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Post by delilahwhy on Jun 20, 2024 20:17:41 GMT
I'm a big supporter of Southgate, but even I can't defend that tonight. That was absolutely dreadful.
It's pretty telling that the likes of Rio, Lineker, Micah Richards, Shearer etc were all going in pretty hard too.
The squad is full of players that play attacking, front foot, aggressive, high tempo football week in, week out. Teams that apply an intense press from the front and play football at an energetic pace. How can anybody take that group of players and serve up what we saw tonight?
Don't get me wrong, the players need to take some responsibility too but that was clearly tactical tonight. They've obviously been asked to play that way. And it's completely baffling. To even name check Kalvin Phillips after the game is unbelievable too. He's got an embarrassment of riches at his disposal. Bellingham, Saka, Palmer, Foden, Rice, Eze et al.
And if he's worried about midfield options, why not give Wharton or Mainoo a try? They may be late to the party with little experience, but surely talent prevails? He's selected them for a reason, hasn't he? He's got 2 extremely talented young players there who will have big futures in the game. Why not give them a try? Both looked very good in the friendlies they played for England and have had great seasons for their clubs too. Give one, or both of them, a game for christ sake.
I just can't understand the thinking. It was slow, passive, disjointed, lethargic football. There was zero intensity. No press. No urgency. When we won free kicks we never looked to take a quick one to get things moving. When the ball went out of play we never looked to take a quick one to catch them off guard. We were constantly happy to let the clock tick down, let them get into shape and then just whack a hopeful long ball up the pitch which inevitably came back to us. It made no sense whatsoever. Not with the players at our disposal.
There was clearly zero intent to win that game. That absolutely came from Southgate. Surely the players must be scratching their heads at being asked to play that way when they play high intensity attacking football for their clubs?
There was no excuse for that tonight. It's irrelevant that we got a point. All that attacking talent at his disposal and he chooses to go down that avenue.
Kalvin Phillips?
Jesus fuckign wept.
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Jun 20, 2024 20:21:26 GMT
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Post by telfordstokie on Jun 20, 2024 20:21:26 GMT
I've been very supportive of Southgate, and I think overall he's done a fantastic job of picking us up from where we were (group stage exit & a last 16 vs Iceland in the two previous tournaments) but this is looking pretty ominous now as one tournament to many. We need to be on the front foot, no more experimenting in midfield and we have to start stepping onto teams. Left back we clearly have no alternative until Shaw is fit but the rest of the squad needs to be round pegs in round holes. Pickford TAA (for Slovenia) Stones Guehi Trips Rice Saka Foden Bellingham Gordon Watkins (Kane can sit one out) Agree it is looking like a tournament too far for him - if we get as far as meeting one of the big guns in the quarters or wherever we look like getting rolled over. For me the squad is not as strong or balanced as last two tournaments for variety of reasons but it has been a bit papered over by emergence of Bellingham as a global star (he was poor today like the rest). Also not taking Grealish looks a real mistake - not just for his talent but also seemed to be a really positive part of the squad. There were lots of reports of ‘shock’ at him missing out and Rice, etc, saying he was gutted. Would have been slightly harsh for someone like Eze to have missed out but don’t think it was worth the negative impact it seems to have had on the team dynamic if nothing else.
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Post by emretezzy on Jun 20, 2024 20:27:37 GMT
He played 3-2-4-1 today.
Which meant we had a Rb (3rd choice) playing LW and a Rb (second choice) playing CM.
It made Foden look wank as Trippier naturally dropped as deep as he could as he didn't feel confident going forward. Foden was then 30 yards off his man on the LW, just looking like he was out of position and chasing.
This team needs two changes.
Palmer/Gordon for Trent with Bellingham playing as an 8 and Foden 10.
Shaw LB this can't be helped but if he doesn't get fit we might as well pack the bags now.
