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England
Jul 7, 2024 7:27:44 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jul 7, 2024 7:27:44 GMT
I'd play Kane
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2024 7:45:56 GMT
Why? He’s playing like Sam Vokes
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2024 7:52:48 GMT
I can honestly see a France England final on the horizon, without tempting fate.
One team that hasn't scored a goal from open play Vs another team that is playing dreadful football with a number of players out of position on purpose.
Settled on penalties after an eye bleeding, mind numbing 120 minutes of 'football' where one manager is sticking fingers up to the French nationals and telling them to turn off their TVs and the other stuck on the touchline with underpants around his head and knitting needles up his nose.
It will go down as the worst major final ever and the most undeserving winners of all time.
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England
Jul 7, 2024 7:52:51 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 7, 2024 7:52:51 GMT
Why? He’s playing like Sam Vokes Because he’s better than the alternatives.
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Post by mrnovember on Jul 7, 2024 7:53:47 GMT
The Southgate effect on that successful penno shootout should not be underestimated.
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England
Jul 7, 2024 7:54:47 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2024 7:54:47 GMT
Why? He’s playing like Sam Vokes Because he’s better than the alternatives. He’s not though.
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Jul 7, 2024 8:05:12 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 7, 2024 8:05:12 GMT
Because he’s better than the alternatives. He’s not though. He is though. Toney somehow found a way to make us worse when he came on (superb penalty aside).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2024 8:06:26 GMT
He is though. Toney somehow found a way to make us worse when he came on (superb penalty aside). Toney looks like a camel at this level thus far. So far out of his depth it's untrue.
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England
Jul 7, 2024 8:07:00 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2024 8:07:00 GMT
He is though. Toney somehow found a way to make us worse when he came on (superb penalty aside). My dead Gran is more mobile. All options are better.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 7, 2024 8:11:57 GMT
I can honestly see a France England final on the horizon, without tempting fate. One team that hasn't scored a goal from open play Vs another team that is playing dreadful football with a number of players out of position on purpose. Settled on penalties after an eye bleeding, mind numbing 120 minutes of 'football' where one manager is sticking fingers up to the French nationals and telling them to turn off their TVs and the other stuck on the touchline with underpants around his head and knitting needles up his nose. It will go down as the worst major final ever and the most undeserving winners of all time. Portugal in 2016 were far worse than anything we’ve produced this time around. France have also been worse than us at this tournament. If they win it, the undeserved tag might be fitting, but not sure it would for us. I think we have at least managed to get a bit better in the last two games, whereas France have just been on the same dreary level from minute one. Also, if we did win it, I’m not sure I’d care if anyone thought it was undeserved. Does anybody really win a tournament playing brilliantly?
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England
Jul 7, 2024 8:14:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2024 8:14:13 GMT
I can honestly see a France England final on the horizon, without tempting fate. One team that hasn't scored a goal from open play Vs another team that is playing dreadful football with a number of players out of position on purpose. Settled on penalties after an eye bleeding, mind numbing 120 minutes of 'football' where one manager is sticking fingers up to the French nationals and telling them to turn off their TVs and the other stuck on the touchline with underpants around his head and knitting needles up his nose. It will go down as the worst major final ever and the most undeserving winners of all time. Portugal in 2016 were far worse than anything we’ve produced this time around. France have also been worse than us at this tournament. If they win it, the undeserved tag might be fitting, but not sure it would for us. I think we have at least managed to get a bit better in the last two games, whereas France have just been on the same dreary level from minute one. Also, if we did win it, I’m not sure I’d care if anyone thought it was undeserved. Does anybody really win a tournament playing brilliantly? It was a very dry attempt at humour. Must work harder...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2024 8:14:34 GMT
I can honestly see a France England final on the horizon, without tempting fate. One team that hasn't scored a goal from open play Vs another team that is playing dreadful football with a number of players out of position on purpose. Settled on penalties after an eye bleeding, mind numbing 120 minutes of 'football' where one manager is sticking fingers up to the French nationals and telling them to turn off their TVs and the other stuck on the touchline with underpants around his head and knitting needles up his nose. It will go down as the worst major final ever and the most undeserving winners of all time. Portugal in 2016 were far worse than anything we’ve produced this time around. France have also been worse than us at this tournament. If they win it, the undeserved tag might be fitting, but not sure it would for us. I think we have at least managed to get a bit better in the last two games, whereas France have just been on the same dreary level from minute one. Also, if we did win it, I’m not sure I’d care if anyone thought it was undeserved. Does anybody really win a tournament playing brilliantly? We’ve got better? Did their keeper have a save to make yesterday bar the goal? It was fucking awful.
