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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 22, 2024 12:30:47 GMT
I've had real issues with this brain dead decision of taking unfit players to tournaments for yrs.....why take up a space with a player that may or may not be fit to play ? I can't understand what it achieves? I find it outrageous a top professional footballer can only use one foot to kick a ball with. It should be a standard target to succeed in the game
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jun 22, 2024 12:36:47 GMT
He has a chance to put things right on Tuesday. At least, vastly improve things. Start Mainoo or Wharton in midfield. Maybe even both, after Rice's performance against Denmark. Switch Foden into the 10, or drop him. He's no good on the left. Get Gordon on the left, who can run in behind and stretch the game. There's not much we can do about the left back situation. It's criminal we haven't got one LB in the entire squad. Give Watkins a start, who looked lively when he came on. Maybe a kick up the arse for Kane will remind him he has to put a bit more of a shift in. His place shouldn't be untouchable. The whole thing needs shaking up. That is the one positive going into Tuesdays game,they surely can't perform as bad as last Thursday.....can they? And I think he will still start the same 11. I wish. UNfortunately we have a team with some clueless players in it, no real fighting spirit from too many, and a thoughtfull manager who thinks a lot but has no bite. Has he ever stood on the touchline and done a Bill Shankly, Tony Pulis, Alex Ferguson, or Brian Clough rant to galvanise them into action?
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Jun 22, 2024 14:20:47 GMT
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Post by enuntio on Jun 22, 2024 14:20:47 GMT
This England squad need to dive into a pool full of gel. Lather each other up and get to know each other intimately.
Otherwise they'll be remembered as ragamuffin bunch of, boring under performers.
Southgate must have seen something that no one else has..
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Post by stokiekm on Jun 22, 2024 16:28:56 GMT
I've had real issues with this brain dead decision of taking unfit players to tournaments for yrs.....why take up a space with a player that may or may not be fit to play ? I can't understand what it achieves? I find it outrageous a top professional footballer can only use one foot to kick a ball with. It should be a standard target to succeed in the game Same here. Doesn't take much too become 2 footed. My son from 5 always practiced left & right shooting in equal amounts & guess what, he's strangely confident with both feet at 16
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Post by cdf on Jun 22, 2024 16:46:53 GMT
Southgate will change it for Tuesday, 100% but he will change it to the formation that he used in the last Euros with 3 at the back of Walker, Stones & Guehi.
Pickford
Walker - Stones - Guehi
Arnold - Rice - Bellingham - Trippier
Saka Foden
Kane
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Jun 22, 2024 16:50:29 GMT
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Post by werrington on Jun 22, 2024 16:50:29 GMT
It’s time for Anthony Gordon
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Jun 22, 2024 16:51:32 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2024 16:51:32 GMT
Southgate will change it for Tuesday, 100% but he will change it to the formation that he used in the last Euros with 3 at the back of Walker, Stones & Guehi. Pickford Walker - Stones - Guehi Arnold - Rice - Bellingham - Trippier Saka Foden Kane He didn't use that for the whole tournament though and hasn't used it since He's not going to use Trippier at LWB He's tried Saka there before but can't see him doing that could play Gordon there but he'd probably see that as too risky I think he'll just bring Gallagher in
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Jun 22, 2024 16:57:26 GMT
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 22, 2024 16:57:26 GMT
Luke Shaw set to fly home?
If so, not taking a single other left-footed left back in a full squad has to go down as one of the biggest fuck ups in the history of squad selections.
We take three goalkeepers for fuck sake.
