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Post by J-Roar on Jun 28, 2024 14:12:07 GMT
In what way? What is he saying yes to? I can give you examples of why he isn't. The one thing Southgate isn't is a yes man, and that's probably why he's been able to have more success than his predecessors. In fact, I'd actually criticise his squad selection in this tournament as bowing down to what supporters want in terms of taking in-form players (Gordon, Bowen, Eze) ahead of actual better quality (Grealish) and also playing Trent in midfield, which many supporters were clamouring for. He's someone who's played his favourites for years and didn't have a plan B when they couldn't be picked. The Kelvin Phillips replacement quote was very telling
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Post by bigvern on Jun 28, 2024 14:12:56 GMT
I hope Palmer comes in for Saka. I love watching the lad play, makes the game look easy.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 28, 2024 14:15:05 GMT
The one thing Southgate isn't is a yes man, and that's probably why he's been able to have more success than his predecessors. In fact, I'd actually criticise his squad selection in this tournament as bowing down to what supporters want in terms of taking in-form players (Gordon, Bowen, Eze) ahead of actual better quality (Grealish) and also playing Trent in midfield, which many supporters were clamouring for. He's someone who's played his favourites for years and didn't have a plan B when they couldn't be picked. The Kelvin Phillips replacement quote was very telling I agree, how does that make him a yes man though? Surely that proves the opposite, he's taking his favourites continually despite pressure to the contrary.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 28, 2024 14:32:21 GMT
In what way? What is he saying yes to? I can give you examples of why he isn't. Go on then. He's still a useless manager who shouldn't be in the position. He's turned down a number of roles in the FA, in particular the Senior Managers position He told the FA to do one when they tried to get all the players to miss training to go to Robben Island in SA. You can't name one instance where he is a yes man.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 28, 2024 14:33:22 GMT
The one thing Southgate isn't is a yes man, and that's probably why he's been able to have more success than his predecessors. In fact, I'd actually criticise his squad selection in this tournament as bowing down to what supporters want in terms of taking in-form players (Gordon, Bowen, Eze) ahead of actual better quality (Grealish) and also playing Trent in midfield, which many supporters were clamouring for. He's someone who's played his favourites for years and didn't have a plan B when they couldn't be picked. The Kelvin Phillips replacement quote was very telling How does this make him a yes man? Unless it's the suits telling him to select these footballers, which we know is a load of old pony.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 28, 2024 14:44:27 GMT
This 'yes man' narrative is without any foundation imo. I think it comes from the time when the FA didn't appoint Brian Clough.
It's a case of 'if you are going to beat the man at least beat him with the right stick.'
We've had loads of managers who you wouldn't describe as Yes men, and that hasn't been the answer (Capello, Allardyce, Hoddle, Venables, Robson) unless saying Yes to the job makes you a 'Yes' man.
He's dropped quite alot of players (like Rashford, Sterling, Phillips) who were described as his favourites, so that doesn't hold either.
The issues lie elsewhere. It's his inability to make a flexible tactical plan to suit the players and the specific game that seems his biggest issue atm, otherwise he's been relatively successful for the most part.
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 28, 2024 16:02:41 GMT
Go on then. He's still a useless manager who shouldn't be in the position. He's turned down a number of roles in the FA, in particular the Senior Managers position He told the FA to do one when they tried to get all the players to miss training to go to Robben Island in SA. You can't name one instance where he is a yes man. When did he stop them going to Robben Island?
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 28, 2024 16:10:16 GMT
This 'yes man' narrative is without any foundation imo. I think it comes from the time when the FA didn't appoint Brian Clough. It's a case of 'if you are going to beat the man at least beat him with the right stick.' We've had loads of managers who you wouldn't describe as Yes men, and that hasn't been the answer (Capello, Allardyce, Hoddle, Venables, Robson) unless saying Yes to the job makes you a 'Yes' man. He's dropped quite alot of players (like Rashford, Sterling, Phillips) who were described as his favourites, so that doesn't hold either. The issues lie elsewhere. It's his inability to make a flexible tactical plan to suit the players and the specific game that seems his biggest issue atm, otherwise he's been relatively successful for the most part. It does hold. He plays them until they are either injured or their positions are untenable. He's constantly broken his promise to play players who are in form.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 28, 2024 16:18:48 GMT
He's turned down a number of roles in the FA, in particular the Senior Managers position He told the FA to do one when they tried to get all the players to miss training to go to Robben Island in SA. You can't name one instance where he is a yes man. When did he stop them going to Robben Island? When Arjen said it was shut down for a drugs and hookers night.
