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Post by noustie on Jun 21, 2024 11:03:51 GMT
Cheeky bastards Always had a soft spot for the Danes. The Danish. Great bunch of lads. Danish pastries and Hans Christian Andersen Where would the world be without them? PS one of the few countries to have been even more useless than the French in WW2. They tried to be neutral and still got occupied. On a tangent but 1864 on BBC was a good dramatisan of the second Schleswig War and it's impact on Danish culture - essentially they got humped off Prussia and they then stayed out of conflict from then until Yugoslavia in 1999! Interesting too it was part of the build-up to WW1 which I didn't know. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Schleswig_War
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Jun 21, 2024 11:16:06 GMT
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 21, 2024 11:16:06 GMT
Didn’t come on the oatcake last night, so don’t know what’s already been said Sack Gareth and give it Klopp till end t’season and we win tournament I nearly dropped my joint. True though Southgate is not a football coach, he’s an overseer. That’s useless in international football
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 21, 2024 11:16:17 GMT
The Danish. Great bunch of lads. Danish pastries and Hans Christian Andersen Where would the world be without them? PS one of the few countries to have been even more useless than the French in WW2. They tried to be neutral and still got occupied. On a tangent but 1864 on BBC was a good dramatisan of the second Schleswig War and it's impact on Danish culture - essentially they got humped off Prussia and they then stayed out of conflict from then until Yugoslavia in 1999! Interesting too it was part of the build-up to WW1 which I didn't know. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Schleswig_War Now this is what the Oatcake is all about. Talking football and gaining an education 👏👏👏
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Jun 21, 2024 11:17:53 GMT
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 21, 2024 11:17:53 GMT
If anyone is in doubt about how bad Southgate is I will just remind you Kieran Trippier has played Left Back for the past two games
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 21, 2024 11:32:41 GMT
If anyone is in doubt about how bad Southgate is I will just remind you Kieran Trippier has played Left Back for the past two games Who else you playing there?
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 21, 2024 11:35:20 GMT
If anyone is in doubt about how bad Southgate is I will just remind you Kieran Trippier has played Left Back for the past two games Who else you playing there? To be honest mate, anyone who is left footed An out of form Ben Chilwell is better than shoehorning Trippier in there
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 21, 2024 11:35:38 GMT
I nearly dropped my joint. True though Southgate is not a football coach, he’s an overseer. That’s useless in international football These players are coached to death, they don't need to be told how to play football. International management is about getting the best out of the players. Key is selection, tactics and game management. Southgate is failing on all those three so far.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 21, 2024 11:37:32 GMT
Who else you playing there? To be honest mate, anyone who is left footed An out of form Ben Chilwell is better than shoehorning Trippier in there You can't have a go at Southgate for not picking players not available to him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 21, 2024 11:42:39 GMT
To be honest mate, anyone who is left footed An out of form Ben Chilwell is better than shoehorning Trippier in there You can't have a go at Southgate for not picking players not available to him. He picked the fucking squad didn’t he? 🤣
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 21, 2024 11:43:16 GMT
You can't have a go at Southgate for not picking players not available to him. He picked the fucking squad didn’t he? 🤣 Was Chilwell available? If he was then I don't get why he isn't there and playing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2024 11:43:56 GMT
Southgate has just stayed in post for too long. He and the team look stale, which is an impressive stunt given the freshness of it in terms of bodies.
I feel for him in a way. He didn't choose himself for the role, that's down to the stiffs upstairs. He's made a good fist of building bridges with fans and media men from previous regimes but he's at risk of that blowing apart in a couple of weeks. His record in tournaments is actually pretty good for modern England.
His post match interview was ridiculous and a haunting reminder of our last 6 years with manager after manager babbling nonsense when the reaper is on the horizon.
As I've said at Stoke for years, nothing will really change until those responsible for appointing the managers change.
We need a totally fresh outlook with a modern manager capable of playing modern football.
Dychey it is then...