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2024 17:02:11 GMT
Luke Shaw set to fly home? If so, not taking a single other left-footed left back in a full squad has to go down as one of the biggest fuck ups in the history of squad selections. We take three goalkeepers for fuck sake. 3 goalkeepers is mandatory but yes no left backs other than Shaw was utterly absurd
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Post by cdf on Jun 22, 2024 17:10:01 GMT
Southgate will change it for Tuesday, 100% but he will change it to the formation that he used in the last Euros with 3 at the back of Walker, Stones & Guehi. Pickford Walker - Stones - Guehi Arnold - Rice - Bellingham - Trippier Saka Foden Kane He didn't use that for the whole tournament though and hasn't used it since He's not going to use Trippier at LWB He's tried Saka there before but can't see him doing that could play Gordon there but he'd probably see that as too risky I think he'll just bring Gallagher in You are right that he did not use it for the whole of the tournament but it's the only other system that Southgate's used and knows. Trippier would have been the RWB but now for the huge mistake regarding Luke Shaw and no other left footed full-back, Trippier's got to be in that LWB position. I think with Trent and Saka on that right, we will see more press and penetration
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Jun 22, 2024 17:10:42 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 22, 2024 17:10:42 GMT
That is the one positive going into Tuesdays game,they surely can't perform as bad as last Thursday.....can they? And I think he will still start the same 11. I said the other day I think it’ll be even worse. However, that Serbia equaliser means Slovenia have to win which will surely make for a more open game. I just hope we take advantage of the space. I also believe it’ll be very important to deploy two direct wide men and possibly even Watkins up front. I would go with. Pickford Walker Stones Guehi Gomez Rice Bellingham Saka Foden Gordon Watkins/ Kane (not too sure we can leave out our record scorer but he’s looked laboured so far) I completely agree. I’d start with Watkins. Give Kane some rest.
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Jun 22, 2024 17:28:29 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2024 17:28:29 GMT
He didn't use that for the whole tournament though and hasn't used it since He's not going to use Trippier at LWB He's tried Saka there before but can't see him doing that could play Gordon there but he'd probably see that as too risky I think he'll just bring Gallagher in You are right that he did not use it for the whole of the tournament but it's the only other system that Southgate's used and knows. Trippier would have been the RWB but now for the huge mistake regarding Luke Shaw and no other left footed full-back, Trippier's got to be in that LWB position. I think with Trent and Saka on that right, we will see more press and penetration With an actual LWB it ought to be a really balanced team that without one it's not going to work properly 4231 or 433 with Foden left isn't working as no attacking LB I guess most would say go 433 or 4231 with Bellingham deep Foden behind the striker don't think he will do it He could drop Foden play 442 with Gordon and Watkins coming in, can't see him doing that He could go for Bayern suggestion of 4141 but with Gordon left not Palmer Can't see him doing that Just can't see him doing anything radical he's painted himself into a corner
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Jun 22, 2024 17:34:35 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 22, 2024 17:34:35 GMT
My pick for next match. 3-4-1-2
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.....Walker..Stones...Guehi........
Trippier..Bellingham..Rice....Saka
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Wide options with Saka left. Trippier in natural position. Security for Stones to get into midfield.
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Jun 22, 2024 17:35:47 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2024 17:35:47 GMT
My pick for next match. 3-4-1-2 ............Pickford............. .....Walker..Stones...Guehi........ Trippier..Bellingham..Rice....Saka ............Palmer................ .......Watkins......Toney.......... Wide options with Saka left. Trippier in natural position. Security for Stones to get into midfield. Thats a good point re Stones
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Post by OldStokie on Jun 22, 2024 18:33:54 GMT
Are we all being a bit over reactive to what's gone on? Yes, we've struggled for these first two games but with the players we've got we should improve as the tournament goes on. Only time will tell but all is not lost because of two bad games. I've certainly not given up on them or Southgate and think we'll improve from now on. Let's hope so.
OS.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 22, 2024 18:40:34 GMT
Are we all being a bit over reactive to what's gone on? Yes, we've struggled for these first two games but with the players we've got we should improve as the tournament goes on. Only time will tell but all is not lost because of two bad games. I've certainly not given up on them or Southgate and think we'll improve from now on. Let's hope so. OS. Just can't see us getting anywhere near this time, team looks unbalanced, disorganised and hasn't played well in either the build up or the first two games. Think we're out in the last 16 personally. Just had that all too familiar feeling this tournament does.
