England

[biddulphchav]

We really don’t look like a team. We just look as though we’ve tried to get all our best players on the pitch. It reminds me of the days when we had Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes and we ended up with Scholes out on the left - and he just packed it in after a while as he was sick of it.

The Shaw thing is similar. There are a few PL English left backs that he could choose from. Not top players like Trippier but they are left backs ffs. Playing any match with 3 RB’s on the pitch really doesn’t make much sense to me. Similar story up top with Kane etc. Kane drops deep all the time and always has done. He works well with quick players who can run beyond him. He was good with Sterling and Rashford. Saka is fine but Foden should be a 10 with the quickest lad out of the forwards in Anthony Gordon maybe on the left.

Simply put, we’re not really a team and we won’t win f all until our manager gets this into his head.

[thisisouryear]

Jun 21, 2024 16:00:38 GMT biddulphchav said:

We really don’t look like a team. We just look as though we’ve tried to get all our best players on the pitch. It reminds me of the days when we had Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes and we ended up with Scholes out on the left - and he just packed it in after a while as he was sick of it.

The Shaw thing is similar. There are a few PL English left backs that he could choose from. Not top players like Trippier but they are left backs ffs. Playing any match with 3 RB’s on the pitch really doesn’t make much sense to me. Similar story up top with Kane etc. Kane drops deep all the time and always has done. He works well with quick players who can run beyond him. He was good with Sterling and Rashford. Saka is fine but Foden should be a 10 with the quickest lad out of the forwards in Anthony Gordon maybe on the left.

Simply put, we’re not really a team and we won’t win f all until our manager gets this into his head.

It's Southgate's tactics it's nothing else. His style of play doesn't suit our players and he can't adapt to suit them because he's too scared to let our team attack

[Miles Offside]

It's exasperating to watch. It's like we've got an overly-polite vicar in charge.

The Spanish and French have looked good so far.

[staffordstokiemad1]

I’m still convinced that if he moves Foden to the 10 role, drops Bellingham back beside Rice and puts Gordon on the left we will see a much better performance and we will also get the best out of Kane.

Southgate said before the Serbia game that we would be mad not to play Bellingham as a 10 because of how well he has done for Real Madrid in that role, but he has to realise it just doesn’t work for the balance of this side, because we just don’t have the players to fit into the system around him. Bellingham will be just as affective deeper, Foden is ineffective on the left, Bloody make the changes Gareth.


Funny isn’t it, everyone has spent weeks worrying about the back four, yet barring Trippier at left back it’s the attacking players we are all worrying about 2 games in.

[lordb]

Jun 21, 2024 16:29:27 GMT staffordstokiemad1 said:

I’m still convinced that if he moves Foden to the 10 role, drops Bellingham back beside Rice and puts Gordon on the left we will see a much better performance and we will also get the best out of Kane.

Southgate said before the Serbia game that we would be mad not to play Bellingham as a 10 because of how well he has done for Real Madrid in that role, but he has to realise it just doesn’t work for the balance of this side, because we just don’t have the players to fit into the system around him. Bellingham will be just as affective deeper, Foden is ineffective on the left, Bloody make the changes Gareth.

Imo you do lose Bellingham goal threat by dropping him back however you'd gain a greater goal threat from Foden

Utterly fed up with England though atm, was looking forward to this and it's been shit

[shakermaker]

Jun 20, 2024 17:48:13 GMT callas12 said:

Who'd be against this..? 🤔

Sack Safegate tonight.. yes straight after final whistle.

& appoint Klopp to manage England for the duration of our stay in the tournament!

Inject some passion & pride & make the players believe that they are as good as they are & to express themselves!

Seriously, I'd do it in 10mins time. Imagine if Klopp got the new manager bounce & only went on to win it 🏆

Dream - Southgate sacked this weekend, allowing Man Utd to take him on and Sarina Wiegman appointed as manager for next week’s match! England then go on to win the tournament… 😜

[thehartshillbadger]

Jun 21, 2024 16:50:19 GMT shakermaker said:

Jun 20, 2024 17:48:13 GMT callas12 said:

Who'd be against this..? 🤔

Sack Safegate tonight.. yes straight after final whistle.

& appoint Klopp to manage England for the duration of our stay in the tournament!

Inject some passion & pride & make the players believe that they are as good as they are & to express themselves!

Seriously, I'd do it in 10mins time. Imagine if Klopp got the new manager bounce & only went on to win it 🏆

Dream - Southgate sacked this weekend, allowing Man Utd to take him on and Sarina Wiegman appointed as manager for next week’s match! England then go on to win the tournament… 😜

Dream? The men in the white coats are coming for you

[superjw]

This is all on the manager and his tactics, plus his point blank refusal to drop Harry Kane.