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Post by mallorcanstokie on Jul 7, 2024 8:15:07 GMT
What an overreaction from the BBC pundits, they spoke and acted like we’d smashed the Swiss 3-0 in normal time, not scrapped through after extra time and penalties. i think we all agree it was a better performance and deserved to go through, but their reaction was so over the top……
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England
Jul 7, 2024 8:16:26 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 7, 2024 8:16:26 GMT
He is though. Toney somehow found a way to make us worse when he came on (superb penalty aside). My dead Gran is more mobile. All options are better. Toney looks poor at this level and Watkins has done nothing in his England showings so far to show he’s up to the task either.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2024 8:17:43 GMT
My dead Gran is more mobile. All options are better. Toney looks poor at this level and Watkins has done nothing in his England showings so far to show he’s up to the task either. They’ve both barely been given a chance.
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England
Jul 7, 2024 8:22:03 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 7, 2024 8:22:03 GMT
Watkins would do a good job against the Dutch, they like to attack and he would be a good option to try and counter them at pace when they do. Van Dijk would probably keep Toney and Kane his pocket
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Jul 7, 2024 8:26:04 GMT
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Post by pavel on Jul 7, 2024 8:26:04 GMT
There’s one thing for sure, Kane isn’t the answer at the moment, probably due to the back injury he had and Southgate’s tactics.
Watkins for me but it won’t happen.
How we have got to the semi’s is a complete mystery even with one of the easiest groups and the good side of the draw.
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Jul 7, 2024 8:40:26 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 7, 2024 8:40:26 GMT
Toney looks poor at this level and Watkins has done nothing in his England showings so far to show he’s up to the task either. They’ve both barely been given a chance. Did you watch Toneys performance when he came on yesterday?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 7, 2024 8:40:59 GMT
Portugal in 2016 were far worse than anything we’ve produced this time around. France have also been worse than us at this tournament. If they win it, the undeserved tag might be fitting, but not sure it would for us. I think we have at least managed to get a bit better in the last two games, whereas France have just been on the same dreary level from minute one. Also, if we did win it, I’m not sure I’d care if anyone thought it was undeserved. Does anybody really win a tournament playing brilliantly? It was a very dry attempt at humour. Must work harder... No, I know what you meant, didn’t think it was 100% serious but half of the semi finalists, maybe even 3/4 if you include Holland, haven’t really performed yet. I don’t think it’s been a very good tournament on the whole as a neutral, save for a few games. Past winners of this tournament include Greece, Portugal and Italy - not a free flowing side amongst them. Maybe international tournament football is just a bit shit sometimes!
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Jul 7, 2024 8:42:42 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2024 8:42:42 GMT
They’ve both barely been given a chance. Did you watch Toneys performance when he came on yesterday? He was no different to anyone else in an England shirt bar Saka.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 7, 2024 8:48:08 GMT
What an overreaction from the BBC pundits, they spoke and acted like we’d smashed the Swiss 3-0 in normal time, not scrapped through after extra time and penalties. i think we all agree it was a better performance and deserved to go through, but their reaction was so over the top…… Switzerland are a good team. Unfortunately, they’ve probably got too many coming towards the end of their careers because, if they were a little bit younger, I think they’d have a shot at winning something in 2-4 years. We did what we had to defensively but there’s still something not quite happening going forward. We did get lucky that Southgate’s inaction didn’t cost us (or he timed it all perfectly depending on how you look at it). Keeping Saka in the team proved the right decision. Yes, there might have been an overreaction to beating a “lesser” side on penalties, but there’s always more emotion tied in with penalties.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 7, 2024 8:49:23 GMT
What did Toney do so badly?! He was only on for the second half of ET wasn’t he, and can’t remember him doing anything at all, good or bad.
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Jul 7, 2024 8:58:54 GMT
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 7, 2024 8:58:54 GMT
If Kane is injured (and he looks it) then he shouldn’t be playing and I’m a Kane fan. However, Watkins is a very different option and might work best in a two so it’s tough. No idea who becomes our go to striker once this tournament is over though.