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 21, 2024 11:48:41 GMT
To be honest mate, anyone who is left footed An out of form Ben Chilwell is better than shoehorning Trippier in there You can't have a go at Southgate for not picking players not available to him. As far as I'm concerned, you go down the list of English left backs available to you even if brings you to Josh friggin Tymon You don't put a right back in there, it's fcuking bonkers How can a man who has played the game at such a high level, who is paid millions of pounds a year play two people out of position, it's bordering on criminal
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Post by femark on Jun 21, 2024 12:06:57 GMT
He picked the fucking squad didn’t he? 🤣 Was Chilwell available? If he was then I don't get why he isn't there and playing. It doesn't need to be Chilwell, we should have taken a back up left back not a few players that have been shoehorned in there before. Tyrick Mitchell would be the option if the others weren't fit.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 21, 2024 12:10:03 GMT
Was Chilwell available? If he was then I don't get why he isn't there and playing. It doesn't need to be Chilwell, we should have taken a back up left back not a few players that have been shoehorned in there before. Tyrick Mitchell would be the option if the others weren't fit. He mentioned Chillwell. Mitchell is a good call.
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Jun 21, 2024 12:40:12 GMT
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Post by mattythestokie on Jun 21, 2024 12:40:12 GMT
It doesn't need to be Chilwell, we should have taken a back up left back not a few players that have been shoehorned in there before. Tyrick Mitchell would be the option if the others weren't fit. He mentioned Chillwell. Mitchell is a good call. Id rather Lewis Hall than be forced to stick with Trippier for 90mins. I can get my head around him wanting someone he can trust to start there. But when the games turn like they have against Serbia and Denmark, we’re crying out for some balance and just having a left footed LB there will make a huge difference. Not having any other option there is criminal.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 21, 2024 12:57:49 GMT
He mentioned Chillwell. Mitchell is a good call. Id rather Lewis Hall than be forced to stick with Trippier for 90mins. I can get my head around him wanting someone he can trust to start there. But when the games turn like they have against Serbia and Denmark, we’re crying out for some balance and just having a left footed LB there will make a huge difference. Not having any other option there is criminal. We saw it with Stoke towards the end of the season Enda Stevens comes in and we look like decent team again. Doesn't need to be Roberto Carlos. Chilwell, Mitchell, Hall, Danny Collins
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Post by shrewspotter on Jun 21, 2024 13:13:59 GMT
Who else you playing there? To be honest mate, anyone who is left footed An out of form Ben Chilwell is better than shoehorning Trippier in there He could have taken Ben Chilwell, Tyrick Mitchell, Rico Henry or Lewis Hall. We have a squad of 26, some players will not get on the pitch whatsoever so take the insurance of a left back and sacrifice a player that is unlilely to paly such as Wharton, Konsa or Lewis Dunk. Its unbelieveable he hasnt to be honest
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Jun 21, 2024 13:18:58 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 21, 2024 13:18:58 GMT
To be honest mate, anyone who is left footed An out of form Ben Chilwell is better than shoehorning Trippier in there You can't have a go at Southgate for not picking players not available to him. Dan Burn would have made more sense than Duffy. Can play cb and a useful left back.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 21, 2024 13:50:20 GMT
Confirmed that Shaw is still not even back on the grass (copyright MON), only training indoors.
Absolutely barmy......
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jun 21, 2024 14:02:14 GMT
You can't have a go at Southgate for not picking players not available to him. Dan Burn would have made more sense than Duffy. Can play cb and a useful left back. Doesn't Levi Colwill play both positions as well?
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 21, 2024 14:03:28 GMT
Confirmed that Shaw is still not even back on the grass (copyright MON), only training indoors. Absolutely barmy...... It’s making me really mad, it’s a sackable offence on the spot.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jun 21, 2024 14:18:58 GMT
Dan Burn would have made more sense than Duffy. Can play cb and a useful left back. Doesn't Levi Colwill play both positions as well? in my opinion if he didnt want Chilwell then fair enough, take Tyrik Mitchell Played every game for Palace this season at Left Back!!!!
