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Post by butlerstbob on Jun 20, 2024 19:23:37 GMT
The faces of the players when they came out for the 2nd half all looked liked they'd had a massive fall out. 2 dreadful performance in a row. Said the same earlier, looks very much like he's lost the dressing room...square pegs in round holes! The players look totally pissed off with a can't be arsed attitude!!
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Post by nottsover60 on Jun 20, 2024 19:23:45 GMT
We have the best player in the Prem and the best player in La Liga and Southgate somehow manages to make them look hopeless. Such a waste. I agree Nellie and add to that Saka who is up there with the best wingers in the world and Kane up front who scores for fun and it's baffling to me why we are playing like we've just dropped a shit and are trying to get away from it. How does Kane play for Bayern? Just asking because I think he's part of our problem in terms of fast pressing attacking football. He drops so deep that we have no outlet up front when under pressure so pass backwards. He is so slow that fast attacking is impossible. At one stage today Bellingham went on a run with the ball and passed Kane so had no one ahead of him to either create space or to pass to. It is such a conundrum because he doesn't fit in the team yet is such a natural goal scorer.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 20, 2024 19:23:54 GMT
Southgate got lucky because of the players, he's an awful manager and always has been. His lack of managerial ability is showing. I honestly think we'd be better off with no manager for the rest of the tournament. I think that may have been on display tonight, but I guess if they pick themselves they might get it right
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Post by tuum on Jun 20, 2024 19:24:00 GMT
Nice to see the Danish FA choosing a Danish Company based in Aarhus to produce their kit - HUMMEL. Why do we have to have an American Company to do ours?? Money!
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Post by nottsover60 on Jun 20, 2024 19:29:21 GMT
We have the best player in the Prem and the best player in La Liga and Southgate somehow manages to make them look hopeless. Such a waste. I agree Nellie and add to that Saka who is up there with the best wingers in the world and Kane up front who scores for fun and it's baffling to me why we are playing like we've just dropped a shit and are trying to get away from it. And the second highest scorer in the Premier this season who hasn't had a look in yet. How can you leave the form player on the bench during such an abysmal attacking display? My heart always sinks when Bowen comes on. He is not international standard but gets on the pitch in both matches.
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Post by spitshaw on Jun 20, 2024 19:29:53 GMT
The way the lads are playing and acting at the moment stinks of when a club team turns on their manager and stop trying to get the manager fired. They're all shouting at each other on the pitch and no one seems to know what they're supposed to be doing. Their body language when they were waiting to come out in the second half was telling.
The main selling point for Southgate is supposed to be the vibes around the camp and how much the players love playing for England but that's clearly not happening at the moment, so you have to question what is he even bringing to the team now.
Eze looked like a competition winner and Bellingham was a lazy mard arse. Something isn't right
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 20, 2024 19:31:24 GMT
I agree Nellie and add to that Saka who is up there with the best wingers in the world and Kane up front who scores for fun and it's baffling to me why we are playing like we've just dropped a shit and are trying to get away from it. How does Kane play for Bayern? Just asking because I think he's part of our problem in terms of fast pressing attacking football. He drops so deep that we have no outlet up front when under pressure so pass backwards. He is so slow that fast attacking is impossible. At one stage today Bellingham went on a run with the ball and past Kane so had no one ahead of him to either create space or to pass to. It is such a conundrum because he doesn't fit in the team yet is such a natural goal scorer. Have to be honest and say I've not seen him alot for Bayern mate. The games I've seen him in he's scored in but he ofcourse is in a different team under a different manager. I was just getting at the goals he's scored career wise and in the past season. For what it's worth I felt Watkins offered far more threat when he came on today as his pace had the Danish back line scared and he looked far more of a threat despite Kane's goal.
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Post by march4 on Jun 20, 2024 19:33:26 GMT
Can we sack Southgate tonight and appoint Thomas Frank for the rest of the tournament?
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Post by datguy on Jun 20, 2024 19:34:24 GMT
It's Kane or Foden in the current set up. Not both. Foden needs a Watkins type. Kane needs a Anthony Gordon type.
And I'm convinced Jude's scoring spree will be a curse. Essentially a world class Joe Allen. He's bagging goals domestically but he's a box-to-box midfielder imo. Not a number 10. Play him deeper, and then you can justify Foden and Kane and ultimately a winger on the left.
As I said the other day, this playing TAA in midfield malarkey needs to stop. You play footballers who have learned the midfield trade in midfield.