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England
Jul 7, 2024 10:04:51 GMT
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Post by march4 on Jul 7, 2024 10:04:51 GMT
1988: Not Qualified 1990: Semi 1992: Not Qualified 1994: Not Qualified 1996: Semis 1998: Last 16 2000: Group Stage 2002: Quarters 2004: Quarters 2006: Quarters 2008: Not Qualified 2010: Last 16 2012: Quarters 2014: Groups 2016: Last 16 (Iceland) ------------------------------------ 2018: Semis 2020: Runner-up 2022: Quarters 2024: Semis* In my lifetime (I'm 35 years old). I've seen 5 semi-finals for England, three of those have been under Gareth Southgate, one of the other two was then I was one year old. In my lifetime, I’d seen one win and two semi-finals. Southgate’s accomplishments do stand out.
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Jul 7, 2024 10:14:33 GMT
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Post by superjw on Jul 7, 2024 10:14:33 GMT
What an overreaction from the BBC pundits, they spoke and acted like we’d smashed the Swiss 3-0 in normal time, not scrapped through after extra time and penalties. i think we all agree it was a better performance and deserved to go through, but their reaction was so over the top…… Trying to over compensate for slating the team (rightly) in the previous games. Now we are in the semis it will be media love in from here on in.
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Post by cdf on Jul 7, 2024 10:15:01 GMT
It's true in some respects. While I obviously agree the football is poor and quite painful to watch, I honestly believe you make your own luck in football, especially over time. The manager has just made us difficult to beat, and the fact is, teams who are difficult to beat often do well in these kind of tournaments. There have been winners before who have not been very thrilling to watch. I don’t subscribe to that. Our football is shite and the enthusiasm is zero. The enthusiasm is absolutely ridiculous in Germany. Its an experience to behold
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jul 7, 2024 10:15:45 GMT
What an overreaction from the BBC pundits, they spoke and acted like we’d smashed the Swiss 3-0 in normal time, not scrapped through after extra time and penalties. i think we all agree it was a better performance and deserved to go through, but their reaction was so over the top…… They got a lot of stick for over criticism before and I think went easier this time. Yep, you'd think was a different game they watched when in fact the first shot on target was the goal I think .
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Post by superjw on Jul 7, 2024 10:16:37 GMT
What did Toney do so badly?! He was only on for the second half of ET wasn’t he, and can’t remember him doing anything at all, good or bad. Exactly, you can’t judge someone playing a matter of minutes at the arse end of extra time in a dull as hell game. Arguably coming on so late and smashing in a penalty like that is admirable. Kane should be nowhere near the starting 11 for Holland, I’d go with Toney and bring Kane on after an hour or whatever
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 7, 2024 10:17:57 GMT
1988: Not Qualified 1990: Semi 1992: Not Qualified 1994: Not Qualified 1996: Semis 1998: Last 16 2000: Group Stage 2002: Quarters 2004: Quarters 2006: Quarters 2008: Not Qualified 2010: Last 16 2012: Quarters 2014: Groups 2016: Last 16 (Iceland) ------------------------------------ 2018: Semis 2020: Runner-up 2022: Quarters 2024: Semis* In my lifetime (I'm 35 years old). I've seen 5 semi-finals for England, three of those have been under Gareth Southgate, one of the other two was then I was one year old. In my lifetime, I’ve seen one win and two semi-finals. Southgate’s accomplishments do stand out. We have been able to field 2 teams better than than all the other teams in the last couple of tournaments. This semi final is pure luck, we would be out if not for 2 outstanding goals and our only shots on target at the time. Southgate has cost us in the last 2 tournaments with poor in game management one where he forgot to use any subs. He freezes in the big games and we have lucked out in draws too. A better manager would have a trophy or 2 now, Southgate is holding us back we are winning despite him not because of him. We've been fortunate that other big teams have been going through a transition at the same time. Italy were a poor team when they beat us and that performance is a carbon copy of how we play now
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 7, 2024 10:19:11 GMT
What an overreaction from the BBC pundits, they spoke and acted like we’d smashed the Swiss 3-0 in normal time, not scrapped through after extra time and penalties. i think we all agree it was a better performance and deserved to go through, but their reaction was so over the top…… Trying to over compensate for slating the team (rightly) in the previous games. Now we are in the semis it will be media love in from here on in. It should be a love in to be fair. Everyone together for the next week, hopefully. No need to be negative about anything now, just see what happens. Have a feeling we’re going to win the thing now. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if we turn up and actually perform like we can on Wednesday.
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