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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 25, 2024 22:27:36 GMT
Liking the variation and flourish people are adding to these now. My work here is done. š
Utilised Gordon were actually pulled off that tour because several local council's banned them from even taking to the stage, as their apparent 'performance art' was seen as nothing more than an excuse for gratuitous live porn.
I was lucky enough to see one of the shows and to be fair, they were probably right ...
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This explains why I came back in piss stained pants which I'm thinking now wasn't piss and just ten pence to my name. The thing that's bugging me is what I did with my flip flop?
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Post by sevvy on Jun 25, 2024 22:29:45 GMT
A couple of the pundits on the panel said it, apparently played there when he first started out for Arsenal according to them. If he was ever going to try it, tonight was the night I guess, wasn't like Trippier had to do much defending. Hopefully Shaw is back soon because the left side just looks so unbalanced otherwise Sometime I despair at how little knowledge these pundits actually have. Southgate has already tried Saka on the left (twice) and both times he was absolutely rancid. He's already described the experiment as a failure and there isn't a cat in hells chance (quite rightfully) that he'll be trying it again.
Fair enough, but playing Trippier there isn't the answer either, hopefully Shaw will be fit for some part of the next game
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Post by spitshaw on Jun 25, 2024 22:32:20 GMT
What's going on with Bellingham? Supposed to be one of the best players in the world but he's looked completely disinterested the last two games
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 25, 2024 22:32:26 GMT
Also liked Wrighty's suggestion of trying Saka at left back/wing back Christ alive, he didn't actually suggest this did he? And to think that the clown actually gets paid for such knowledgeable 'insight'! Is it that bad of a shout? He started as a left back and looked good there in his first season. I wouldnāt do it but could add balance?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 25, 2024 22:36:26 GMT
Utilised Gordon were actually pulled off that tour because several local council's banned them from even taking to the stage, as their apparent 'performance art' was seen as nothing more than an excuse for gratuitous live porn.
I was lucky enough to see one of the shows and to be fair, they were probably right ...
This explains why I came back in piss stained pants which I'm thinking now wasn't piss and just ten pence to my name. The thing that's bugging me is what I did with my flip flop?
You don't remember all that fuss about their routine of pulling somebody out of the audience and then forcing the person to do 'things' with their footwear?
Actually, thinking about it, are you sure it wasn't the show that you attended, that ultimately got them banned?
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Post by senojbor on Jun 25, 2024 22:38:15 GMT
Whatever people think we have got through to the knockout stage without breaking sweat
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 25, 2024 22:38:40 GMT
Sometime I despair at how little knowledge these pundits actually have. Southgate has already tried Saka on the left (twice) and both times he was absolutely rancid. He's already described the experiment as a failure and there isn't a cat in hells chance (quite rightfully) that he'll be trying it again.
Fair enough, but playing Trippier there isn't the answer either, hopefully Shaw will be fit for some part of the next game
Absolutely scandalous that he didn't take at least one of Mitchell or Chilwell.
Who, without a shadow of a doubt, would have started tonight if he had done so.
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Post by datguy on Jun 25, 2024 22:40:32 GMT
What's going on with Bellingham? Supposed to be one of the best players in the world but he's looked completely disinterested the last two games He's running himself into the ground trying his hardest to make an inoperable system look semi-competent. He's being played in a position that doesn't suit himself and the players around him. Southgate does that to you.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 25, 2024 22:40:58 GMT
Whatever people think we have got through to the knockout stage without breaking sweat
That kind of doesn't mean a whole lot, if we go out of the next round whilst also not breaking sweat, which based on current performances, doesn't seem entirely unlikely ...
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 25, 2024 22:42:32 GMT
This explains why I came back in piss stained pants which I'm thinking now wasn't piss and just ten pence to my name. The thing that's bugging me is what I did with my flip flop?
You don't remember all that fuss about their routine of pulling somebody out of the audience and then forcing the person to do 'things' with their footwear?
Actually, thinking about it, are you sure it wasn't the show that you attended, that ultimately got them banned?
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It could well have been that show and I could well have been centre stage in that flip flop, I mean footwear act. All I will comment at this point is thank fuck social media wasn't a thing in those days and I wish to now be left alone.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 25, 2024 22:43:01 GMT
Christ alive, he didn't actually suggest this did he? And to think that the clown actually gets paid for such knowledgeable 'insight'! Is it that bad of a shout? He started as a left back and looked good there in his first season. I wouldnāt do it but could add balance?
