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Jun 27, 2024 17:19:25 GMT
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Post by werrington on Jun 27, 2024 17:19:25 GMT
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Jun 27, 2024 17:24:30 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 27, 2024 17:24:30 GMT
He shouldn’t start the next game
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Jun 27, 2024 17:26:00 GMT
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Post by teenagefanclub on Jun 27, 2024 17:26:00 GMT
Someone needs to post the Roy Keane clip
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 27, 2024 17:29:02 GMT
He shouldn’t start the next game Strange place to give birth with those people watching The fella in the cap doesn't seem to mind
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jun 27, 2024 17:43:54 GMT
Not quite England related but Clive Tyldesley to commentate on his last game for ITV on Saturday. Can I be the first to say, thank fuck for that.
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Post by superjw on Jun 27, 2024 17:46:15 GMT
Not quite England related but Clive Tyldesley to commentate on his last game for ITV on Saturday. Can I be the first to say, thank fuck for that. Can I be the second to say, thank fuck for that
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Jun 27, 2024 17:47:38 GMT
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Jun 27, 2024 17:47:38 GMT
Not quite England related but Clive Tyldesley to commentate on his last game for ITV on Saturday. Can I be the first to say, thank fuck for that. Can I be the second to say, thank fuck for that Agreed, used to like him but he gets on my nervous now.
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 27, 2024 21:10:30 GMT
Can't see the issue with Tyldesley. Comes across as a decent bloke with no edge to him unlike some. I'd happily listen to a duo of him and McCoist any day of the week.
Anything and anyone that keeps the dreadfully dull Matterface off the mic is pretty sound by my reckoning...
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Jun 27, 2024 21:28:15 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 27, 2024 21:28:15 GMT
3412 on Sunday
Pickford
Walker Stones Guehi
TAA Rice Bellingham Saka
Palmer
Toney Gordon
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Jun 27, 2024 21:31:43 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 27, 2024 21:31:43 GMT
3412 on Sunday Pickford Walker Stones Guehi TAA Rice Bellingham Saka Palmer Toney Gordon Gordon up front? I'd switch Gordon and Saka around if playing that
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Jun 27, 2024 21:50:21 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 27, 2024 21:50:21 GMT
3412 on Sunday Pickford Walker Stones Guehi TAA Rice Bellingham Saka Palmer Toney Gordon Gordon up front? I'd switch Gordon and Saka around if playing that Yep. Think playing alongside a player like Toney would be great. Southgate won't do it of course but we need something different and some pace in the team, plus a genuine left footer on the left. It will also free Stones to get further up the pitch which in turn will take the midfield further up. The passive, slow build up so far has been atrocious. Yes.. we have qualified into knock out stage but can anyone honestly say this is a tournament winning formula? We also seem to have lost our set piece threat, which has been very important in recent tournaments. Perhaps showing up our in play weaknesses??
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 27, 2024 22:15:12 GMT
Walker----Stones---Guehi-----Shaw🤞
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---Saka------Palmer------Gordon---
----------------Kane---------------
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Jun 28, 2024 7:38:15 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 28, 2024 7:38:15 GMT
You don't 'stumble' to win any tournament, and it would be a massive achievement. Feel like a lot of England fans genuinely don't want to see us progress and would be happy to see us drop out of the tournament. This. They're more happy with 'I told you so' than us actually winning it. I want us to win. I'm 54 and have been waiting over 45 years for us to win something. I've given up on Stoke ever winning a trophy so my only footballing chance of cheering on a winning team is England. I'm just frustrated the FA wankers appointed a yes man who has been dealt all the winning cards but doesn't have the gumption to use them. I've lived through Greenwood, Robson (who was pretty poor until Italia 90), Taylor, Capello, Keegan, McClaren, Hodgson and Allardyce. Venables was great but the FA was more concerned with someone clean cut than a winner, Hoddle looked alright until he lost the plot and Sven was OK. Southgate is a lucky general though - Maguire getting injured was the latest stroke of luck he's had - and he may get us over the line. It will be a stumble though if we do it.
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 28, 2024 7:39:59 GMT
It always boils my piss when alot of people say You've got to beat the best teams to win it ,I've always argued that you really don't have to ,a lucky draw and abit of luck along the way and hey presto you're there.. I wonder if some of the English fans who moan that we had an easy route and didnt deserve it (See J-Roar above), if they refuse to celebrate when we lift the trophy? Like others said before Stoke had an easy route to the FA Cup final lets be honest, but IF we had won we wouldnt be saying "well we didnt really deserve." Its just a ridiculous argument. From now Im supporting Goergia in the other side of the draw!! I won't moan, no. It's the only way we will win it though and we should have won the last tournament but the hapless manager blew it.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 28, 2024 7:54:18 GMT
Good news re Shaw. Though I don’t think he’s the second coming he should give us more balance on the left. For me I’d go
Pickford
Shaw Gueye Stones Walker
Rice Bellingham or Mainoo (too close to call for me)
Gordon Foden Palmer
Watkins
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Post by nott1 on Jun 28, 2024 8:23:43 GMT
It will be a miracle if England win this event. How many more times will we be let down?
