his hamstring? To be fair, they changed their tactics to address that, so tactically it was a different set up, they seemed to put more effort into blocking that option. Koeman completely changed their set up to be fair and they were the better team second half. They didn’t create much though and we were always a threat on the break.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2024 10:13:06 GMT
Reading the arse gravy on this thread I really can't believe we're in the final. We've been poor all tournament prior to last night, individually, collectively and also in the dugout. Yes it's a suprise we've got all the way to the final.
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England
Jul 11, 2024 10:22:38 GMT
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Post by march4 on Jul 11, 2024 10:22:38 GMT
To be fair, they changed their tactics to address that, so tactically it was a different set up, they seemed to put more effort into blocking that option. Koeman completely changed their set up to be fair and they were the better team second half. They didn’t create much though and we were always a threat on the break. That’s right and that is the dilemma now provided for Spain. Do they let us take control of midfield but hope their flair players will keep us on the back foot or do they completely change shape to nullify us. Hopefully the former and we see a game full of forward intent.
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England
Jul 11, 2024 10:37:33 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 11, 2024 10:37:33 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 11, 2024 10:39:20 GMT
Reading the arse gravy on this thread I really can't believe we're in the final. We've been poor all tournament prior to last night, individually, collectively and also in the dugout. Yes it's a suprise we've got all the way to the final. Bar Spain pretty much every team has been poor. The difference with England is that individually and collectively we’ve produced the moments that have won games. Southgate is flawed when it comes to in game management and team/squad selection but one thing he has proven to be world class at is creating a team spirit and togetherness in the squad that has carried us through. I can’t remember ever seeing a squad where the players seem so bonded and close.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jul 11, 2024 10:43:35 GMT
We have loads of players who can score a penalty, shown by 5 players scoring in a shoot out he wasn’t there for. If scoring the penalty is all he offers then he shouldn’t even be in the squad. Not even close to ALL he offers... In this tournament as a whole, what else has he really brought to the table? I aren't putting it all on him, he doesn't look fit at all and from his interview after the challenge for the penalty apparently had him struggling too. But at the moment both Watkins and Toney are offering far more and would work better with the team he is picking around Kane. I don't think I'm saying anything that isn't clear to see from all of the games in this tournament.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 11, 2024 10:47:19 GMT
We are in a Euro's final again.
Lets enjoy it and celebrate. Too many armchair supporters criticising Kane and Saka et al. on this thread.
I need to go cheer myself up again.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jul 11, 2024 10:53:14 GMT
We've been poor all tournament prior to last night, individually, collectively and also in the dugout. Yes it's a suprise we've got all the way to the final. Bar Spain pretty much every team has been poor. The difference with England is that individually and collectively we’ve produced the moments that have won games. Southgate is flawed when it comes to in game management and team/squad selection but one thing he has proven to be world class at is creating a team spirit and togetherness in the squad that has carried us through. I can’t remember ever seeing a squad where the players seem so bonded and close. I will agree, for sure, that Southgate is excellent at creating an environment that the players feel comfortable and shielded within that allows them to deal with the constant criticism you have to be able to take playing for England. He is a poor football manager but no one at all can argue he is a very good man manager. Last night not withstanding because although he may have been better bringing the subs on earlier, the 2 he brought on set up and scored the winner, so he got it absolutely spot on. Kane is having a shit tournament though
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 11, 2024 10:56:58 GMT
Kane is absolutely nowhere near his best and Bellingham is peripheral. His body language last night was terrible. Maybe he was pissed off at being pushed to the left to accommodate Foden. No matter, Jude needs to step up a level and start to dominate play.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 11, 2024 10:57:49 GMT
We've been poor all tournament prior to last night, individually, collectively and also in the dugout. Yes it's a suprise we've got all the way to the final. Bar Spain pretty much every team has been poor. The difference with England is that individually and collectively we’ve produced the moments that have won games. Southgate is flawed when it comes to in game management and team/squad selection but one thing he has proven to be world class at is creating a team spirit and togetherness in the squad that has carried us through. I can’t remember ever seeing a squad where the players seem so bonded and close. This seems to go massively under the radar with our fans. There is a history of top teams with top players who have not functioned as they should have because they didn't didn't bond as a unit. I think it's why a lot of managers in the game value what Southgate has achieved.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 11, 2024 11:01:12 GMT
Bar Spain pretty much every team has been poor. The difference with England is that individually and collectively we’ve produced the moments that have won games. Southgate is flawed when it comes to in game management and team/squad selection but one thing he has proven to be world class at is creating a team spirit and togetherness in the squad that has carried us through. I can’t remember ever seeing a squad where the players seem so bonded and close. I will agree, for sure, that Southgate is excellent at creating an environment that the players feel comfortable and shielded within that allows them to deal with the constant criticism you have to be able to take playing for England. He is a poor football manager but no one at all can argue he is a very good man manager. Last night not withstanding because although he may have been better bringing the subs on earlier, the 2 he brought on set up and scored the winner, so he got it absolutely spot on. Kane is having a shit tournament though I think “poor” manager is incredibly harsh. He’s consistently led an England team into the last 4 and last 2 so many times I now have to stop and work it out! This is England. Not Brazil or Germany. And before anyone says look at the quality of our players, we’ve had good squads before and not come close to the consistency that Southgate has achieved. While he’s flawed he also has a knack of getting results. People have said he’s lucky, maybe but luck only gets you so far. Klopp, Ancellotti etc bring on two subs for the later stages of a time and they combine to score one of the goals of the tournament. They’re geniuses. Southgate is lucky. I think there’s a tendency to be way too harsh on him.