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2024 18:58:21 GMT
Are we all being a bit over reactive to what's gone on? Yes, we've struggled for these first two games but with the players we've got we should improve as the tournament goes on. Only time will tell but all is not lost because of two bad games. I've certainly not given up on them or Southgate and think we'll improve from now on. Let's hope so. OS. We probably are being OTT but feel utterly deflated been a big Southgate supporter but atm he's doing everything that his critics say he does
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jun 22, 2024 19:06:49 GMT
Are we all being a bit over reactive to what's gone on? Yes, we've struggled for these first two games but with the players we've got we should improve as the tournament goes on. Only time will tell but all is not lost because of two bad games. I've certainly not given up on them or Southgate and think we'll improve from now on. Let's hope so. OS. Just can't see us getting anywhere near this time, team looks unbalanced, disorganised and hasn't played well in either the build up or the first two games. Think we're out in the last 16 personally. Just had that all too familiar feeling this tournament does. There just looks to be too much work to do in too short a space of time. To get from where we are to a functioning team that's capable of beating the best in the latter stages of the tournament is just too big a leap in my opinion. Unless we get very lucky and stumble onto a winning formula in the next match we'll go out against the first good team we face. Either last 16 or Quarter Finals.
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Jun 22, 2024 19:27:21 GMT
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Post by questionable on Jun 22, 2024 19:27:21 GMT
Are we all being a bit over reactive to what's gone on? Yes, we've struggled for these first two games but with the players we've got we should improve as the tournament goes on. Only time will tell but all is not lost because of two bad games. I've certainly not given up on them or Southgate and think we'll improve from now on. Let's hope so. OS. In my opinion we’re one of the worst teams in the competition, 100% the worst set up. I said it from the very off we’ll progress from the group, although we should be on zero points then limp out quietly in the knock out stages It’s embarrassing hearing it’s coming home, most of the players are massively overrated and getting found out without their club players around them.
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 22, 2024 20:00:23 GMT
The only way we will progress out of the 16 round is adopting a three at the back system with Walker inside and Stones free to go forward.
We might as well try it next match to see who steps up.
Absolutely diabolical that we haven't got natural left footers in the squad to fill LB or LWB. (assuming Shaw not fit)
Saka LWB ?
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2024 20:08:24 GMT
The only way we will progress out of the 16 round is adopting a three at the back system with Walker inside and Stones free to go forward. We might as well try it next match to see who steps up. Absolutely diabolical that we haven't got natural left footers in the squad to fill LB or LWB. (assuming Shaw not fit) Saka LWB ? Don’t like it as he's so good on the right but he would be the only option could allow Palmer to come in Pickfor Walker, Stones and Guehi, as you say Stones licence to be a genuine libero TAA and Saka as wing backs Rice and Bellingham Palmer and Foden Kane Takes away goal threat from Bellingham Walker wouldn't be getting forward and Saka on the left takes something away from him too But Palmer in, Foden inside more and more from TAA it could be the best bet overall
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Jun 22, 2024 20:17:24 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 22, 2024 20:17:24 GMT
The only way we will progress out of the 16 round is adopting a three at the back system with Walker inside and Stones free to go forward. We might as well try it next match to see who steps up. Absolutely diabolical that we haven't got natural left footers in the squad to fill LB or LWB. (assuming Shaw not fit) Saka LWB ? Don’t like it as he's so good on the right but he would be the only option could allow Palmer to come in Pickfor Walker, Stones and Guehi, as you say Stones licence to be a genuine libero TAA and Saka as wing backs Rice and Bellingham Palmer and Foden Kane Takes away goal threat from Bellingham Walker wouldn't be getting forward and Saka on the left takes something away from him too But Palmer in, Foden inside more and more from TAA it could be the best bet overall How on earth have we got to this point after two games? People complaining of square pegs in round holes then suggesting we go 3 at the back Saka at left wing back etc🤦🏻♂️ I don’t disagree with your point by the way, just highlighting what a mess we’re in already at the mere suggestion of this monstrosity of a side. I think calm heads here, a couple of tweaks in current positions and a more front foot approach is what’s needed