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Jun 28, 2024 9:07:30 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 28, 2024 9:07:30 GMT
Walker----Stones---Guehi-----Shaw🤞 -------------Rice---------------- ----------------Bellingham------- ---Saka------Palmer------Gordon--- ----------------Kane--------------- Shaw hasn't trained with the others yet I'm not convinced Gordon has as much quality as some of the others but what he will do is attack the full back on the outside as such an overlapping fullback isn't as important as such if playing a back 4 with a ringer at left back that's probably the best option
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Jun 28, 2024 9:22:45 GMT
Good news re Shaw. Though I don’t think he’s the second coming he should give us more balance on the left. For me I’d go Pickford Shaw Gueye Stones Walker Rice Bellingham or Mainoo (too close to call for me) Gordon Foden Palmer Watkins You're spot on about having more balance on the left. We saw it when Stevens came back last season, having an actual LB playing at LB improved us. That wasn't down to Stevens being the second coming of Roberto Carlos, or simply being left footed, it was about him being a natural LB playing at LB. This is exactly why Southgate should've taken someone like Mitchell at Palace just incase Shaw wasn't fit.
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Jun 28, 2024 9:44:11 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 28, 2024 9:44:11 GMT
Walker----Stones---Guehi-----Shaw🤞 -------------Rice---------------- ----------------Bellingham------- ---Saka------Palmer------Gordon--- ----------------Kane--------------- Shaw hasn't trained with the others yet I'm not convinced Gordon has as much quality as some of the others but what he will do is attack the full back on the outside as such an overlapping fullback isn't as important as such if playing a back 4 with a ringer at left back that's probably the best option Attacking the full back is ace . In fact Saka with his quick feet and pace does it brilliantly for Arse. BUT the mindset of the England set up is he isn't inclined to do it. Which is a waste of talent.
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Jun 28, 2024 10:12:42 GMT
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Post by march4 on Jun 28, 2024 10:12:42 GMT
Since November, these are England’s results; Beat Malta 2-0 Drew with North Macedonia 1-1 Lost to Brazil 1-0 Drew with Belgium 2-2 Beat Bosnia 3-0 Lost to Iceland 1-0 Beat Serbia 1-0 Drew with Denmark 1-1 Drew with Slovenia 0-0
That suggests to me that even though we are in a weaker half of the draw, we are going to need a lot of luck and probably penalties if we are to reach the final.
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Post by pavel on Jun 28, 2024 10:19:27 GMT
Good news re Shaw. Though I don’t think he’s the second coming he should give us more balance on the left. For me I’d go Pickford Shaw Gueye Stones Walker Rice Bellingham or Mainoo (too close to call for me) Gordon Foden Palmer Watkins I like Gordon but not sure he's fully up to the task, that saying apart from his first game (first half) Saka has been poor. For me it's absolutely down to Southgate. If he speaks with Bellingham and tells him what he wants of him alongside rice it's almost a no brainer, same with Foden at number 10, same with Kane, keep him up top but we do look stale, Bellingham looks tired and doesn't have 90 minutes in his legs at the moment. It's all of Southgate's making and difficult to make too many changes now we've got to the sudden death stage. I would be inclined to rest Bellingham and bring Mainoo in, start with Saka and Palmer but only give Saka the 1st half if he doesn't improve, Foden is a must at number 10 and yes I would probably rest Kane for Watkins. Hard decisions need to be taken even with the big names/favourites and tactical changes need to be made as well. Is Southgate up to it, I'm not sure he is or ever was.
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Jun 28, 2024 10:30:23 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 28, 2024 10:30:23 GMT
Good news re Shaw. Though I don’t think he’s the second coming he should give us more balance on the left. For me I’d go Pickford Shaw Gueye Stones Walker Rice Bellingham or Mainoo (too close to call for me) Gordon Foden Palmer Watkins I like Gordon but not sure he's fully up to the task, that saying apart from his first game (first half) Saka has been poor. For me it's absolutely down to Southgate. If he speaks with Bellingham and tells him what he wants of him alongside rice it's almost a no brainer, same with Foden at number 10, same with Kane, keep him up top but we do look stale, Bellingham looks tired and doesn't have 90 minutes in his legs at the moment. It's all of Southgate's making and difficult to make too many changes now we've got to the sudden death stage. I would be inclined to rest Bellingham and bring Mainoo in, start with Saka and Palmer but only give Saka the 1st half if he doesn't improve, Foden is a must at number 10 and yes I would probably rest Kane for Watkins. Hard decisions need to be taken even with the big names/favourites and tactical changes need to be made as well. Is Southgate up to it, I'm not sure he is or ever was. I like Gordon primarily because he’s got raw pace which will always scare defenders.
