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Jun 23, 2024 17:37:45 GMT
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Post by telfordstokie on Jun 23, 2024 17:37:45 GMT
Good for Kane with those press conference comments. Some of the criticism from the ex-pros has been unnecessarily over the top and fuelling the fire in the reaction to two admittedly bad performances. But we had same start to last Euros (arguable worse because Denmark are a better side than Scotland) and still reached the final.
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Jun 23, 2024 17:38:38 GMT
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Jun 23, 2024 17:54:01 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 23, 2024 17:54:01 GMT
Good for Kane with those press conference comments. Some of the criticism from the ex-pros has been unnecessarily over the top and fuelling the fire in the reaction to two admittedly bad performances. But we had same start to last Euros (arguable worse because Denmark are a better side than Scotland) and still reached the final. We played reasonably well in the first game last time, miles better than either game this time factor in Foden, Bellingham so much better now, Rice better, Saka better and so on it's not a clean comparison
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Jun 23, 2024 18:03:37 GMT
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Post by telfordstokie on Jun 23, 2024 18:03:37 GMT
Good for Kane with those press conference comments. Some of the criticism from the ex-pros has been unnecessarily over the top and fuelling the fire in the reaction to two admittedly bad performances. But we had same start to last Euros (arguable worse because Denmark are a better side than Scotland) and still reached the final. We played reasonably well in the first game last time, miles better than either game this time factor in Foden, Bellingham so much better now, Rice better, Saka better and so on it's not a clean comparison Yeah fair points and I’ve been pissed off with the performances so far like everyone. But do think it is a bit rich for pundits who’ve spent years talking up how toxic and pressurised it used to be playing for England leading the charge back to that with the way they are hammering the manager and players right now.
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Post by lordb on Jun 23, 2024 18:07:19 GMT
We played reasonably well in the first game last time, miles better than either game this time factor in Foden, Bellingham so much better now, Rice better, Saka better and so on it's not a clean comparison Yeah fair points and I’ve been pissed off with the performances so far like everyone. But do think it is a bit rich for pundits who’ve spent years talking up how toxic and pressurised it used to be playing for England leading the charge back to that with the way they are hammering the manager and players right now. What are they supposed to do lie?
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Post by telfordstokie on Jun 23, 2024 18:25:26 GMT
Yeah fair points and I’ve been pissed off with the performances so far like everyone. But do think it is a bit rich for pundits who’ve spent years talking up how toxic and pressurised it used to be playing for England leading the charge back to that with the way they are hammering the manager and players right now. What are they supposed to do lie? We’re top of the group by two points, there’s still time to improve and since 2018 we’ve had the best run of tournaments in most people’s lifetimes. The way they’ve been criticised is like we’ve lost both games 3-0. Just think there’s been a lack of context from the pundits - Lineker isn’t stupid and knows him calling them ‘shit’ is inevitably going to create headlines and get a reaction. Hopefully this will all end up being a positive, build a bit of siege mentality and they’ll put in a strong performance on Tuesday.
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Post by lordb on Jun 23, 2024 18:29:42 GMT
What are they supposed to do lie? We’re top of the group by two points, there’s still time to improve and since 2018 we’ve had the best run of tournaments in most people’s lifetimes. The way they’ve been criticised is like we’ve lost both games 3-0. Just think there’s been a lack of context from the pundits - Lineker isn’t stupid and knows him calling them ‘shit’ is inevitably going to create headlines and get a reaction. Hopefully this will all end up being a positive, build a bit of siege mentality and they’ll put in a strong performance on Tuesday. Lineker passionate critique of Kane was spot on to be fair I'm expecting Kane to respond to it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 18:45:46 GMT
Speak positive rather than them thinking they can't play a certain way? The manager has said they can't play a high pressing game because they aren't fit enough, so yeah let's talk about negativity Declan...