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Jun 20, 2024 20:29:33 GMT
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Post by roscoepcoltrane on Jun 20, 2024 20:29:33 GMT
I'm a big supporter of Southgate, but even I can't defend that tonight. That was absolutely dreadful. It's pretty telling that the likes of Rio, Lineker, Micah, Richards etc were all going in pretty hard too. The squad is full of players that play attacking, front foot, aggressive, high tempo football week in, week out. Teams that apply an intense press from the front and play football at an energetic pace. How can anybody take that group of players and serve up what we saw tonight? Don't get me wrong, the players need to take some responsibility too but that was clearly tactical tonight. They've obviously been asked to play that way. And it's completely baffling. To even name check Kalvin Phillips after the game is unbelievable too. He's got an embarrassment of riches at his disposal. Bellingham, Saka, Palmer, Foden, Rice, Eze et al. And if he's worried about midfield options, why not give Wharton or Mainoo a try? They may be late to the party with little experience, but surely talent prevails? He's selected them for a reason, hasn't he? He's got 2 extremely talented young players there who will have big futures in the game. Why not give them a try? Both looked very good in the friendlies they played for England and have had great seasons for their clubs too. Give one, or both of them, a game for christ sake. I just can't understand the thinking. It was slow, passive, disjointed, lethargic football. There was zero intensity. No press. No urgency. When we won free kicks we never looked to take a quick one to get things moving. When the ball went out of play we never looked to take a quick one to catch them off guard. We were constantly happy to let the clock tick down, let them get into shape and then just whack a hopeful long ball up the pitch which inevitably came back to us. It made no sense whatsoever. Not with the players at our disposal. There was clearly zero intent to win that game. That absolutely came from Southgate. Surely the players must be scratching their heads at being asked to play that way when they play high intensity attacking football for their clubs? There was no excuse for that tonight. It's irrelevant that we got a point. All that attacking talent at his disposal and he chooses to go down that avenue. Kalvin Phillips? Jesus fuckign wept. Sorry but I missed the interview with Southgate. What’s the Phillips thing ?
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Jun 20, 2024 20:29:46 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jun 20, 2024 20:29:46 GMT
It's Kane or Foden in the current set up. Not both. Foden needs a Watkins type. Kane needs a Anthony Gordon type. And I'm convinced Jude's scoring spree will be a curse. Essentially a world class Joe Allen. He's bagging goals domestically but he's a box-to-box midfielder imo. Not a number 10. Play him deeper, and then you can justify Foden and Kane and ultimately a winger on the left. As I said the other day, this playing TAA in midfield malarkey needs to stop. You play footballers who have learned the midfield trade in midfield. Pickford Walker Stones Guehi Trippier Bellingham (8), Rice Foden Saka Kane Gordon (or Eze) This
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2024 20:36:50 GMT
Why do people keep mentioning Kelvin Phillips? Please don't tell me he name checked him in his interview?
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Jun 20, 2024 20:37:58 GMT
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Post by delilahwhy on Jun 20, 2024 20:37:58 GMT
I'm a big supporter of Southgate, but even I can't defend that tonight. That was absolutely dreadful. It's pretty telling that the likes of Rio, Lineker, Micah, Richards etc were all going in pretty hard too. The squad is full of players that play attacking, front foot, aggressive, high tempo football week in, week out. Teams that apply an intense press from the front and play football at an energetic pace. How can anybody take that group of players and serve up what we saw tonight? Don't get me wrong, the players need to take some responsibility too but that was clearly tactical tonight. They've obviously been asked to play that way. And it's completely baffling. To even name check Kalvin Phillips after the game is unbelievable too. He's got an embarrassment of riches at his disposal. Bellingham, Saka, Palmer, Foden, Rice, Eze et al. And if he's worried about midfield options, why not give Wharton or Mainoo a try? They may be late to the party with little experience, but surely talent prevails? He's selected them for a reason, hasn't he? He's got 2 extremely talented young players there who will have big futures in the game. Why not give them a try? Both looked very good in the friendlies they played for England and have had great seasons for their clubs too. Give one, or both of them, a game for christ sake. I just can't understand the thinking. It was slow, passive, disjointed, lethargic football. There was zero intensity. No press. No urgency. When we won free kicks we never looked to take a quick one to get things moving. When the ball went out of play we never looked to take a quick one to catch them off guard. We were constantly happy to let the clock tick down, let them get into shape and then just whack a hopeful long ball up the pitch which inevitably came back to us. It made no sense whatsoever. Not with the players at our disposal. There was clearly zero intent to win that game. That absolutely came from Southgate. Surely the players must be scratching their heads at being asked to play that way when they play high intensity attacking football for their clubs? There was no excuse for that tonight. It's irrelevant that we got a point. All that attacking talent at his disposal and he chooses to go down that avenue. Kalvin Phillips? Jesus fuckign wept. Sorry but I missed the interview with Southgate. What’s the Phillips thing ? He rambled about "we don't have a natural replacement for Kalvin Phillips". Presumably as some kind of excuse as to why we're struggling.