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Post by mattythestokie on Jun 28, 2024 10:36:40 GMT
Pickford Walker Stones Guehi Trippier Rice Mainoo Saka Foden Gordon Kane
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 28, 2024 10:53:57 GMT
This. They're more happy with 'I told you so' than us actually winning it. I want us to win. I'm 54 and have been waiting over 45 years for us to win something. I've given up on Stoke ever winning a trophy so my only footballing chance of cheering on a winning team is England. I'm just frustrated the FA wankers appointed a yes man who has been dealt all the winning cards but doesn't have the gumption to use them. I've lived through Greenwood, Robson (who was pretty poor until Italia 90), Taylor, Capello, Keegan, McClaren, Hodgson and Allardyce. Venables was great but the FA was more concerned with someone clean cut than a winner, Hoddle looked alright until he lost the plot and Sven was OK. Southgate is a lucky general though - Maguire getting injured was the latest stroke of luck he's had - and he may get us over the line. It will be a stumble though if we do it. In what way is he a yes man?
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Jun 28, 2024 11:26:15 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 28, 2024 11:26:15 GMT
Umut Meler of Turkey is reffing us on Sunday
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Jun 28, 2024 13:29:05 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 28, 2024 13:29:05 GMT
I want us to win. I'm 54 and have been waiting over 45 years for us to win something. I've given up on Stoke ever winning a trophy so my only footballing chance of cheering on a winning team is England. I'm just frustrated the FA wankers appointed a yes man who has been dealt all the winning cards but doesn't have the gumption to use them. I've lived through Greenwood, Robson (who was pretty poor until Italia 90), Taylor, Capello, Keegan, McClaren, Hodgson and Allardyce. Venables was great but the FA was more concerned with someone clean cut than a winner, Hoddle looked alright until he lost the plot and Sven was OK. Southgate is a lucky general though - Maguire getting injured was the latest stroke of luck he's had - and he may get us over the line. It will be a stumble though if we do it. In what way is he a yes man? You don't get anywhere in that organisation, particularly with the lack of talent he displays, or get given £5 million a year without being a yes man.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 28, 2024 13:30:45 GMT
In what way is he a yes man? You don't get anywhere in that organisation, particularly with the lack of talent he displays, or get given £5 million a year without being a yes man. In what way? What is he saying yes to? I can give you examples of why he isn't.
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Jun 28, 2024 13:35:03 GMT
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 28, 2024 13:35:03 GMT
Since November, these are England’s results; Beat Malta 2-0 Drew with North Macedonia 1-1 Lost to Brazil 1-0 Drew with Belgium 2-2 Beat Bosnia 3-0 Lost to Iceland 1-0 Beat Serbia 1-0 Drew with Denmark 1-1 Drew with Slovenia 0-0 That suggests to me that even though we are in a weaker half of the draw, we are going to need a lot of luck and probably penalties if we are to reach the final. Think most teams who win tournaments will have won on penalties at some stage in the competition, though I might be wrong on that. Argentina won twice on penalties (2022) Italy won twice on penalties (2020) France won zero times on penalties (2018) Portugal won once on penalties (2016) Germany won zero times on penalties (2014) Spain won once on penalties (2012) German side in 2014 did require ET on two occasions though, against Algeria and then in the final against Argentina.
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Jun 28, 2024 13:44:14 GMT
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 28, 2024 13:44:14 GMT
You don't get anywhere in that organisation, particularly with the lack of talent he displays, or get given £5 million a year without being a yes man. In what way? What is he saying yes to? I can give you examples of why he isn't. The one thing Southgate isn't is a yes man, and that's probably why he's been able to have more success than his predecessors. In fact, I'd actually criticise his squad selection in this tournament as bowing down to what supporters want in terms of taking in-form players (Gordon, Bowen, Eze) ahead of actual better quality (Grealish) and also playing Trent in midfield, which many supporters were clamouring for.
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Jun 28, 2024 14:08:29 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 28, 2024 14:08:29 GMT
You don't get anywhere in that organisation, particularly with the lack of talent he displays, or get given £5 million a year without being a yes man. In what way? What is he saying yes to? I can give you examples of why he isn't. Go on then. He's still a useless manager who shouldn't be in the position.
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