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Post by cdf on Jun 23, 2024 18:57:31 GMT
Speak positive rather than them thinking they can't play a certain way? The manager has said they can't play a high pressing game because they aren't fit enough, so yeah let's talk about negativity Declan... Absolute rubbish. You have ex international players having a pop at this group of players for not being very good in the past couple of games. The same group of ex international players that have not even got close to winning anything for England. This current crop of players have got every right to respond to those ex players
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Post by werrington on Jun 23, 2024 19:03:24 GMT
Speak positive rather than them thinking they can't play a certain way? The manager has said they can't play a high pressing game because they aren't fit enough, so yeah let's talk about negativity Declan... Absolute rubbish. You have ex international players having a pop at this group of players for not being very good in the past couple of games. The same group of ex international players that have not even got close to winning anything for England. This current crop of players have got every right to respond to those ex players Tbf ….Lineker played for an England side who lost on penalties to an absolute superb German outfit in the SFs in italia90 He was also part of the Mexico86 side who got beaten/cheated by a Maradona inspired Argentina Both of the above countries went on to win the World Cup in those tournaments That’s not defending him but it needs pointing out
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 23, 2024 19:04:47 GMT
Absolute rubbish. You have ex international players having a pop at this group of players for not being very good in the past couple of games. The same group of ex international players that have not even got close to winning anything for England. This current crop of players have got every right to respond to those ex players Tbf ….Lineker played for an England side who lost on penalties to an absolute superb German outfit in the SFs in italia90 He was also part of the Mexico86 side who got beaten/cheated by a Maradona inspired Argentina Both of the above countries went on to win the World Cup in those tournaments That’s not defending him but it needs pointing out He’s a jug eared, crisp shagging, sanctimonious berk😉
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 23, 2024 19:05:40 GMT
Speak positive rather than them thinking they can't play a certain way? The manager has said they can't play a high pressing game because they aren't fit enough, so yeah let's talk about negativity Declan... Absolute rubbish. You have ex international players having a pop at this group of players for not being very good in the past couple of games. The same group of ex international players that have not even got close to winning anything for England. This current crop of players have got every right to respond to those ex players They’re a big bunch of mardarses. Take it on the chin and shut them up on the pitch.
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Post by thornestein on Jun 23, 2024 19:10:47 GMT
Tbf ….Lineker played for an England side who lost on penalties to an absolute superb German outfit in the SFs in italia90 He was also part of the Mexico86 side who got beaten/cheated by a Maradona inspired Argentina Both of the above countries went on to win the World Cup in those tournaments That’s not defending him but it needs pointing out He’s a jug eared, crisp shagging, sanctimonious berk😉 you missed off “ bit of a prick the champagne socialist twat “
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Jun 23, 2024 19:12:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 19:12:02 GMT
Speak positive rather than them thinking they can't play a certain way? The manager has said they can't play a high pressing game because they aren't fit enough, so yeah let's talk about negativity Declan... Absolute rubbish. You have ex international players having a pop at this group of players for not being very good in the past couple of games. The same group of ex international players that have not even got close to winning anything for England. This current crop of players have got every right to respond to those ex players But the manager did say that, so he's himself pointing out what the players can't do rather than what they can do, and he's pretty much check mated them all in the press. The rest of your post is correct to a point. Some of the players that are laying into them have achieved roughly the same as them though.
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Post by cdf on Jun 23, 2024 19:43:24 GMT
Absolute rubbish. You have ex international players having a pop at this group of players for not being very good in the past couple of games. The same group of ex international players that have not even got close to winning anything for England. This current crop of players have got every right to respond to those ex players Tbf ….Lineker played for an England side who lost on penalties to an absolute superb German outfit in the SFs in italia90 He was also part of the Mexico86 side who got beaten/cheated by a Maradona inspired Argentina Both of the above countries went on to win the World Cup in those tournaments That’s not defending him but it needs pointing out But he's still not won a trophy for England. Kane's played in a final for England unlike Lineker
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Post by cdf on Jun 23, 2024 19:46:01 GMT
Absolute rubbish. You have ex international players having a pop at this group of players for not being very good in the past couple of games. The same group of ex international players that have not even got close to winning anything for England. This current crop of players have got every right to respond to those ex players They’re a big bunch of mardarses. Take it on the chin and shut them up on the pitch. I agree that should show it on the pitch and I think they will on Tuesday but Kane's not being a mard arse about it. He was just pointing out that they are getting criticized by people that have not got close to winning anything for England. Kane's showed a bit of class with his response
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Post by ian57 on Jun 23, 2024 20:25:25 GMT
I’d rather he came out fighting on the pitch.
