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Post by werrington on Jun 20, 2024 23:43:36 GMT
Just got in
The city centre was absolutely rammed after the match with Denmark and England mixing and singing together
What I will say though is there’s a large amount of Danish fans who seemed intent in provoking the English support with absolute uncalled for snide digs and songs about England
Fair play to the England fans for not reacting
Anyway I’m off to bed ….cmon England
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 21, 2024 0:43:10 GMT
The fact is we haven't got a decent defensive midfielder. Rice is not a good defensive midfielder, he could manage when Phillips was there but Arteta plays him much further up, protected by a very good defensive midfielder, and there is a reason for that.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 21, 2024 1:04:48 GMT
Just got in The city centre was absolutely rammed after the match with Denmark and England mixing and singing together What I will say though is there’s a large amount of Danish fans who seemed intent in provoking the English support with absolute uncalled for snide digs and songs about England Fair play to the England fans for not reacting Anyway I’m off to bed ….cmon England I know a few Danes and they have a massive chip on their shoulder about England because of various supposed controversies when we beat them in the semi last time. The kind of sense of injustice that seethes for years and decades if you’re on the wrong end of it, but that barely even registers if you win (I couldn’t even remember it was them we’d played tbh). Anyway they hate us for it 🤷🏼♂️
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 21, 2024 2:48:42 GMT
The fact is we haven't got a decent defensive midfielder. Rice is not a good defensive midfielder, he could manage when Phillips was there but Arteta plays him much further up, protected by a very good defensive midfielder, and there is a reason for that. Massively underrated position. Southgate got slated for trying to cover up the weak defence. I think he should go for it though. Bellingham is physical and can tackle, put him and rice behind Foden and just try to outscore them.
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Post by starkiller on Jun 21, 2024 3:26:19 GMT
I'd have Warnock or Allardyce in charge of this team in a heartbeat.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 21, 2024 5:34:35 GMT
Southgate has lost the plot then it seems, he never had it all together in the first place either.
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Post by adri2008 on Jun 21, 2024 5:36:28 GMT
If I was Southgate, I'd drop TAA and put Bellingham in there just to shut everyone up or at least try Mainoo/Wharton. Playing Gallagher would be very uninspiring - I don't think he's played too badly but he's better brought on as a sub to harass tiring players.
Some of the 'experts' want to put TAA at left back which sounds like a disaster. Another right footer who will be shit at defending - at least Trippier is solid.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 21, 2024 5:53:29 GMT
I criticised Southgate after the last euros ffmor baamd tactics now I'm certain we need a new manager even if we go on to win it very unlikely we need to replace as he's tactically inept
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 21, 2024 5:58:27 GMT
I'd have Warnock or Allardyce in charge of this team in a heartbeat. Or both, that’d be fun to watch!
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 21, 2024 6:07:08 GMT
As the dust settles on a new morning, what a shit show and Southgate is obviously to blame. Saying that, from the off, the passing was abysmal. It was just like watching England at numerous other tournaments but, we're still in it and could come good.
Denmark are 21st in FIFA rankings not 121st so it's a positive we didn't lose. Credit to them, they were much the better team!