Pickford
Walker Stones Guehi Trippier
Bellingham (8), Rice
Foden
Saka Kane Gordon (or Eze)
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jun 20, 2024 19:34:49 GMT
I've been very supportive of Southgate, and I think overall he's done a fantastic job of picking us up from where we were (group stage exit & a last 16 vs Iceland in the two previous tournaments) but this is looking pretty ominous now as one tournament to many. We need to be on the front foot, no more experimenting in midfield and we have to start stepping onto teams. Left back we clearly have no alternative until Shaw is fit but the rest of the squad needs to be round pegs in round holes. Pickford TAA (for Slovenia) Stones Guehi Trips Rice Saka Foden Bellingham Gordon Watkins (Kane can sit one out) Southgate got lucky because of the players, he's an awful manager and always has been. His lack of managerial ability is showing. Yeah, shame people like Sven couldn't share his record when he got 'lucky' isn't it?
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 20, 2024 19:34:52 GMT
I agree Nellie and add to that Saka who is up there with the best wingers in the world and Kane up front who scores for fun and it's baffling to me why we are playing like we've just dropped a shit and are trying to get away from it. And the second highest scorer in the Premier this season who hasn't had a look in yet. How can you leave the form player on the bench during such an abysmal attacking display? My heart always sinks when Bowen comes on. He is not international standard but gets on the pitch in both matches. Listen I totally agree regarding Palmer as he's class. I think the problem was not having Foden centrally from the off and out on the left. Start him as a ten and if that doesn't work then Palmer from the bench.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jun 20, 2024 19:38:26 GMT
Can we sack Southgate tonight and appoint Thomas Frank for the rest of the tournament? Or Klopp.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 20, 2024 19:38:53 GMT
We do t have a natural replacement for Calvin Philips
Jesus wept
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 20, 2024 19:40:14 GMT
We do t have a natural replacement for Calvin Philips Jesus wept Plot officially lost. Imagine being one of those midfielders and hearing that nonsense
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Post by premieraj on Jun 20, 2024 19:40:36 GMT
Christ on a bike! Saka and Foden play best in the same position? Just alternate them with 20 mins to go? Drop TAA and play Wharton or Mano and put Palmer or Eze on the left FFS!
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Post by gaznandi on Jun 20, 2024 19:42:21 GMT
The whole country (press included) playing the Alexander Arnold is the problem card, and whilst I agree to a point, why were the rest still so shit after he was subbed?
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Post by madnellie on Jun 20, 2024 19:42:23 GMT
Southgate got lucky because of the players, he's an awful manager and always has been. His lack of managerial ability is showing. I honestly think we'd be better off with no manager for the rest of the tournament. You could probably put an AI driven robot in charge and it wouldn't be any worse.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 20, 2024 19:43:39 GMT
BBC saying Denmark held England to a draw!!!
More like England held on for a draw.
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Post by madnellie on Jun 20, 2024 19:47:54 GMT
I agree Nellie and add to that Saka who is up there with the best wingers in the world and Kane up front who scores for fun and it's baffling to me why we are playing like we've just dropped a shit and are trying to get away from it. How does Kane play for Bayern? Just asking because I think he's part of our problem in terms of fast pressing attacking football. He drops so deep that we have no outlet up front when under pressure so pass backwards. He is so slow that fast attacking is impossible. At one stage today Bellingham went on a run with the ball and passed Kane so had no one ahead of him to either create space or to pass to. It is such a conundrum because he doesn't fit in the team yet is such a natural goal scorer. He scored a lot of goals, but overall much the same as we see for England. And Bayern had a pretty abysmal season too, by their high standards.
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Post by pistol on Jun 20, 2024 19:49:06 GMT
Look at the Spanish team right now forty yards further up the pitch than England were. If you’ve got six players sat on top of the 18 yard box when the keeper has the ball it doesn’t give you many options and invites the opposition to squeeze up
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 20, 2024 19:50:07 GMT
Southgate got lucky because of the players, he's an awful manager and always has been. His lack of managerial ability is showing. Yeah, shame people like Sven couldn't share his record when he got 'lucky' isn't it? So you you think he's a good manager then?