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Post by superjw on Jun 20, 2024 20:39:48 GMT
Thing is, we will simply get nowhere with Southgate, he’s is a safety first man and will not take chances. He’s the kind of bloke who;
Puts his phone on power saving mode at 99%… Takes an umbrella out in a heatwave… Washes his hands after a shower…
We have a generation of players who can easily win this competition and perhaps could/should have won the last 2.
He is the problem
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Jun 20, 2024 20:40:02 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 20, 2024 20:40:02 GMT
Sorry but I missed the interview with Southgate. What’s the Phillips thing ? He rambled about "we don't have a natural replacement for Kalvin Phillips". Presumably as some kind of excuse as to why we're struggling. Who’s been woeful this year by all accounts
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Jun 20, 2024 20:41:38 GMT
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Post by BristolMick on Jun 20, 2024 20:41:38 GMT
BBC saying Denmark held England to a draw!!! More like England held on for a draw. Exactly and when the BBC spouts utter bollox like this it’s easy to understand why the Scottish and Welsh support anyone but England. I would and I wish I did! BM
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Post by delilahwhy on Jun 20, 2024 20:41:43 GMT
I'm genuinely gobsmacked at the Kalvin Phillips comment. Can't get over it. Is he fucking mental?
Southgate walks into a Brass House. Sees Rita Ora, Scarlet Johansosn, Charlize Theron, Salma Hayek and Margot Robbie.
Comes out moaning that the fat bird from Baby Reindeer isn't there.
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Jun 20, 2024 20:44:23 GMT
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Post by roscoepcoltrane on Jun 20, 2024 20:44:23 GMT
Sorry but I missed the interview with Southgate. What’s the Phillips thing ? He rambled about "we don't have a natural replacement for Kalvin Phillips". Presumably as some kind of excuse as to why we're struggling. That’s fucking mental. FFS The one thing the football world is not currently crying out for is a natural replacement for a player who has had decent championship success and one decent PL season. I like Southgate but he has an absolute embarrassment of riches at his disposal and KP is a busted flush.
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Jun 20, 2024 20:45:32 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 20, 2024 20:45:32 GMT
Why do people keep mentioning Kelvin Phillips? Please don't tell me he name checked him in his interview? Yep
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 20, 2024 20:45:38 GMT
On that evidence Football has got completely pissed, lost his phone and can’t remember where home is let alone find it.
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Post by greenhoff on Jun 20, 2024 20:46:50 GMT
He should have been sacked for not taking a fully fit left back. It’s having a massive effect on the balance of the team whilst completely negating any attacking threat down the left hand side.
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Post by lordb on Jun 20, 2024 20:46:56 GMT
He played 3-2-4-1 today. Which meant we had a Rb (3rd choice) playing LW and a Rb (second choice) playing CM. It made Foden look wank as Trippier naturally dropped as deep as he could as he didn't feel confident going forward. Foden was then 30 yards off his man on the LW, just looking like he was out of position and chasing. This team needs two changes. Palmer/Gordon for Trent with Bellingham playing as an 8 and Foden 10. Shaw LB this can't be helped but if he doesn't get fit we might as well pack the bags now. Did he? Looked like a back 4 to me
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Post by sportsman on Jun 20, 2024 20:47:16 GMT
We’ve got a stoke headline response to England on here
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2024 20:51:25 GMT
Why do people keep mentioning Kelvin Phillips? Please don't tell me he name checked him in his interview? Yep For a minute there I thought you said 'yep'? Maybe it's a dream? <Bangs head on desk> No, we're stuck with it...