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Jun 23, 2024 22:13:26 GMT
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Post by LphPotter on Jun 23, 2024 22:13:26 GMT
Absolute rubbish. You have ex international players having a pop at this group of players for not being very good in the past couple of games. The same group of ex international players that have not even got close to winning anything for England. This current crop of players have got every right to respond to those ex players They’re a big bunch of mardarses. Take it on the chin and shut them up on the pitch. They were asked the question what do you want them to say? Lineker was talking absolute nonsense. Kane’s response especially was fine and well articulated.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 23, 2024 22:19:09 GMT
They’re a big bunch of mardarses. Take it on the chin and shut them up on the pitch. I agree that should show it on the pitch and I think they will on Tuesday but Kane's not being a mard arse about it. He was just pointing out that they are getting criticized by people that have not got close to winning anything for England. Kane's showed a bit of class with his response Does that mean that no-one in England bar Sir Geoff can criticise them?
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Post by march4 on Jun 23, 2024 22:27:04 GMT
Lost to Brazil Lost to Iceland Scraped past Serbia Hung on for a draw against Denmark.
But of course the players think they are beyond criticism?
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Jun 23, 2024 23:24:57 GMT
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 23, 2024 23:24:57 GMT
Good on him, he's right. The criticism we are getting is a bit OTT when you consider we haven't lost a game yet. Performances have been poor admittedly but still, perspective needed.
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Jun 24, 2024 7:44:28 GMT
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Jun 24, 2024 7:44:28 GMT
Actually don’t mind the players coming out fighting, it can create that siege mentality, as long as they back it up on the pitch starting tomorrow.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 24, 2024 8:47:17 GMT
Everything with England is OTT, whether that's praise or criticism.
Players need to show it on the pitch not in interviews or press conferences. It's OK to build a siege mentality but at the end of the day it's about performances and results. Up to date the results have been OK but the performances have been dreadful - can they turn that around? I'm not sure.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 24, 2024 8:48:01 GMT
Actually don’t mind the players coming out fighting, it can create that siege mentality, as long as they back it up on the pitch starting tomorrow. He can Declan, very badly.
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Jun 24, 2024 8:53:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2024 8:53:57 GMT
Actually don’t mind the players coming out fighting, it can create that siege mentality, as long as they back it up on the pitch starting tomorrow. He can Declan, very badly. 100%...He looked like a competition winner the other night.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 24, 2024 9:07:30 GMT
He can Declan, very badly. 100%...He looked like a competition winner the other night. Mind you so did the rest of the team including Rice who was abysmal.
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Post by skip on Jun 24, 2024 9:12:53 GMT
100%...He looked like a competition winner the other night. Mind you so did the rest of the team including Rice who was abysmal. I tend not to notice individual performances, but Rice was absolutely shocking against Denmark.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 24, 2024 9:15:23 GMT
Mind you so did the rest of the team including Rice who was abysmal. I tend not to notice individual performances, but Rice was absolutely shocking against Denmark. He was but that was an anomaly. Usually he's 8 out of 10. I just don't get the TAA hype.
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Post by skip on Jun 24, 2024 9:17:50 GMT
I tend not to notice individual performances, but Rice was absolutely shocking against Denmark. He was but that was an anomaly. Usually he's 8 out of 10. I just don't get the TAA hype. Maybe that's why I noticed, but I couldn't get over how bad he was. I don't get TAA in midfield at all, and I generally rate him, albeit from afar off tele highlights.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 24, 2024 9:29:18 GMT
Actually don’t mind the players coming out fighting, it can create that siege mentality, as long as they back it up on the pitch starting tomorrow. I like Declan Rice and think he's a top player but he always comes across a bit naïve to me
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