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Post by cheadlepotter on Jun 20, 2024 18:59:59 GMT
You know when we’re watching Stoke, you can tell we’ve been scouted and the away team knows our strengths and weaknesses and exploits them with relative ease? That’s what it’s like watching England.
The manager is inept. I’m convinced that most of us on here couldn’t do a worse job. You don’t get to tournaments and then start a Trent experiment. There’s no need to stick Foden out on the left and make him much less effective. And the game management is poor too. We needed to stretch them, especially with their press potentially leaving gaps, so Gordon would have been a far better option than Eze who looked completely lost. Palmer had the 2nd most assists and 2nd most goals (ok, penalties included) in the PL, yet he’s bringing on Bowen.
I mentioned Ivory Coast at HT, how they sacked their manager in the group stage of the last AFCON and went on to win the tournament. I wish we would do the same. Yes Ivory Coast had home advantage and worse start to the tournament than we have this Euros, but we haven’t a chance with Southgate. It’s been decades since we last beat a decent team in the knockouts of a tournament away from home, this won’t change this summer. Act now.
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 20, 2024 19:00:10 GMT
We are making a balls up of this. I can see us struggling again in the next match, finishing second in the group, and playing Germany in the last 16. On current form, if that happens it will be goodnight, god bless, and Auf Weidersehen Pet to England in this tournament.
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Post by DC1863 on Jun 20, 2024 19:01:34 GMT
Southgate still trying to replicate 2008-12 Spain side, the game has moved on.
Constant front-foot attacking pressure with fluid front lines has been the name of the game for several years now - gegenpress.
Think it looks like the players aren't happy with how they're playing, time for a change now, the FA will 100% see it.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 20, 2024 19:03:45 GMT
Kalvin Phillips 😂 fuck me. If you’re that bothered for players you haven’t picked look at Grealish and even Rashford. He’s been too quick to discard those not performing at club level this time around, after sticking by them staunchly usually. The balance of the squad looks off to me. Form players are fine but you need tried and tested tournament players too!
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Post by headsgoup on Jun 20, 2024 19:05:43 GMT
What’s worrying is the players think it was ok. They keep saying it’s tournament football for you. Can someone explain to me when people say it’s full of international players well so it citeh v Real Madrid, or even Brentford v Fulham. Bullshit. Play like club football and stop passing sideways and backwards Or, indeed, any other team in this exact tournament. Spain have shown more threat in the first five minutes than we did all game.
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Post by theoptimist on Jun 20, 2024 19:08:16 GMT
i dunno .... i think a few of them out there today did a fair impression of the shit show Kalvin Phillips provided for Wet Sham this season.
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Post by madnellie on Jun 20, 2024 19:08:34 GMT
Can't stand watching England , I'd rather watch the paint dry The thing is we have the forward players to be the most exciting team to watch in the world. That is the worst thing about it. We have the best player in the Prem and the best player in La Liga and Southgate somehow manages to make them look hopeless. Such a waste.
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Jun 20, 2024 19:09:25 GMT
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Post by onyourbonce on Jun 20, 2024 19:09:25 GMT
Although I want to criticise the players for how fucking shit they’ve been in these first few games apart from one or two against Serbia, I can’t because it all falls at Southgate. Hes not a good coach, he doesn’t know how to set up a team to get the best out of them, he definitely can’t motivate them, he doesn’t know how to make subs to change the course of a game, he’s a fucking melt. He’s hung Trent and Foden out to dry in the positions he’s playing them, he’s fucked up not taking chilwell and playing bloody trippier at left back. Negative Nancy, it’s tragic really. These players in the main are brilliant at club level, some of the best in the world, and we put in performances like that. Falls at the door of one man, a fucking fraud.
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Post by hcstokie on Jun 20, 2024 19:09:37 GMT
Why do we seem to look like the only team that’s absolutely fucked after 60 minutes?
Any idiot can see we should be playing Rice, Bellingham and Foden as a 3 in midfield, but not the manager. He’ll be too stubborn to change it as well.
WTF is TAA doing in midfield when we’ve got those 3, plus Mainoo, Wharton and Palmer? It’s ridiculous.
Hopefully the FA bin him after this tournament and then his successor can get something more out of this group of players. If southgate ever gets a club role he’ll be exposed for the fraud that he is.
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Post by starkiller on Jun 20, 2024 19:09:41 GMT
What’s worrying is the players think it was ok. They keep saying it’s tournament football for you. Can someone explain to me when people say it’s full of international players well so it citeh v Real Madrid, or even Brentford v Fulham. Bullshit. Play like club football and stop passing sideways and backwards Other countries manage to play 'tournament football' in a far more engaging way.
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Post by OldStokie on Jun 20, 2024 19:10:25 GMT
The cream of English football and they look like a bunch of kids who've never played together. Even Bellingham, one of the world's top players, looked lost tonight. It's baffling.
OS.