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Post by Caddick988 on Jun 21, 2024 14:27:05 GMT
It definitely looks too unbalanced with having Trippier at LB going forwards. I think any of Mitchell, Doughty, Chilwell would made us looked more balanced.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 21, 2024 14:51:09 GMT
Doesn't Levi Colwill play both positions as well? in my opinion if he didnt want Chilwell then fair enough, take Tyrik Mitchell Played every game for Palace this season at Left Back!!!! Only taking Shaw looked high risk from the start and now increasingly looks like recklessness.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 21, 2024 15:13:21 GMT
x.com/Tactx_/status/1804087934678667308v Serbia v Denmark Nothing down the left. Trippier is a traffic cone and Foden has no desire to spend any time there www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/20/england-hit-new-low-with-dire-performance-too-bad-to-be-boringYou have Kieran Trippier, a right-footed left-back who doesn’t even bother trying to disguise the fact – no feint, no shimmy, no darting eyes – that he’s going to turn back inside. You have Phil Foden, a left-footed player with very little interest in playing on the left wing, who always wants to come short into the central areas. England are essentially a team playing on 70% of the pitch, which is like trying to write an entire paragraph – like I did above – without using the letter A.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 21, 2024 15:16:59 GMT
The Shaw debacle will be what does for Southgate, however he juggles things around now it sticks out like a sore thumb....
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 21, 2024 15:19:10 GMT
The Shaw debacle will be what does for Southgate, however he juggles things around now it sticks out like a sore thumb.... Yep. It was always a stupid gamble when you've got those extra 3 players. Just having a left-footed left-back, even if not ideal like Chilwell or Mitchell, would have given so many more options. It's so stupid you almost can't believe he's done it.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 21, 2024 15:36:09 GMT
The Shaw debacle will be what does for Southgate, however he juggles things around now it sticks out like a sore thumb.... Yep. It was always a stupid gamble when you've got those extra 3 players. Just having a left-footed left-back, even if not ideal like Chilwell or Mitchell, would have given so many more options. It's so stupid you almost can't believe he's done it. Surely if he was going without another LB, which I certainly wouldn't have done, he should now be playing Trippier at RB where he is OK and Walker at LB where his blistering pace would at least carry some threat.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 21, 2024 15:42:21 GMT
Spot on. The sad thing is that most people can see it bar Southgate. The worrying thing for me is that his substitutions suggest that Gallagher (runs around a lot) and Bowen (decent at PL but not sure he’s a game changer) are ahead in the pecking order of Palmer and Gordon who for me offer far more. You can definitely see him going with Gallagher next to Rice next game and Bowen starting, that would be criminal. If Palmer and Gordon don’t get a big chunk of game time in the next game then you know he has bottled it. I’ve never been overly critical of Southgate, but he is proving the majority right in the sense that he can’t make big selection calls, yes he did it with his squad announcement but now it’s time to do it before and in games. Gallagher and Bowen must give Southgate an apple every day
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 21, 2024 15:50:38 GMT
It's pretty clear that this tournament is one too far for the manager. Players are hanging him out to dry but he's not helping himself with bizarre team selections. TAA would not be even in the squad if he played for anyone else bar Liverpool. He's abysmal. The balance is all wrong, albeit not helped by not having a fit and proper left back but England are again shoe horning players into the side. Foden should be in the middle - you saw it last night. I'd rest Bellingham on Tuesday as he looks knackered and put Wharton or Mainoo alongside Rice. Gordon has to play left to provide width and some energy. I don't think Kane is fit either. Southgate is hanging the players out to dry with his tactics. Our Midfield is just under relentless pressure on the edge of our 18 box so they will make mistakes. Rice made loads yesterday but let's all blame Trent. Southgate is the only problem, his subs should make a difference but they don't, regardless of who he plays we are always under pressure. We don't press teams from front to back that's the problem. We have the players of a Man City playing the style of a team trying to grind out 40 points to stay in the league
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