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 25, 2024 22:43:20 GMT
Booing and throwing cups at the manager is silly, I understand his bemusement at the whole situation.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 25, 2024 22:44:04 GMT
You don't remember all that fuss about their routine of pulling somebody out of the audience and then forcing the person to do 'things' with their footwear?
Actually, thinking about it, are you sure it wasn't the show that you attended, that ultimately got them banned?
It could well have been that show and I could well have been centre stage in that flip flop, I mean footwear act. All I will comment at this point is thank fuck social media wasn't a thing in those days and I wish to now be left alone.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 25, 2024 22:45:34 GMT
Booing and throwing cups at the manager is silly, I understand his bemusement at the whole situation. I agree mate and hopefully this is the Mike Bassett 'four four fucking two' moment that gets us going.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 25, 2024 22:46:07 GMT
At least the knock outs does mean some actual brown pants stuff. The current format doesnāt deliver enough shocks or drama in the group stages, but you do get sides like Slovenia making it through as a result which is great for them.
Iāll be bricking it come Sunday afternoon, but donāt think Holland are any better than Denmark. Maybe even worse if anything.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 25, 2024 22:50:16 GMT
Booing and throwing cups at the manager is silly, I understand his bemusement at the whole situation. I agree mate and hopefully this is the Mike Bassett 'four four fucking two' moment that gets us going. It's pathetic, tell you what if we do go to war then I wouldn't want to be with a lot of England 'fans' in the trenches. They'd shit themselves at the first sign of any adversity or resilience. We as Stoke fans know more than anyone what it's like to suffer - but so many England fans are entitled as fuck.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 25, 2024 22:52:33 GMT
Is it that bad of a shout? He started as a left back and looked good there in his first season. I wouldnāt do it but could add balance? I still donāt think itās that bad an idea if you want a left footer there. I wouldnāt do it but the logic is there irrespective of a few games it didnāt work.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 25, 2024 23:04:07 GMT
I still donāt think itās that bad an idea if you want a left footer there. I wouldnāt do it but the logic is there irrespective of a few games it didnāt work.
Are you left footed mate?
If you are, I suppose even you could work there ...
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 25, 2024 23:13:10 GMT
If thereās anything sums up Southgate as a manager itās this group stages
Everyone worrying about how poor the defence is and suggesting we will have to outscore everyone
Concede only one goal from a long range shot and create the square root of fcuk all in 3 games
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Post by Mystic Stokie on Jun 25, 2024 23:13:44 GMT
Southgate will be gone irrespective of what happens from here. Imagine, for a minute, that we start or season badly and sack Schuey. We wouldnāt want Southgate would we and I imagine the same is true of many championship clubs. This is the England manager and youād have trouble finding a supporter of a struggling championship team that would want him. Hes absolutely woeful and itās a travesty that heās in charge of this group of players I would not want him nowhere near Stoke and I am sure that is the sentiment of the few who are still defending him if they were being honest.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 25, 2024 23:29:42 GMT
The squad is really struggling with balance. Two unadventurous fullbacks is a huge problem for us going forward. Weāre desperate for Shaw to be available. Iād drop Bellingham. Awful tonight, as just as poor last game. This A right footed left back doesn't provide the overlap and width to get crosses from in behind. And a left winger who doesn't want to be there doesn't either Trent Alexander doesn't receive the ball on the half turn in midfield and play incisive passes. He doesn't defend well but against a lot of opposition he doesn't have to. His assets are seeing the play in front of him and playing diagonals or crosses to runners in behind Rice is not really a holding midfielder, his strength is breaking up the play higher up to create chances but quick enough to recover if it breaks down. Wharton is the best holding midfielder if we need one but if the fullbacks don't get involved do we need one. Bellingham and Foden are both 10s but because they are such good players they are shoehorned into another position. Start one and if it's not working bring in the other. Palmer is naturally left footed which in modern tactics means he starts on the right which is bollocks. Him on the left compensates if you have to play Tripper or even Walker at LB. Saka is out of sorts in the three games I haven't seen him once try and beat his man on the outside for pace. Bowen in his cameo did it several times. The biggest problem is the static Kane who simply can't run in behind as he has lost what little pace he had. He can score like any good finisher but when he begins to drop deeper like an auxiliary 10 he's not occupying the attention of the two CBs by moving them around It's the eternal problem of how to accommodate Scholes, Gerard, Lampard and Beckham into a midfield three, it can't be done. Southgate has his senior players by reputation which he's never going to drop. Tonight he replaced Trent with Gallagher, hardly controversial. At halftime he replaced Gallagher with Mainoo again a non controversial decision but totally ineffective but it didn't upset any of the Senior Players. Having stuttered in to top place in the Group id expect England to advance from the 16 and likely the 8 but when it comes down to the business end, Madeleine McCann has more chance of coming home than Football to England
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Jun 25, 2024 23:36:08 GMT
Southgate HAS to start Mainoo and Palmer in the next game, Bellingham looks knackered and has done nothing in the last two games, so I would drop him, bring Foden in as the 10, and have Saka and Palmer on the wings.