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England
Jul 11, 2024 11:04:10 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 11, 2024 11:04:10 GMT
Bar Spain pretty much every team has been poor. The difference with England is that individually and collectively we’ve produced the moments that have won games. Southgate is flawed when it comes to in game management and team/squad selection but one thing he has proven to be world class at is creating a team spirit and togetherness in the squad that has carried us through. I can’t remember ever seeing a squad where the players seem so bonded and close. This seems to go massively under the radar with our fans. There is a history of top teams with top players who have not functioned as they should have because they didn't didn't bond as a unit. I think it's why a lot of managers in the game value what Southgate has achieved. Absolutely. He’s very touchy feely, softly spoken and at times seems almost too good to be true. But I think it’s genuine. He values the players as individuals and he prioritises his relationships with them above winning games. Happy players and a happy team are far more likely to win games. I think that’s his belief and the results he has produced suggest he knows exactly what he’s doing.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jul 11, 2024 11:05:08 GMT
Southgate will be missed, and I do think he'll step down after this tournament whatever happens. We'll go backwards when he does.
Just got to enjoy it now, only us or Spain can win it and we've got further than 22 other teams. Definite underdogs in the final, but we do have a lot of quality ourselves and anything can happen.
Go on lads.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 11, 2024 11:06:26 GMT
Kane is absolutely nowhere near his best and Bellingham is peripheral. His body language last night was terrible. Maybe he was pissed off at being pushed to the left to accommodate Foden. No matter, Jude needs to step up a level and start to dominate play. Bellingham has looked like a young player with incredible potential who still needs to work out how to impact games properly. That said he also scored arguably one of the best goals of the tournament at a critical time. I’ve no doubt he’ll go on to be an absolute all time England great.
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England
Jul 11, 2024 11:07:15 GMT
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Post by march4 on Jul 11, 2024 11:07:15 GMT
Southgate will be missed, and I do think he'll step down after this tournament whatever happens. We'll go backwards when he does. Just got to enjoy it now, only us or Spain can win it and we've got further than 22 other teams. Definite underdogs in the final, but we do have a lot of quality ourselves and anything can happen. Go on lads. We are above Spain in the FIFA rankings and they are even below the Netherlands.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jul 11, 2024 11:08:09 GMT
He's made us genuine contenders again.
Before 2018 we'd only ever been to three semi-finals at major tournaments in our history, losing two of them.
In the last 6 years he's exceeded that alone by making three and winning two of them.
All that's missing is that trophy win, but I refuse to believe that anything other than a trophy is a failure.
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Post by kerouac on Jul 11, 2024 11:08:58 GMT
Kane is absolutely nowhere near his best and Bellingham is peripheral. His body language last night was terrible. Maybe he was pissed off at being pushed to the left to accommodate Foden. No matter, Jude needs to step up a level and start to dominate play. Spot on....hes nowhere near Zidane yet. Kane looks absolutely fucked to me.
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England
Jul 11, 2024 11:10:53 GMT
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jul 11, 2024 11:10:53 GMT
Southgate will be missed, and I do think he'll step down after this tournament whatever happens. We'll go backwards when he does. Just got to enjoy it now, only us or Spain can win it and we've got further than 22 other teams. Definite underdogs in the final, but we do have a lot of quality ourselves and anything can happen. Go on lads. We are above Spain in the FIFA rankings and they are even below the Netherlands. Just going by what I've seen - they look very good and a class above anyone else in the competition. I thought they'd struggle against France especially defensively but they split them open with ease on a number of occasions and could have probably scored more.