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Post by skidog on Jun 28, 2024 16:21:56 GMT
This 'yes man' narrative is without any foundation imo. I think it comes from the time when the FA didn't appoint Brian Clough. It's a case of 'if you are going to beat the man at least beat him with the right stick.' We've had loads of managers who you wouldn't describe as Yes men, and that hasn't been the answer (Capello, Allardyce, Hoddle, Venables, Robson) unless saying Yes to the job makes you a 'Yes' man. He's dropped quite alot of players (like Rashford, Sterling, Phillips) who were described as his favourites, so that doesn't hold either. The issues lie elsewhere. It's his inability to make a flexible tactical plan to suit the players and the specific game that seems his biggest issue atm, otherwise he's been relatively successful for the most part. I and i imagine most others would have to question what you term as relatively successful, for myself it’s a case of he’s won absolutely fuck all and for me that constitutes failure! We are not one of the minnows of world football so reaching quarters, semi finals and even finals should not be viewed as some sort of fantastic achievement but more in line of ‘that’s the bare minimum’ given the wealth and depth of talent we have. For me, as long as he continues in that role, we’ll continue to win fuck all.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 28, 2024 16:59:47 GMT
This 'yes man' narrative is without any foundation imo. I think it comes from the time when the FA didn't appoint Brian Clough. It's a case of 'if you are going to beat the man at least beat him with the right stick.' We've had loads of managers who you wouldn't describe as Yes men, and that hasn't been the answer (Capello, Allardyce, Hoddle, Venables, Robson) unless saying Yes to the job makes you a 'Yes' man. He's dropped quite alot of players (like Rashford, Sterling, Phillips) who were described as his favourites, so that doesn't hold either. The issues lie elsewhere. It's his inability to make a flexible tactical plan to suit the players and the specific game that seems his biggest issue atm, otherwise he's been relatively successful for the most part. I and i imagine most others would have to question what you term as relatively successful, for myself it’s a case of he’s won absolutely fuck all and for me that constitutes failure! We are not one of the minnows of world football so reaching quarters, semi finals and even finals should not be viewed as some sort of fantastic achievement but more in line of ‘that’s the bare minimum’ given the wealth and depth of talent we have. For me, as long as he continues in that role, we’ll continue to win fuck all. Overall we aren't minnows. But we traditionally have been also rans. The definition of average. Aside from four years when have England ever been a true world power? Nit in our heads, a TRUE global force. We haven't been. The current frustration is because we have players to compete with the world's best. And it hasn't happened. Not yet anyway. We hope things start happening on Sunday
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 28, 2024 18:09:52 GMT
This 'yes man' narrative is without any foundation imo. I think it comes from the time when the FA didn't appoint Brian Clough. It's a case of 'if you are going to beat the man at least beat him with the right stick.' We've had loads of managers who you wouldn't describe as Yes men, and that hasn't been the answer (Capello, Allardyce, Hoddle, Venables, Robson) unless saying Yes to the job makes you a 'Yes' man. He's dropped quite alot of players (like Rashford, Sterling, Phillips) who were described as his favourites, so that doesn't hold either. The issues lie elsewhere. It's his inability to make a flexible tactical plan to suit the players and the specific game that seems his biggest issue atm, otherwise he's been relatively successful for the most part. I think it's just a badly-chosen phrase. What they mean is "company man", i.e. someone from within the setup imbued with the national team history, good with the media, unlikely to ruffle too many feathers and - importantly, especially after Allardyce - squeaky clean. I think those things are true of Southgate and fwiw I think they're generally positive rather than negative things.
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Post by questionable on Jun 28, 2024 19:38:38 GMT
Obviously I hope England succeed but all this hype about how good we are, golden generation is bollocks. Three to Four good players and the rest are gash
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Post by emretezzy on Jun 28, 2024 20:04:29 GMT
Obviously I hope England succeed but all this hype about how good we are, golden generation is bollocks. Three to Four good players and the rest are gash That statement is bollocks.