But, given his record on team selection, I just canāt see him being bold, he will probably start Mainoo and bring Palmer on from the bench.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 25, 2024 23:41:43 GMT
I cant see England doing anything in this tournament now the fans have completely turned on them.
It never really works out well.
It feels like we came into this tournament with fans ready to yell for blood at the first stumble.
Its turned into a lethal cocktail of mis-management mixed with some unrealistic levels of expectation and entitlement.
It perhaps should never have got to this stage.
It will be a test of character for some of these players because now some of them might feel they have all the excuses to fail.
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Post by hamsta2 on Jun 25, 2024 23:44:19 GMT
Whatever people think we have got through to the knockout stage without breaking sweat That kind of doesn't mean a whole lot, if we go out of the next round whilst also not breaking sweat, which based on current performances, doesn't seem entirely unlikely ...
I can think of a few teams who have qualified whilst stinking the place out. Sometimes managers make changes. Bobby Robson. Tbh I havenāt a clue but donāt be surprised if Gordon starts and is a game changer. Or it could be Palmer. Watkins. Point being a player or two can come through and make a difference. A lucky substitution as a last throw of the proverbial can be a beautiful thing.
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Jun 25, 2024 23:46:43 GMT
I cant see England doing anything in this tournament now the fans have completely turned on them. It never really works out well. It feels like we came into this tournament with fans ready to yell for blood at the first stumble. Its turned into a lethal cocktail of mis-management mixed with some unrealistic levels of expectation and entitlement. It perhaps should never have got to this stage. It will be a test of character for some of these players because now some of them might feel they have all the excuses to fail. Things can change very quickly, for example if we win our next game 3-0 and he starts with Palmer, Gordon or whoever else, the fans and country will soon get behind them and things will look a lot better.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 25, 2024 23:54:18 GMT
That kind of doesn't mean a whole lot, if we go out of the next round whilst also not breaking sweat, which based on current performances, doesn't seem entirely unlikely ...
I can think of a few teams who have qualified whilst stinking the place out. Sometimes managers make changes. Bobby Robson. Tbh I havenāt a clue but donāt be surprised if Gordon starts and is a game changer. Or it could be Palmer. Watkins. Point being a player or two can come through and make a difference. A lucky substitution as a last throw of the proverbial can be a beautiful thing.
Robson was forced into making changes due to Robson and Wilkins both getting injured/suspended and ultimately, he was left with no other choice but to start Reid and Hoddle in the middle, as the public had previously been crying out for, it changed our tournament but not by design on the manager's part.
There is absolutely zero evidence of anything to be encouraged by due to Southgate's team selection so far, unless you want to point them out?
Of course changes could be made that will improve the team, that's exactly what people are calling for and indeed were calling for, prior to this evening's shit show.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 26, 2024 0:00:48 GMT
The squad is really struggling with balance. Two unadventurous fullbacks is a huge problem for us going forward. Weāre desperate for Shaw to be available. Iād drop Bellingham. Awful tonight, as just as poor last game. This A right footed left back doesn't provide the overlap and width to get crosses from in behind. And a left winger who doesn't want to be there doesn't either Trent Alexander doesn't receive the ball on the half turn in midfield and play incisive passes. He doesn't defend well but against a lot of opposition he doesn't have to. His assets are seeing the play in front of him and playing diagonals or crosses to runners in behind Rice is not really a holding midfielder, his strength is breaking up the play higher up to create chances but quick enough to recover if it breaks down. Wharton is the best holding midfielder if we need one but if the fullbacks don't get involved do we need one. Bellingham and Foden are both 10s but because they are such good players they are shoehorned into another position. Start one and if it's not working bring in the other. Palmer is naturally left footed which in modern tactics means he starts on the right which is bollocks. Him on the left compensates if you have to play Tripper or even Walker at LB. Saka is out of sorts in the three games I haven't seen him once try and beat his man on the outside for pace. Bowen in his cameo did it several times. The biggest problem is the static Kane who simply can't run in behind as he has lost what little pace he had. He can score like any good finisher but when he begins to drop deeper like an auxiliary 10 he's not occupying the attention of the two CBs by moving them around It's the eternal problem of how to accommodate Scholes, Gerard, Lampard and Beckham into a midfield three, it can't be done. Southgate has his senior players by reputation which he's never going to drop. Tonight he replaced Trent with Gallagher, hardly controversial. At halftime he replaced Gallagher with Mainoo again a non controversial decision but totally ineffective but it didn't upset any of the Senior Players. Having stuttered in to top place in the Group id expect England to advance from the 16 and likely the 8 but when it comes down to the business end, Madeleine McCann has more chance of coming home than Football to England
I agree with all of that mate, accept about Palmer, who hasn't played a single second of club football for either Citeh or Chelsea on the left.