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2024 20:21:22 GMT
Don’t like it as he's so good on the right but he would be the only option could allow Palmer to come in Pickfor Walker, Stones and Guehi, as you say Stones licence to be a genuine libero TAA and Saka as wing backs Rice and Bellingham Palmer and Foden Kane Takes away goal threat from Bellingham Walker wouldn't be getting forward and Saka on the left takes something away from him too But Palmer in, Foden inside more and more from TAA it could be the best bet overall How on earth have we got to this point after two games? People complaining of square pegs in round holes then suggesting we go 3 at the back Saka at left wing back etc🤦🏻♂️ I don’t disagree with your point by the way, just highlighting what a mess we’re in already at the mere suggestion of this monstrosity of a side. I think calm heads here, a couple of tweaks in current positions and a more front foot approach is what’s needed Absolutely it's an absurd situation
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Jun 22, 2024 20:22:31 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 22, 2024 20:22:31 GMT
The only way we will progress out of the 16 round is adopting a three at the back system with Walker inside and Stones free to go forward. We might as well try it next match to see who steps up. Absolutely diabolical that we haven't got natural left footers in the squad to fill LB or LWB. (assuming Shaw not fit) Saka LWB ? Don’t like it as he's so good on the right but he would be the only option could allow Palmer to come in Pickfor Walker, Stones and Guehi, as you say Stones licence to be a genuine libero TAA and Saka as wing backs Rice and Bellingham Palmer and Foden Kane Takes away goal threat from Bellingham Walker wouldn't be getting forward and Saka on the left takes something away from him too But Palmer in, Foden inside more and more from TAA it could be the best bet overall Don't think he will think about TAA as RWB. Trippier is his goto if he's wingbacking. Foden AND Palmer is a bridge too far in my opinion. One or the other. Controversial I know but I'd rest Captain Kane and play Watkins or Toney (or both) Make Walker skipper. He's been our standout and natural leader to me.
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2024 20:28:28 GMT
Don’t like it as he's so good on the right but he would be the only option could allow Palmer to come in Pickfor Walker, Stones and Guehi, as you say Stones licence to be a genuine libero TAA and Saka as wing backs Rice and Bellingham Palmer and Foden Kane Takes away goal threat from Bellingham Walker wouldn't be getting forward and Saka on the left takes something away from him too But Palmer in, Foden inside more and more from TAA it could be the best bet overall Don't think he will think about TAA as RWB. Trippier is his goto if he's wingbacking. Foden AND Palmer is a bridge too far in my opinion. One or the other. Controversial I know but I'd rest Captain Kane and play Watkins or Toney (or both) Make Walker skipper. He's been our standout and natural leader to me. Agree with Walker as captain - not a criticism of Kane either - Trippuer as RWB is fine (would play TAA though) Trippier at LWB is just a no Saka at LWB makes me wince but he's the only option if going with that system It's just a big fat mess but Bobby Robson turned worse messes around completely by ripping it up and starting again - Orange Juice 1983 - I think Southgate has to be radical don't think he will
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Post by nottsover60 on Jun 22, 2024 20:34:23 GMT