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Post by kerouac on Jul 11, 2024 11:12:16 GMT
Southgate will be missed, and I do think he'll step down after this tournament whatever happens. We'll go backwards when he does. Just got to enjoy it now, only us or Spain can win it and we've got further than 22 other teams. Definite underdogs in the final, but we do have a lot of quality ourselves and anything can happen. Go on lads. We are above Spain in the FIFA rankings and they are even below the Netherlands. I don't think we'll go backwards in the slightest, a few tweaks from a more positive manager and we will continue this upward trajectory
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England
Jul 11, 2024 11:13:35 GMT
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Post by march4 on Jul 11, 2024 11:13:35 GMT
We are above Spain in the FIFA rankings and they are even below the Netherlands. Just going by what I've seen - they look very good and a class above anyone else in the competition. I thought they'd struggle against France especially defensively but they split them open with ease on a number of occasions and could have probably scored more. They have looked good in every game. We have only looked good for 45mins in our most recent game. I would say that 45mins is better than Spain’s best but will we repeat it in the final for the whole game?
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 11, 2024 11:15:04 GMT
Reading the arse gravy on this thread I really can't believe we're in the final. That first half was the best I think I ever saw England play. But according to some we need to drop a few including Kane and Foden. Mentalists. People are entitled to opinions but it gets tiresome. Even if we win it they'll still spout their utter nonsense.
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Jul 11, 2024 11:17:09 GMT
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Post by march4 on Jul 11, 2024 11:17:09 GMT
That first half was the best I think I ever saw England play. But according to some we need to drop a few including Kane and Foden. Mentalists. People are entitled to opinions but it gets tiresome. Even if we win it they'll still spout their utter nonsense. First half was excellent, second half was solid. Interestingly we drew the first half 1-1 but won the second 1-0.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 11, 2024 11:18:25 GMT
People are entitled to opinions but it gets tiresome. Even if we win it they'll still spout their utter nonsense. First half was excellent, second half was solid. Interestingly we drew the first half 1-1 but won the second 1-0. People forget there are two teams on the pitch. And they are not robots.
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England
Jul 11, 2024 11:20:39 GMT
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Post by headsgoup on Jul 11, 2024 11:20:39 GMT
We are above Spain in the FIFA rankings and they are even below the Netherlands. Just going by what I've seen - they look very good and a class above anyone else in the competition. I thought they'd struggle against France especially defensively but they split them open with ease on a number of occasions and could have probably scored more. France we complaining like buggery about their midfield though; the fans. I have a feeling that Spain will go narrow to nullify us and we'll sneak it 1-0.
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England
Jul 11, 2024 11:22:10 GMT
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Post by march4 on Jul 11, 2024 11:22:10 GMT
First half was excellent, second half was solid. Interestingly we drew the first half 1-1 but won the second 1-0. People forget there are two teams on the pitch. And they are not robots. Holland responded well to our first half dominance. The big question for me is how will Spain respond to that 45mins. If they don’t tweak things we will dominate them in midfield but they might feel their forward flair players will still give them the edge.
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England
Jul 11, 2024 11:34:45 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 11, 2024 11:34:45 GMT
That first half was the best I think I ever saw England play. But according to some we need to drop a few including Kane and Foden. Mentalists. People are entitled to opinions but it gets tiresome. Even if we win it they'll still spout their utter nonsense. Oh the irony in your posts Pugs🤔
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Jul 11, 2024 11:35:05 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 11, 2024 11:35:05 GMT
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 11, 2024 11:35:57 GMT
People are entitled to opinions but it gets tiresome. Even if we win it they'll still spout their utter nonsense. Oh the irony in your posts Pugs🤔 Really? International football is totally different than Club football where a manager has far less time with the players.
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Jul 11, 2024 11:36:44 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 11, 2024 11:36:44 GMT
Oh the irony in your posts Pugs🤔 Really? International football is totally different than Club football where a manager has far less time with the players. If you say so mate 😊
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 11, 2024 11:39:34 GMT
People forget there are two teams on the pitch. And they are not robots. Holland responded well to our first half dominance. The big question for me is how will Spain respond to that 45mins. If they don’t tweak things we will dominate them in midfield but they might feel their forward flair players will still give them the edge. In Rodri and Ruiz they have the standout midfielders in the tournament. I think we are better than them up front but creating chances may be difficult. I make them slight favourites but there is no reason why we can't win, especially if we play like we did last night.
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