That's not to say that he couldn't be effective there but surely we have an enough rich of talents at our disposal (and we do), that means we don't have to start experimenting at a major tournament.
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Post by biddulphchav on Jun 26, 2024 0:23:52 GMT
100%. A nothing player exactly like Mount. Gallagher will at least run about booting people until he gets booked though. Iād love either of those ānothingā players to play for Stoke. Obviously at our level theyād be quality. Itās like saying Steven Tweed was crap but then he turns up at your Sunday league game and dominates you
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Post by wannabee on Jun 26, 2024 0:24:54 GMT
This A right footed left back doesn't provide the overlap and width to get crosses from in behind. And a left winger who doesn't want to be there doesn't either Trent Alexander doesn't receive the ball on the half turn in midfield and play incisive passes. He doesn't defend well but against a lot of opposition he doesn't have to. His assets are seeing the play in front of him and playing diagonals or crosses to runners in behind Rice is not really a holding midfielder, his strength is breaking up the play higher up to create chances but quick enough to recover if it breaks down. Wharton is the best holding midfielder if we need one but if the fullbacks don't get involved do we need one. Bellingham and Foden are both 10s but because they are such good players they are shoehorned into another position. Start one and if it's not working bring in the other. Palmer is naturally left footed which in modern tactics means he starts on the right which is bollocks. Him on the left compensates if you have to play Tripper or even Walker at LB. Saka is out of sorts in the three games I haven't seen him once try and beat his man on the outside for pace. Bowen in his cameo did it several times. The biggest problem is the static Kane who simply can't run in behind as he has lost what little pace he had. He can score like any good finisher but when he begins to drop deeper like an auxiliary 10 he's not occupying the attention of the two CBs by moving them around It's the eternal problem of how to accommodate Scholes, Gerard, Lampard and Beckham into a midfield three, it can't be done. Southgate has his senior players by reputation which he's never going to drop. Tonight he replaced Trent with Gallagher, hardly controversial. At halftime he replaced Gallagher with Mainoo again a non controversial decision but totally ineffective but it didn't upset any of the Senior Players. Having stuttered in to top place in the Group id expect England to advance from the 16 and likely the 8 but when it comes down to the business end, Madeleine McCann has more chance of coming home than Football to England
I agree with all of that mate, accept about Palmer, who hasn't played a single second of club football for either Citeh or Chelsea on the left.
That's not to say that he couldn't be effective there but surely we have an enough rich of talents at our disposal (and we do), that means we don't have to start experimenting at a major tournament.
My bad, Gordon then which means Palmer is an option on the right
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Post by starkiller on Jun 26, 2024 1:19:38 GMT
I agree mate and hopefully this is the Mike Bassett 'four four fucking two' moment that gets us going. It's pathetic, tell you what if we do go to war then I wouldn't want to be with a lot of England 'fans' in the trenches. They'd shit themselves at the first sign of any adversity or resilience. We as Stoke fans know more than anyone what it's like to suffer - but so many England fans are entitled as fuck. Would German, Spanish, Italian, French, fans be happy with that? Maybe we're not at their level, but still, expecting a win against Slovenia is not 'entitled'. The best managers try the obvious, not over science it to the point of playing to a squad's weaknesses, not strengths. I guess it must be some great masterplan that us plebs are too stupid to understand. Maybe, we are deliberately shit, so that quality opposition will be shocked when we suddenly change. We can but hope.
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