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Jun 20, 2024 19:10:59 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 20, 2024 19:10:59 GMT
Pickford Walker Stones Guehi Gomez Rice Saka Bellingham Foden Gordon Kane Think Foden has had his chance. Give Palmer a go. Suspect he would impose himself on the game more than Foden.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jun 20, 2024 19:11:01 GMT
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 20, 2024 19:12:04 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 20, 2024 19:12:30 GMT
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 20, 2024 19:13:17 GMT
The thing is we have the forward players to be the most exciting team to watch in the world. That is the worst thing about it. We have the best player in the Prem and the best player in La Liga and Southgate somehow manages to make them look hopeless. Such a waste. I agree Nellie and add to that Saka who is up there with the best wingers in the world and Kane up front who scores for fun and it's baffling to me why we are playing like we've just dropped a shit and are trying to get away from it.
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Post by madnellie on Jun 20, 2024 19:13:24 GMT
Southgate OUT! The FA need to act right now before we throw away another chance at a trophy.
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Post by madnellie on Jun 20, 2024 19:15:08 GMT
We have the best player in the Prem and the best player in La Liga and Southgate somehow manages to make them look hopeless. Such a waste. I agree Nellie and add to that Saka who is up there with the best wingers in the world and Kane up front who scores for fun and it's baffling to me why we are playing like we've just dropped a shit are trying to get away from it. That is the most perfect analogy Booths .
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Post by thebasfordhedgehog on Jun 20, 2024 19:15:39 GMT
Southgate is not a very good manager and has a big nose.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 20, 2024 19:16:44 GMT
I agree Nellie and add to that Saka who is up there with the best wingers in the world and Kane up front who scores for fun and it's baffling to me why we are playing like we've just dropped a shit are trying to get away from it. That is the most perfect analogy Booths . Get me on the telly with the pundits 😉
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Post by henry on Jun 20, 2024 19:17:49 GMT
The faces of the players when they came out for the 2nd half all looked liked they'd had a massive fall out. 2 dreadful performance in a row.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 20, 2024 19:17:57 GMT
I've been very supportive of Southgate, and I think overall he's done a fantastic job of picking us up from where we were (group stage exit & a last 16 vs Iceland in the two previous tournaments) but this is looking pretty ominous now as one tournament to many. We need to be on the front foot, no more experimenting in midfield and we have to start stepping onto teams. Left back we clearly have no alternative until Shaw is fit but the rest of the squad needs to be round pegs in round holes. Pickford TAA (for Slovenia) Stones Guehi Trips Rice Saka Foden Bellingham Gordon Watkins (Kane can sit one out) Southgate got lucky because of the players, he's an awful manager and always has been. His lack of managerial ability is showing.
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Post by Bagwash on Jun 20, 2024 19:18:45 GMT
Despite 2 below par(crap)performances it still wouldn't surprise me if he started the same 11 next game.
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Post by waddosnavy on Jun 20, 2024 19:19:15 GMT
Nice to see the Danish FA choosing a Danish Company based in Aarhus to produce their kit - HUMMEL. Why do we have to have an American Company to do ours??
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Jun 20, 2024 19:20:29 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 20, 2024 19:20:29 GMT
Germany etc would rip this team a new one Germany Spain Italy France Portugal all on a different level Anyone of those managers would have us winning the competition,yet not one of those countries would have Southgate anywhere their players.
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Jun 20, 2024 19:20:50 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 20, 2024 19:20:50 GMT
Nice to see the Danish FA choosing a Danish Company based in Aarhus to produce their kit - HUMMEL. Why do we have to have an American Company to do ours?? Is there an English one? Think Umbro are foreign owned now - everything else is in this stupid country -
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Post by theoptimist on Jun 20, 2024 19:21:30 GMT
Hes lost the team .... Players sense it. Can you imagine what they are thinking when they see him plonk TAA in midfield? Lost the dressing room methinks.
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Jun 20, 2024 19:22:25 GMT
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Post by hcstokie on Jun 20, 2024 19:22:25 GMT
Nice to see the Danish FA choosing a Danish Company based in Aarhus to produce their kit - HUMMEL. Why do we have to have an American Company to do ours?? I think that’s the least of our worries at the minute!
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Post by luciani on Jun 20, 2024 19:22:25 GMT
It’s not just the defensive mentality, it’s the way we move the ball so slowly. Watching Spain v Italy and they’re zipping it about with pace and driving forward with purpose. We lacked any of that tonight.
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Post by starkiller on Jun 20, 2024 19:22:29 GMT
I've been very supportive of Southgate, and I think overall he's done a fantastic job of picking us up from where we were (group stage exit & a last 16 vs Iceland in the two previous tournaments) but this is looking pretty ominous now as one tournament to many. We need to be on the front foot, no more experimenting in midfield and we have to start stepping onto teams. Left back we clearly have no alternative until Shaw is fit but the rest of the squad needs to be round pegs in round holes. Pickford TAA (for Slovenia) Stones Guehi Trips Rice Saka Foden Bellingham Gordon Watkins (Kane can sit one out) Southgate got lucky because of the players, he's an awful manager and always has been. His lack of managerial ability is showing. I honestly think we'd be better off with no manager for the rest of the tournament.
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