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 21, 2024 6:07:08 GMT
If I was Southgate, I'd drop TAA and put Bellingham in there just to shut everyone up or at least try Mainoo/Wharton. Playing Gallagher would be very uninspiring - I don't think he's played too badly but he's better brought on as a sub to harass tiring players. Some of the 'experts' want to put TAA at left back which sounds like a disaster. Another right footer who will be shit at defending - at least Trippier is solid. If I was Southgate I would quit today and stop holding this team back
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 21, 2024 6:12:25 GMT
I think he’ll change to Foden at 10 with Bellingham dropping back for the next game. He can’t afford not to really. I would like to see a rat in midfield though to free Rice up. We never really replaced Kalvin Phillips👀🤣
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 21, 2024 6:22:06 GMT
Keep it tight and make sure we take the few chances that come along. Fine for a David vs Goliath. Not sure what the expectation is if that’s what you’re asking of ‘Goliath’? I’ve largely supported Southgate through most of the criticism he’s had, but the last 180 minutes have been atrocious. The two warm up games were dire, as were the games vs Brazil and Belgium. Man for man they’ve been really poor, but tactically I’ve no idea what they’re trying to do? I agree but that feels like what he's doing, maybe he's doing it to get out of the group and go from there but that seems pointless given the players he has, there's no need. It does seem really strange and if it's a lack of trust in some players, for example, why did he take them. It's puzzling.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jun 21, 2024 6:26:45 GMT
His remark " we've never replaced Kalvin Phillips but we are trying things". He should be sacked for that
1) phillips is fit B ) he's not good enough and never has been C) middle of a tournament isn't the right time to try things D) just go 433 and let them express themselves
We had so many players in defensive positions, it reminded me of Pulis and playing the cage with 2 not allowed to venture more than 10 yards in front of the centre halves
Southgate seems set on this formation and these tactics. A good manager and we'd win this, my fear is last 8 or 16
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Post by dadofsam on Jun 21, 2024 6:36:29 GMT
God I hope Southgate goes to The Shit - match made in heaven, they deserve each other and along with that tax dodging twat Ratcliffe could finally kill them off
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Post by Han Solo on Jun 21, 2024 6:41:08 GMT
Absolute shambles he looked like a man in a crisis yesterday and so he should after being bossed by the Danes.
I wouldn’t go with wholesale changes but something needs to happen.
Pickford
Trippier by default (why the hell take Shaw) Gueye Stones Walker
Rice Bellingham (please don’t bring in Gallagher he just runs around a lot)
Palmer or Gordon Foden Saka
Kane though it’s a close call with Watkins
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Jun 21, 2024 6:47:48 GMT
Awful performance, one of the worst I can remember, however, we do have the players to change things unlike years gone by.
At this point he’s got to rip it up and start again because if we continue as we are we will be out in the last 16. The balance is all wrong, get Rice and Bellingham next to each other, Foden as the 10, Gordon on the left and get us higher up the pitch.
Or he could be much braver and get Wharton in next to Rice, drop Foden for Gordon or Palmer. Whatever he decides he needs to do it in our next game to try and find some balance.
My major worry is him saying we are struggling without Phillips, that comment alone doesn’t fill you with confidence that he can or knows how to fix this mid tournament.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 21, 2024 6:58:02 GMT
We haven’t got a natural replacement for a basic player who had a good season at Leeds 3 years ago. Still can’t get over that. You’d think he was talking about someone like Rodri. Or, if he does think that, maybe play something different suited to everyone else you tit.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 21, 2024 7:06:38 GMT
Just got in The city centre was absolutely rammed after the match with Denmark and England mixing and singing together What I will say though is there’s a large amount of Danish fans who seemed intent in provoking the English support with absolute uncalled for snide digs and songs about England Fair play to the England fans for not reacting Anyway I’m off to bed ….cmon England That can't be true mate as all England fans are pissed up chair throwing wankers aren't they? 😉
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Post by Han Solo on Jun 21, 2024 7:09:04 GMT
Awful performance, one of the worst I can remember, however, we do have the players to change things unlike years gone by. At this point he’s got to rip it up and start again because if we continue as we are we will be out in the last 16. The balance is all wrong, get Rice and Bellingham next to each other, Foden as the 10, Gordon on the left and get us higher up the pitch. Or he could be much braver and get Wharton in next to Rice, drop Foden for Gordon or Palmer. Whatever he decides he needs to do it in our next game to try and find some balance. My major worry is him saying we are struggling without Phillips, that comment alone doesn’t fill you with confidence that he can or knows how to fix this mid tournament. Spot on. The sad thing is that most people can see it bar Southgate. The worrying thing for me is that his substitutions suggest that Gallagher (runs around a lot) and Bowen (decent at PL but not sure he’s a game changer) are ahead in the pecking order of Palmer and Gordon who for me offer far more.