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Post by hcstokie on Jun 20, 2024 19:54:21 GMT
It's Kane or Foden in the current set up. Not both. Foden needs a Watkins type. Kane needs an Anthony Gordon type. And I'm convinced Jude's scoring spree will be a curse. Essentially a world class Joe Allen. He's bagging goals domestically but he's a box-to-box midfielder imo. Not a number 10. Play him deeper, and then you can justify Foden and Kane and ultimately a winger on the left. As I said the other day, this playing TAA in midfield malarkey needs to stop. You play footballers who have learned the midfield trade in midfield. Pickford Walker Stones Guehi Trippier Bellingham (8), Rice Foden Saka Kane Gordon (or Eze) I posted exactly the same after the first game, same team and formation. It’s really not difficult to try and get our best players in their best positions, with Gordon providing balance whilst Shaw isn’t fit.
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Post by datguy on Jun 20, 2024 19:59:06 GMT
It's Kane or Foden in the current set up. Not both. Foden needs a Watkins type. Kane needs an Anthony Gordon type. And I'm convinced Jude's scoring spree will be a curse. Essentially a world class Joe Allen. He's bagging goals domestically but he's a box-to-box midfielder imo. Not a number 10. Play him deeper, and then you can justify Foden and Kane and ultimately a winger on the left. As I said the other day, this playing TAA in midfield malarkey needs to stop. You play footballers who have learned the midfield trade in midfield. Pickford Walker Stones Guehi Trippier Bellingham (8), Rice Foden Saka Kane Gordon (or Eze) I posted exactly the same after the first game, same team and formation. It’s really not difficult to try and get our best players in their best positions, with Gordon providing balance whilst Shaw isn’t fit. Yep - truth of the matter is, despite how good Foden and Trippier are in their own rights, they don't represent a solid left hand side whatsoever. They've been non-existent.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 20, 2024 20:02:41 GMT
If you don’t play the best players in their position then they shouldn’t be played.
Happened for years. Shoehorning players into not natural positions just to get them in team.
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Post by danceswithclams on Jun 20, 2024 20:03:53 GMT
Can we sack Southgate tonight and appoint Thomas Frank for the rest of the tournament? The thing that fucks me off the most though is that pretty much any other manager (even outmoded dinosaurs like Dyche et al) would have this lot playing with purpose and an actual plan. I fucking hate Eddie Howe (and really do hope he's not the next England boss) but even that little tiny mouthed simp would do better than Choadgate 😤 To quote the sample at the start of Primal Scream's 'Loaded' - "Just what is it that you want to do?" Answer me that Gareth, you bag of warm piss.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 20, 2024 20:05:59 GMT
BBC saying Denmark held England to a draw!!! More like England held on for a draw. If you think the BBC can report on something honestly then you are too far gone.
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Post by bingbang on Jun 20, 2024 20:06:09 GMT
Did Bellingham play tonight ?
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Post by Club1863 on Jun 20, 2024 20:06:12 GMT
Awful tonight looked very lacklustre but we are still in poll position to win the group. With that in mind we have to balance the team against Slovenia who have nothing to loose.
Pickford
Walker Stones Guhei Trippier (unfortunately)
Bellingham Rice
Saka Foden Palmer
Watkins
Kane needs dropping to give him a kick up the arse and we need energy in the team which he doesn’t provide. Get Trent out of midfield he’s awful and looks lost.
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Post by henry on Jun 20, 2024 20:08:34 GMT
Can we sack Southgate tonight and appoint Thomas Frank for the rest of the tournament? The thing that fucks me off the most though is that pretty much any other manager (even outmoded dinosaurs like Dyche et al) would have this lot playing with purpose and an actual plan. I fucking hate Eddie Howe (and really do hope he's not the next England boss) but even that little tiny mouthed simp would do better than Choadgate 😤 To quote the sample at the start of Primal Scream's 'Loaded' - "Just what is it that you want to do?" Answer me that Gareth, you bag of warm piss. Bag of warm piss are a great band.
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Post by pavel on Jun 20, 2024 20:16:24 GMT
It’s was just so easy to adjust things tonight, Arnold off, Bellingham with rice, palmer up top. So what does he do, brings Gallagher on who isn’t good enough, then takes off our 2 best attacking players (Foden & Saka) and Kane (deservedly)and brings on Eze who looked lost and Bowen who is just not good enough, but he’s a runner.
Brings on Watkins who would have thrived with Foden, Saka and palmer, tactically inept. Then he bemoans not having Phillips.
He’s lost his comfort blanket of Henderson, Phillips and Maguire and is out of his depth to think beyond them, trying different players but playing the same old safety first game. A criminal waste of talent available.
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