Are we all being a bit over reactive to what's gone on? Yes, we've struggled for these first two games but with the players we've got we should improve as the tournament goes on. Only time will tell but all is not lost because of two bad games. I've certainly not given up on them or Southgate and think we'll improve from now on. Let's hope so. OS. In my opinion we’re one of the worst teams in the competition, 100% the worst set up. I said it from the very off we’ll progress from the group, although we should be on zero points then limp out quietly in the knock out stages It’s embarrassing hearing it’s coming home, most of the players are massively overrated and getting found out without their club players around them. Yes this chart from the BBC shows only two teams have been worse than England at pressing, Albania and Romania Team PPDA GER 8.4 AUS 8.7 BEL 9.9 POR 10.2 DEN 10.9 CRO 11.5 UKR 12 ITA 12.4 SPA 12.5 SWI 14.2 SER 15.3 NED 16 TUR 17.2 POL 17.3 GEO 18.2 SVK 18.3 FRA 18.7 SCO 20.1 CZE 20.3 HUN 21.7 SVN 22.9 ENG 23.1 ALB 24 ROM 28.5 Lower PPDA score = better at pressing The article looks ar whether England players are too tired but the difference in the number of minutes played this season compared to other top teams is minimal in my opinion and can't be used as an excuse for our poor showing. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c6ppyw9yj12o
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Jun 22, 2024 20:42:59 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 22, 2024 20:42:59 GMT
Don't think he will think about TAA as RWB. Trippier is his goto if he's wingbacking. Foden AND Palmer is a bridge too far in my opinion. One or the other. Controversial I know but I'd rest Captain Kane and play Watkins or Toney (or both) Make Walker skipper. He's been our standout and natural leader to me. Agree with Walker as captain - not a criticism of Kane either - Trippuer as RWB is fine (would play TAA though) Trippier at LWB is just a no Saka at LWB makes me wince but he's the only option if going with that system It's just a big fat mess but Bobby Robson turned worse messes around completely by ripping it up and starting again - Orange Juice 1983 - I think Southgate has to be radical don't think he will Yes. Always think about that Bobby Robson tournament... Was it Hodge and Peter Reid who came in for regulars.?
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Jun 22, 2024 20:44:33 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2024 20:44:33 GMT
Agree with Walker as captain - not a criticism of Kane either - Trippuer as RWB is fine (would play TAA though) Trippier at LWB is just a no Saka at LWB makes me wince but he's the only option if going with that system It's just a big fat mess but Bobby Robson turned worse messes around completely by ripping it up and starting again - Orange Juice 1983 - I think Southgate has to be radical don't think he will Yes. Always think about that Bobby Robson tournament... Was it Hodge and Peter Reid who came in for regulars.? Definitely Hodge And Beardsley for Hately Yes Reid must have come in for the suspended Wilkins
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Jun 22, 2024 20:45:36 GMT
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Jun 22, 2024 20:45:36 GMT
My pick for next match. 3-4-1-2 ............Pickford............. .....Walker..Stones...Guehi........ Trippier..Bellingham..Rice....Saka ............Palmer................ .......Watkins......Toney.......... Wide options with Saka left. Trippier in natural position. Security for Stones to get into midfield. I've seen some genuinely thick posts on here but seeing the suggestion of putting Saka at LWB is right up there. He's been arguably our most dangerous player so let's not only take him from the right side and put him on the left, let's also stick him in a completely different role. A role that he's never played in his career. Fucking hell fire 😂
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Jun 22, 2024 20:51:08 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2024 20:51:08 GMT
My pick for next match. 3-4-1-2 ............Pickford............. .....Walker..Stones...Guehi........ Trippier..Bellingham..Rice....Saka ............Palmer................ .......Watkins......Toney.......... Wide options with Saka left. Trippier in natural position. Security for Stones to get into midfield. I've seen some genuinely thick posts on here but seeing the suggestion of putting Saka at LWB is right up there. He's been arguably our most dangerous player so let's not only take him from the right side and put him on the left, let's also stick him in a completely different role. A role that he's never played in his career. Fucking hell fire 😂 He's played for England at LWB before However taking him away from the right is definitely a negative I can’t see how we can change the side without taking something away from at least one player though Can we make the team better despite that (?)
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