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Jun 21, 2024 7:14:11 GMT
Awful performance, one of the worst I can remember, however, we do have the players to change things unlike years gone by. At this point he’s got to rip it up and start again because if we continue as we are we will be out in the last 16. The balance is all wrong, get Rice and Bellingham next to each other, Foden as the 10, Gordon on the left and get us higher up the pitch. Or he could be much braver and get Wharton in next to Rice, drop Foden for Gordon or Palmer. Whatever he decides he needs to do it in our next game to try and find some balance. My major worry is him saying we are struggling without Phillips, that comment alone doesn’t fill you with confidence that he can or knows how to fix this mid tournament. Spot on. The sad thing is that most people can see it bar Southgate. The worrying thing for me is that his substitutions suggest that Gallagher (runs around a lot) and Bowen (decent at PL but not sure he’s a game changer) are ahead in the pecking order of Palmer and Gordon who for me offer far more. You can definitely see him going with Gallagher next to Rice next game and Bowen starting, that would be criminal. If Palmer and Gordon don’t get a big chunk of game time in the next game then you know he has bottled it. I’ve never been overly critical of Southgate, but he is proving the majority right in the sense that he can’t make big selection calls, yes he did it with his squad announcement but now it’s time to do it before and in games.
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Post by pavel on Jun 21, 2024 7:26:40 GMT
Awful performance, one of the worst I can remember, however, we do have the players to change things unlike years gone by. At this point he’s got to rip it up and start again because if we continue as we are we will be out in the last 16. The balance is all wrong, get Rice and Bellingham next to each other, Foden as the 10, Gordon on the left and get us higher up the pitch. Or he could be much braver and get Wharton in next to Rice, drop Foden for Gordon or Palmer. Whatever he decides he needs to do it in our next game to try and find some balance. My major worry is him saying we are struggling without Phillips, that comment alone doesn’t fill you with confidence that he can or knows how to fix this mid tournament. Spot on. The sad thing is that most people can see it bar Southgate. The worrying thing for me is that his substitutions suggest that Gallagher (runs around a lot) and Bowen (decent at PL but not sure he’s a game changer) are ahead in the pecking order of Palmer and Gordon who for me offer far more. And that is absolutely the problem and his default reaction, both players (Bowen and Gallagher) aren’t good enough but are safety first options. So Southgate says he hasn’t got a replacement for Phillips, well do what managers are supposed to do and figure it out. Playing to the strengths of what midfield players he has available would be a good start. Rice and Bellingham together with Foden in front would be a starting point and using Palmer up front. Southgate has had qualification to sort this out but he too wedded to the idea of safety, safety, safety in midfield, rather than trying to boss the game.
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Post by redstriper on Jun 21, 2024 7:39:44 GMT
The fact is we haven't got a decent defensive midfielder. Rice is not a good defensive midfielder, he could manage when Phillips was there but Arteta plays him much further up, protected by a very good defensive midfielder, and there is a reason for that. He was poor yesterday, the worst game he's had in an England shirt by a country mile. But its not fair to say he isn't a good defensive midfielder, he's been immense in that position every other time I've seen him play.
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Post by cdf on Jun 21, 2024 7:41:05 GMT
How we played last night was exactly how we played in the qualifiers away to Ukraine & Macedonia.
