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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 22, 2024 7:31:02 GMT
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Post by Han Solo on Jun 22, 2024 7:36:29 GMT
The Luke Shaw selection really is a puzzler.
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Jun 22, 2024 7:40:07 GMT
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Post by questionable on Jun 22, 2024 7:40:07 GMT
Worst team in the competition
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Jun 22, 2024 7:42:04 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 22, 2024 7:42:04 GMT
The Luke Shaw selection really is a puzzler. Yes, but it must have been on medical advice he may be fit. At least he isn’t playing him while unfit, which seems to be what he has admitted doing with others. Why do we not produce left backs?
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Jun 22, 2024 7:45:08 GMT
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Post by Han Solo on Jun 22, 2024 7:45:08 GMT
The Luke Shaw selection really is a puzzler. Yes, but it must have been on medical advice he may be fit. At least he isn’t playing him while unfit, which seems to be what he has admitted doing with others. Why do we not produce left backs? I guess because there’s less left footed people so there’s going to be slimmer pickings add to that at the top level we don’t develop English youngsters because it’s easier to bring in a finished article from abroad.
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Jun 22, 2024 8:12:59 GMT
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Post by delilahwhy on Jun 22, 2024 8:12:59 GMT
He has a chance to put things right on Tuesday. At least, vastly improve things.
Start Mainoo or Wharton in midfield. Maybe even both, after Rice's performance against Denmark. Switch Foden into the 10, or drop him. He's no good on the left. Get Gordon on the left, who can run in behind and stretch the game.
There's not much we can do about the left back situation. It's criminal we haven't got one LB in the entire squad.
Give Watkins a start, who looked lively when he came on. Maybe a kick up the arse for Kane will remind him he has to put a bit more of a shift in. His place shouldn't be untouchable.
The whole thing needs shaking up.
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Jun 22, 2024 8:44:12 GMT
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Post by kerouac on Jun 22, 2024 8:44:12 GMT
Could you give a brief synopsis…..I had the volume down as I was watching it on my music stand during the first act of an opera…😉 Is that you, India? Ha…..yes Trincs!!!! How you doing sunshine?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 22, 2024 9:18:21 GMT
If we're as out of condition as these stats and Southgate's quotes suggest, we're screwed.
No explanation why though - or whether it's a 26-man squad-wide affliction. Our squad haven't had uniquely hard seasons - far from it - and we've theoretically got the access to the best fitness coaches in the world
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Post by skip on Jun 22, 2024 9:27:54 GMT
dr lara @
the lionesses men’s team aren’t very good are they.
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Post by skip on Jun 22, 2024 9:31:15 GMT
If it's true that he gave the players numbers to a supposed 'first XI' and then others were deemed substitutes or 'game enders' then Southgate really has lost the plot. You don't take a squad to a tournament expecting the 'first XI' to play to win, but then admit that TAA in midfield was 'an experiment'. I was pro-Southgate for so many reasons, but this is turning into a bin fire.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 22, 2024 9:46:10 GMT
Great
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Jun 22, 2024 9:55:12 GMT
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 22, 2024 9:55:12 GMT
Absolutely criminal that we took Shaw knowing the situation.
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Jun 22, 2024 10:01:36 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 22, 2024 10:01:36 GMT
The Luke Shaw selection really is a puzzler. It's not really. England always take a crock in the hope they get fit. It never works
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Jun 22, 2024 10:04:55 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2024 10:04:55 GMT
The Luke Shaw selection really is a puzzler. It's not really. England always take a crock in the hope they get fit. It never works Indeed with 26 in the squad now totally understand taking Shaw but only in addition to actual left backs Chilwell has been Shaw back up for years but has played so badly he couldn't be picked That left Lewis at Man City and Mitchell at least one of those two should have gone
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 22, 2024 10:05:36 GMT
I think it was a reasonable enough gamble in the era of 26-man squads.
But not to take Chilwell, Mitchell or Hall too is unfathomable when there's always 5 or 6 who play no part.
We've sawn ourselves off at the ankles.