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Post by roscoepcoltrane on Jun 20, 2024 20:51:59 GMT
He played 3-2-4-1 today. Which meant we had a Rb (3rd choice) playing LW and a Rb (second choice) playing CM. It made Foden look wank as Trippier naturally dropped as deep as he could as he didn't feel confident going forward. Foden was then 30 yards off his man on the LW, just looking like he was out of position and chasing. This team needs two changes. Palmer/Gordon for Trent with Bellingham playing as an 8 and Foden 10. Shaw LB this can't be helped but if he doesn't get fit we might as well pack the bags now. Did he? Looked like a back 4 to me I thought it was a 4-2-3-1 which is what he usually plays. Very defensive.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 20, 2024 20:55:18 GMT
Tournaments are not won in the second game in Mexico for example Robson didn’t find his best team until the knock outs , Italy. Are masters at growing into tournaments , yes he needs to make changes , he certainly misses grealish more than his nonsense comments on Phillips but he has the players to improve if he finds the formula doesn’t have them to win it but he missed that chance 4 years ago and in Russia where favourable draws and more balanced squads missed their moment .
ps I think I’m the only one who thinks Bellingham is being over hyped he’s a fine player but he doesn’t have the game to control a game he can make decisive contributions be he’s no kroos or modric at their peak where the games plays to their tempo like our own Alan Hudson
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 20, 2024 20:55:42 GMT
He should have been sacked for not taking a fully fit left back. It’s having a massive effect on the balance of the team whilst completely negating any attacking threat down the left hand side. We have a right back playing left back and a right back playing centre midfield. Now I fucking love right backs and played there myself a fair bit. But one right back is enough for any team.
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Jun 20, 2024 20:56:50 GMT
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Post by peterpan1 on Jun 20, 2024 20:56:50 GMT
Anyone still defending the spineless tw@t that is Southgate ?
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Jun 20, 2024 20:57:38 GMT
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jun 20, 2024 20:57:38 GMT
What’s the game plan?
I honestly can’t see what they’re trying to do.
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Post by lordb on Jun 20, 2024 20:59:27 GMT
Spent most of last summer looking forward to England in Euros as an escape from what Stoke mostly turned out Now I'm looking forward to Stoke being bright next season after a bright end to the season
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2024 21:02:08 GMT
Nothing much more to be said, than what's already been said.
When the pundits are, to a man, going after the manager & that performance, you know that it was bad.
It was horrendous to watch.
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Post by liathroid on Jun 20, 2024 21:02:31 GMT
Why do people keep mentioning Kelvin Phillips? Please don't tell me he name checked him in his interview?
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Post by milton58 on Jun 20, 2024 21:03:11 GMT
He should have been sacked for not taking a fully fit left back. It’s having a massive effect on the balance of the team whilst completely negating any attacking threat down the left hand side. and not taking grealish
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Jun 20, 2024 21:03:50 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 20, 2024 21:03:50 GMT
For a minute there I thought you said 'yep'? Maybe it's a dream? <Bangs head on desk> No, we're stuck with it... 😂 It's the start of the end.
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Jun 20, 2024 21:04:52 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 20, 2024 21:04:52 GMT
Spent most of last summer looking forward to England in Euros as an escape from what Stoke mostly turned out Now I'm looking forward to Stoke being bright next season after a bright end to the season The one bright side is that Citeh, Arse, Villa, etc fans get to experience what it feels like to watch Stoke every week. Small consolation but it gives me at least some consolation. Feel our pain motherfuckers….
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Jun 20, 2024 21:05:51 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 20, 2024 21:05:51 GMT
What’s the game plan? I honestly can’t see what they’re trying to do. Keep it tight and make sure we take the few chances that come along.
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