They have also played exactly the same in every friendly match since the qualifiers. Nothing changes and that’s down to the manager. It’s never going to change.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 21, 2024 7:42:11 GMT
Tournaments are not won in the second game in Mexico for example Robson didn’t find his best team until the knock outs , Italy. Are masters at growing into tournaments , yes he needs to make changes , he certainly misses grealish more than his nonsense comments on Phillips but he has the players to improve if he finds the formula doesn’t have them to win it but he missed that chance 4 years ago and in Russia where favourable draws and more balanced squads missed their moment . ps I think I’m the only one who thinks Bellingham is being over hyped he’s a fine player but he doesn’t have the game to control a game he can make decisive contributions be he’s no kroos or modric at their peak where the games plays to their tempo like our own Alan Hudson Argentina lost to Saudi Arabia in their first game of the 2022 World Cup and went on to win the tournament. But I don’t remember them being that bad. In fact I can’t remember anything that bad. It was hideous. There have plenty worse , Iceland , etc losing in Norway etc but the big concern is he has no record of lightbulb moments bit plenty at subborn just stay as we are and hope For me Wharton has to start v Slovenia and id have a decent bet he doesnt
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Post by premieraj on Jun 21, 2024 7:44:48 GMT
Argentina lost to Saudi Arabia in their first game of the 2022 World Cup and went on to win the tournament. But I don’t remember them being that bad. In fact I can’t remember anything that bad. It was hideous. There have plenty worse , Iceland , etc losing in Norway etc but the big concern is he has no record of lightbulb moments bit plenty at subborn just stay as we are and hope For me Wharton has to start v Slovenia and id have a decent bet he doesnt I agree I’d start Wharton next to Rice. I’d rotate Saka and Foden on 65/70 mins and put Palmer or Eze wide left.
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Post by premieraj on Jun 21, 2024 7:45:16 GMT
There have plenty worse , Iceland , etc losing in Norway etc but the big concern is he has no record of lightbulb moments bit plenty at subborn just stay as we are and hope For me Wharton has to start v Slovenia and id have a decent bet he doesnt I agree I’d start Wharton next to Rice. I’d rotate Saka and Foden on 65/70 mins and put Palmer or Eze wide left. Try it FFS.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 21, 2024 7:47:32 GMT
Let’s be honest, while Southgate is ultimately accountable, what we’re seeing is hardly unfamiliar.
Bar the occasional bright spells the way England play as a national team is pretty much what we saw last night.
Unlike Spain, Italy, Germany, Portugal etc we never really look like we want the ball. Never look comfortable in possession and invariably panic when we go behind or come up against a side that asks questions of us.
I did think that maybe we were evolving into a more measured and controlled footballing side but sadly it doesn’t look like that’s happening.
On another note the world class talents we allegedly have look distinctly average.
Something happens when players put on an England shirt and it’s usually underwhelming.
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Post by skidog on Jun 21, 2024 7:51:48 GMT
Spot on. The sad thing is that most people can see it bar Southgate. The worrying thing for me is that his substitutions suggest that Gallagher (runs around a lot) and Bowen (decent at PL but not sure he’s a game changer) are ahead in the pecking order of Palmer and Gordon who for me offer far more. You can definitely see him going with Gallagher next to Rice next game and Bowen starting, that would be criminal. If Palmer and Gordon don’t get a big chunk of game time in the next game then you know he has bottled it. I’ve never been overly critical of Southgate, but he is proving the majority right in the sense that he can’t make big selection calls, yes he did it with his squad announcement but now it’s time to do it before and in games. Gallagher and Bowen, complete waste of two valuable squad places. I can’t see past either of them as just very average (at best) joes. 🤔
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Post by Veritas on Jun 21, 2024 7:58:12 GMT
Let’s be honest, while Southgate is ultimately accountable, what we’re seeing is hardly unfamiliar. Bar the occasional bright spells the way England play as a national team is pretty much what we saw last night. Unlike Spain, Italy, Germany, Portugal etc we never really look like we want the ball. Never look comfortable in possession and invariably panic when we go behind or come up against a side that asks questions of us. I did think that maybe we were evolving into a more measured and controlled footballing side but sadly it doesn’t look like that’s happening. On another note the world class talents we allegedly have look distinctly average. Something happens when players put on an England shirt and it’s usually underwhelming. I agree and for me Bellingham's performance was particularly worrying. He is not just yet another case of an over hyped English player who looks good in a PL team when surrounded by foreign talent this lad stands out at Real Madrid!! How then he was so anonymous last night and despite the press hype wasn't all that good in the first match.
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