Hopefully the Trippier traffic cone thing will end - but the only alternatives seem to be Gomez or maybe Konsa, at a push, which is no kind of answer either
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Post by gcamoutsideboot on Jun 22, 2024 10:08:37 GMT
I think it was a reasonable enough gamble in the era of 26-man squads. But not to take Chilwell, Mitchell or Hall too is unfathomable when there's always 5 or 6 who play no part. We've sawn ourselves off at the ankles. Hopefully the Trippier traffic cone thing will end - but the only alternatives seem to be Gomez or maybe Konsa, at a push, which is no kind of answer either Colwill should have been our left back, easily the best of the bunch
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Jun 22, 2024 10:08:51 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2024 10:08:51 GMT
I think it was a reasonable enough gamble in the era of 26-man squads. But not to take Chilwell, Mitchell or Hall too is unfathomable when there's always 5 or 6 who play no part. We've sawn ourselves off at the ankles. Hopefully the Trippier traffic cone gamble will end - but the only alternatives seem to be Gomez or maybe Konsa, at a push, which is no kind of answer either Go wing backs with Gordon at LWB? Don’t like it tbh Not convinced by Gordon but it's going to have be him in front of either Trippier or Home as Gordon will stay wide and run at his fullback Grealish should be playing
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 22, 2024 10:10:57 GMT
I think it was a reasonable enough gamble in the era of 26-man squads. But not to take Chilwell, Mitchell or Hall too is unfathomable when there's always 5 or 6 who play no part. We've sawn ourselves off at the ankles. Hopefully the Trippier traffic cone thing will end - but the only alternatives seem to be Gomez or maybe Konsa, at a push, which is no kind of answer either Colwill should have been our left back, easily the best of the bunch Not really a natural LB though - and another who hasn't played since Feb/March. But left-footed and could offer more energy and natural width than Trippier - so definitely an improvement! Just to not go with anyone else almost defies belief
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Jun 22, 2024 10:11:11 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2024 10:11:11 GMT
I think it was a reasonable enough gamble in the era of 26-man squads. But not to take Chilwell, Mitchell or Hall too is unfathomable when there's always 5 or 6 who play no part. We've sawn ourselves off at the ankles. Hopefully the Trippier traffic cone thing will end - but the only alternatives seem to be Gomez or maybe Konsa, at a push, which is no kind of answer either Colwill should have been our left back, easily the best of the bunch At left back? Not convinced by him there, he's not going to provide any attacking benefit shone for U21's in centre defence look for him to play there Left side in a back 3 would really suit him Think Lewis is the most promising but he wants to come into midfield which isn't what we need either
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 22, 2024 10:14:28 GMT
I think it was a reasonable enough gamble in the era of 26-man squads. But not to take Chilwell, Mitchell or Hall too is unfathomable when there's always 5 or 6 who play no part. We've sawn ourselves off at the ankles. Hopefully the Trippier traffic cone gamble will end - but the only alternatives seem to be Gomez or maybe Konsa, at a push, which is no kind of answer either Go wing backs with Gordon at LWB? Don’t like it tbh Not convinced by Gordon but it's going to have be him in front of either Trippier or Home as Gordon will stay wide and run at his fullback Grealish should be playing Yeah maybe. Even Gordon is right-footed, although his left is decent and he stays wide and drives Foden is left-footed. Maybe if he was actually given instructions to stay wider and not drift in, he could do a job for the team. The other option is telling Saka to do that, but again ntot really natural to them, especially with no width coming from behind them at full-back.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2024 10:18:24 GMT
So we have a manager that doesn't know his best starting lineup, is having separation anxiety issues over Kalvin Phillips and Jordan Henderson, a left back that shouldn't be there, probable unrest in the camp and now the players are bizarrely not fit?
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Jun 22, 2024 10:22:00 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 22, 2024 10:22:00 GMT
Strange that our opponents on Thursday had eleven players in their squad who play in our country and they seemingly had no issues playing with energy and intensity throughout the whole 90 minutes.
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2024 10:23:11 GMT
Strange that our opponents on Thursday had eleven players in their squad who play in our country and they seemingly had no issues playing with energy and intensity throughout the whole 90 minutes. Thought the Scots although still no quality they managed to run about v Switzerland
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 22, 2024 10:26:03 GMT
Strange that our opponents on Thursday had eleven players in their squad who play in our country and they seemingly had no issues playing with energy and intensity throughout the whole 90 minutes. Thought the Scots although still no quality they managed to run about v Switzerland This tiredness argument has been peddled for years to justify poor performance in major competitions. For me, it’s a nonsense and this selection of Luke Shaw is unfathomably poor. Even if he’s fit to take the field he’s not played a game of football since February.