Kane is part of the problem at the minute

[staffordstokiemad1]

Jun 21, 2024 16:57:09 GMT superjw said:

This is all on the manager and his tactics, plus his point blank refusal to drop Harry Kane.

Kane is part of the problem at the minute

Agreed, when he drops deep he is actually negatively impacting the team, this isn’t Spurs when he was there, we have the players to fill in those spaces he keeps dropping into, when he comes deeps it compacts the midfield and hinders any chance of us getting up the pitch and stretching teams, Gareth should be saying to him you stay up the pitch, do not drop deep and lead the press properly, and if he drops deep and ambles around in the next game pull him off and get Watkins on.

[superjw]

Jun 21, 2024 17:03:01 GMT staffordstokiemad1 said:

Jun 21, 2024 16:57:09 GMT superjw said:

This is all on the manager and his tactics, plus his point blank refusal to drop Harry Kane.

Kane is part of the problem at the minute

Agreed, when he drops deep he is actually negatively impacting the team, this isn’t Spurs when he was there, we have the players to fill in those spaces he keeps dropping into, when he comes deeps it compacts the midfield and hinders any chance of us getting up the pitch and stretching teams, Gareth should be saying to him you stay up the pitch, do not drop deep and lead the press properly, and if he drops deep and ambles around in the next game pull him off and get Watkins on.

Exactly, Lineker did a good analysis and there is also a podcast again with similar and saying exactly the same thing.

I think Kane had 1 touch in the box last night and that was the one he took to score - which was frankly a bread and butter striker goal, doing the absolute basics.

To have no other touches near the box said it all, far too deep and not good enough, any other player would be off and not starting another game.

Southgate builds his team around Kane and it’s not working anymore

[mtrstudent]

Jun 21, 2024 16:00:38 GMT biddulphchav said:

Similar story up top with Kane etc. Kane drops deep all the time and always has done. He works well with quick players who can run beyond him. He was good with Sterling and Rashford. Saka is fine but Foden should be a 10 with the quickest lad out of the forwards in Anthony Gordon maybe on the left.

That's a great post mate, but I like that part especially.

Trying Foden as one of the most important runners beyond Kane has failed badly. You need pace and direct runs.

And you've got tons of that just sitting on the bench. Wtf Gareth sort it out.

[callas12]

Jun 21, 2024 16:51:10 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

Jun 21, 2024 16:50:19 GMT shakermaker said:

Dream - Southgate sacked this weekend, allowing Man Utd to take him on and Sarina Wiegman appointed as manager for next week’s match! England then go on to win the tournament… 😜

Dream? The men in the white coats are coming for you

I should say it's years of following Stoke that creates these weird & wishful dreams & illusions of how we can strive to be successful!

Remember when folk thought Rafa Benitez was coming in to be Stoke manager?! 😉🤣

At least Wiegman becoming mens England manager as 'Shakermakers' Dream describes has legs!

[PotterLog]

My Arsenal mate has just tentatively floated "Saka has played left back before" with me.

That's how bad things are

[stokief]

Shoe-horning players in out of their natural position is pointless. It also means that the poor little bruised ego of the big-name who fails spectacularly on the world stage e.g Foden gets even more bruised and then breeds negativity in the camp. I'm still bamboozled as to why Southgate kept his job after the gutless debacle against Italy who were out on their feet and we played for penalties which of all people , Southgate should've not wanted. As I always say, England, the International Stoke City..promise so much, deliver so little

[questionable]

Worst team in the competition bar none

[Mystic Stokie]

Jun 21, 2024 17:46:19 GMT stokief said:

Shoe-horning players in out of their natural position is pointless. It also means that the poor little bruised ego of the big-name who fails spectacularly on the world stage e.g Foden gets even more bruised and then breeds negativity in the camp. I'm still bamboozled as to why Southgate kept his job after the gutless debacle against Italy who were out on their feet and we played for penalties which of all people , Southgate should've not wanted. As I always say, England, the International Stoke City..promise so much, deliver so little

And having them play a style they are all unfamiliar with(other than Pickford) is never going to work.

[Staffsoatcake]

It really is such a shame that all this talent is getting wasted by such an awful manager,what were the powers that be thinking that Southgate could win a major tournament?

It makes you wonder what other idiot they will pick once Southgate's fecked off.

[benjaminbiscuit]

Jun 21, 2024 17:36:47 GMT PotterLog said:

My Arsenal mate has just tentatively floated "Saka has played left back before" with me.

That's how bad things are

You can't have an Arsenal mate it's not possible 😁

[questionable]

The England squad visited an orphanage in Germany today. “It’s heartbreaking to see the despair and lack of hope on their faces” said Dieter, age 6.

[iancransonsknees]

[lordb]

Jun 21, 2024 18:02:14 GMT Staffsoatcake said:

It really is such a shame that all this talent is getting wasted by such an awful manager,what were the powers that be thinking that Southgate could win a major tournament?