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Post by emretezzy on Jun 28, 2024 20:06:23 GMT
It's fashionable to crab England.
This tournament is wide open and we are one good performance off everyone being onside again and a draw to die for.
I think changes have been forced on him which are going give us a new dimension tomorrow. Plus a good few days rest.
Well here's hoping anyway.
Come on England!!
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Post by lordb on Jun 28, 2024 20:13:30 GMT
It's fashionable to crab England. This tournament is wide open and we are one good performance off everyone being onside again and a draw to die for. I think changes have been forced on him which are going give us a new dimension tomorrow. Plus a good few days rest. Well here's hoping anyway. Come on England!! Trying to think this way Very disappointed so far but the opportunity is there Good performance would change so much Atm I think the Slovakia game will be similar to what we have seen already but here's hoping
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Post by emretezzy on Jun 28, 2024 20:26:46 GMT
It's fashionable to crab England. This tournament is wide open and we are one good performance off everyone being onside again and a draw to die for. I think changes have been forced on him which are going give us a new dimension tomorrow. Plus a good few days rest. Well here's hoping anyway. Come on England!! Trying to think this way Very disappointed so far but the opportunity is there Good performance would change so much Atm I think the Slovakia game will be similar to what we have seen already but here's hoping Argentina lost to Saudi. No good being the best team in the groups. I honestly think the tournament rests on Sunday. One good win and its feel good all over again. I think the rest will have done us good. Hopefully not another Iceland!!!
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 28, 2024 20:27:13 GMT
When we get to the final and hopefully playing Germany...
Can we have a petition to play in the famous Red shirts and white shorts.
Would hate to play in that horrible dark grey/blue shite.
Would it be too late to get them manufactured etc?
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Post by questionable on Jun 28, 2024 20:44:45 GMT
Sorry but I don’t see a good performance in this team under Southgate, heard it after the first and second games and the result was exactly the same, one goal where their defender turned off and gifted us the goal
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 28, 2024 22:08:52 GMT
I hope we’ve been practicing penalties. Toney should get a run out at least.
Fingers crossed we don’t wait until the 119th minute to bring them on.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Jun 29, 2024 6:55:03 GMT
Konsa apparently next in line for the LB position, then Gomez.
In regards to the idea of playing Saka at LB, he's said that playing him out of position isn't the solution so hopefully that's the end of that. And rightly so.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 29, 2024 7:57:01 GMT
3-0 England.
Kane (2), Bellingham.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jun 29, 2024 8:13:12 GMT
No way is Konsa ahead of Gomez as a left back option. I hope Gomez doesn’t play as Southgate loves Trippier and pray Shaw is fit but doubt it. Konsa is pants.
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 29, 2024 8:42:00 GMT
Go on then. He's still a useless manager who shouldn't be in the position. He's turned down a number of roles in the FA, in particular the Senior Managers position He told the FA to do one when they tried to get all the players to miss training to go to Robben Island in SA. You can't name one instance where he is a yes man. I've googled it and can't find any reference to Southgate telling the FA to do one re. Robben Island? Was it during the 2010 World Cup?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 29, 2024 9:01:37 GMT
Southgate may not be a yes man,but he is a no mark manager.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jun 29, 2024 9:50:40 GMT
Konsa apparently next in line for the LB position, then Gomez. In regards to the idea of playing Saka at LB, he's said that playing him out of position isn't the solution so hopefully that's the end of that. And rightly so. Not playing him at all may be though!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 29, 2024 9:51:57 GMT
No team leaks yet?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 29, 2024 9:56:49 GMT
They all seem to think Mainoo in for Gallagher will be the only change - potentially Konsa for Trippier if he's not fit
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 29, 2024 9:58:45 GMT
They all seem to think Mainoo in for Gallagher will be the only change - and potentially Konsa for Trippier if he's not fit Disappointing he seems to be ignoring the Foden/Bellingham issue if that is the case
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 29, 2024 10:44:01 GMT
Trippier looks to be fit, so presumably he'll start. And at least Shaw is still training okay.
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