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Jun 22, 2024 10:34:22 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 22, 2024 10:34:22 GMT
The other thing with Southgate is how he's dead rubber qualifiers. Rather than blood alternatives he sticks with his favourites.
When his favourites are injured or go to shit he's snookered himself.
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Post by Bagwash on Jun 22, 2024 10:35:00 GMT
He has a chance to put things right on Tuesday. At least, vastly improve things. Start Mainoo or Wharton in midfield. Maybe even both, after Rice's performance against Denmark. Switch Foden into the 10, or drop him. He's no good on the left. Get Gordon on the left, who can run in behind and stretch the game. There's not much we can do about the left back situation. It's criminal we haven't got one LB in the entire squad. Give Watkins a start, who looked lively when he came on. Maybe a kick up the arse for Kane will remind him he has to put a bit more of a shift in. His place shouldn't be untouchable. The whole thing needs shaking up. That is the one positive going into Tuesdays game,they surely can't perform as bad as last Thursday.....can they? And I think he will still start the same 11.
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Jun 22, 2024 10:37:13 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jun 22, 2024 10:37:13 GMT
He has a chance to put things right on Tuesday. At least, vastly improve things. Start Mainoo or Wharton in midfield. Maybe even both, after Rice's performance against Denmark. Switch Foden into the 10, or drop him. He's no good on the left. Get Gordon on the left, who can run in behind and stretch the game. There's not much we can do about the left back situation. It's criminal we haven't got one LB in the entire squad. Give Watkins a start, who looked lively when he came on. Maybe a kick up the arse for Kane will remind him he has to put a bit more of a shift in. His place shouldn't be untouchable. The whole thing needs shaking up. He needs sacking and replacing ASAP. 5 million quid a year and he's ran out of steam and ideas.
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Jun 22, 2024 10:37:32 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 22, 2024 10:37:32 GMT
He has a chance to put things right on Tuesday. At least, vastly improve things. Start Mainoo or Wharton in midfield. Maybe even both, after Rice's performance against Denmark. Switch Foden into the 10, or drop him. He's no good on the left. Get Gordon on the left, who can run in behind and stretch the game. There's not much we can do about the left back situation. It's criminal we haven't got one LB in the entire squad. Give Watkins a start, who looked lively when he came on. Maybe a kick up the arse for Kane will remind him he has to put a bit more of a shift in. His place shouldn't be untouchable. The whole thing needs shaking up. That is the one positive going into Tuesdays game,they surely can't perform as bad as last Thursday.....can they? And I think he will still start the same 11. I don’t see anything other than another struggle.
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Jun 22, 2024 10:49:27 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 22, 2024 10:49:27 GMT
He has a chance to put things right on Tuesday. At least, vastly improve things. Start Mainoo or Wharton in midfield. Maybe even both, after Rice's performance against Denmark. Switch Foden into the 10, or drop him. He's no good on the left. Get Gordon on the left, who can run in behind and stretch the game. There's not much we can do about the left back situation. It's criminal we haven't got one LB in the entire squad. Give Watkins a start, who looked lively when he came on. Maybe a kick up the arse for Kane will remind him he has to put a bit more of a shift in. His place shouldn't be untouchable. The whole thing needs shaking up. That is the one positive going into Tuesdays game,they surely can't perform as bad as last Thursday.....can they? And I think he will still start the same 11. I said the other day I think it’ll be even worse. However, that Serbia equaliser means Slovenia have to win which will surely make for a more open game. I just hope we take advantage of the space. I also believe it’ll be very important to deploy two direct wide men and possibly even Watkins up front. I would go with. Pickford Walker Stones Guehi Gomez Rice Bellingham Saka Foden Gordon Watkins/ Kane (not too sure we can leave out our record scorer but he’s looked laboured so far)
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Post by peterpan1 on Jun 22, 2024 12:19:28 GMT
I've had real issues with this brain dead decision of taking unfit players to tournaments for yrs.....why take up a space with a player that may or may not be fit to play ? I can't understand what it achieves?
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