It makes you wonder what other idiot they will pick once Southgate's fecked off.

I assume it will be Eddie Howe

[theteacher]

Jun 21, 2024 16:31:45 GMT lordb said:

Jun 21, 2024 16:29:27 GMT staffordstokiemad1 said:

I’m still convinced that if he moves Foden to the 10 role, drops Bellingham back beside Rice and puts Gordon on the left we will see a much better performance and we will also get the best out of Kane.

Southgate said before the Serbia game that we would be mad not to play Bellingham as a 10 because of how well he has done for Real Madrid in that role, but he has to realise it just doesn’t work for the balance of this side, because we just don’t have the players to fit into the system around him. Bellingham will be just as affective deeper, Foden is ineffective on the left, Bloody make the changes Gareth.

Imo you do lose Bellingham goal threat by dropping him back however you'd gain a greater goal threat from Foden

Utterly fed up with England though atm, was looking forward to this and it's been shit

Totally agree, the balance is just wrong but easily addressed with the players at the managers disposal. Heading out on Sunday for Tuesday game and hopefully more after that 😩

[kustokie]

Jun 21, 2024 17:03:01 GMT staffordstokiemad1 said:

Jun 21, 2024 16:57:09 GMT superjw said:

This is all on the manager and his tactics, plus his point blank refusal to drop Harry Kane.

Kane is part of the problem at the minute

Agreed, when he drops deep he is actually negatively impacting the team, this isn’t Spurs when he was there, we have the players to fill in those spaces he keeps dropping into, when he comes deeps it compacts the midfield and hinders any chance of us getting up the pitch and stretching teams, Gareth should be saying to him you stay up the pitch, do not drop deep and lead the press properly, and if he drops deep and ambles around in the next game pull him off and get Watkins on.

CFs drop back when they are frustrated with the lack service. That said the central attacking midfield was a mess with Bellingham, Foden and Kane all trying to play that role. This needs sorting. Unfortunately there’s no room for Foden and Bellingham, it’s either/or. Cole Palmer might be better than either of those two.

[mattythestokie]

Jun 21, 2024 15:36:09 GMT Veritas said:

Jun 21, 2024 15:19:10 GMT FullerMagic said:

Yep. It was always a stupid gamble when you've got those extra 3 players. Just having a left-footed left-back, even if not ideal like Chilwell or Mitchell, would have given so many more options.

It's so stupid you almost can't believe he's done it.

Surely if he was going without another LB, which I certainly wouldn't have done, he should now be playing Trippier at RB where he is OK and Walker at LB where his blistering pace would at least carry some threat.

I thought this. Although I spoke to a Man City fan at work who said Walker absolutely can not play LB and it’s a no go. Which surprised me.

[AlliG]

I have spent most of the last 3 days up the North Staffs Hospital (whatever it is called nowadays) with my Mum and neither of us have seen a game since the late Tuesday match.

From reading this thread, it seems like the 4 hour wait sitting in an ambulance round the back of A&E was more entertaining than the England game.

Sod it. It sounds like my Mum enjoyed the 4 hour wait lying in the ambulance round the back of A&E more than watching the England game. (Well she did have a very dishy young paramedic tending to her every need, including cups of tea. )

She should be back home for the final Group stage games, so England better improve as I wouldn't want her to have relapse.

[essexstokey]

Do we know what klop is doing after Liverpool woyld make a excellent English manager

[madnellie]

Jun 21, 2024 16:51:10 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

Jun 21, 2024 16:50:19 GMT shakermaker said:

Dream - Southgate sacked this weekend, allowing Man Utd to take him on and Sarina Wiegman appointed as manager for next week’s match! England then go on to win the tournament… 😜

Dream? The men in the white coats are coming for you

I mean, she couldn't do any worse and at least she's a proven winner

[thehartshillbadger]

Jun 21, 2024 21:14:28 GMT madnellie said:

Jun 21, 2024 16:51:10 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

Dream? The men in the white coats are coming for you

I mean, she couldn't do any worse and at least she's a proven winner

It’s a good point but there’s more chance of me pulling Michelle Keegan

[lordb]

Jun 21, 2024 21:12:31 GMT essexstokey said:

Do we know what klop is doing after Liverpool woyld make a excellent English manager

No chance, he wouldn't answer the phone

Pochetino if we are lucky
Eddie Howe if we aren't

[thisisouryear]

Jun 21, 2024 21:23:06 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

Jun 21, 2024 21:14:28 GMT madnellie said:

I mean, she couldn't do any worse and at least she's a proven winner

It’s a good point but there’s more chance of me pulling Michelle Keegan

I think there's more chance of Michelle Keegan and Megan Fox having a cat fight over me than that happening