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Post by raythesailor on Jun 17, 2024 8:50:05 GMT
Seemed to me that we were very right sided when going foreward.
Swap Foden for Eze and get the ball in the box.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 17, 2024 8:50:38 GMT
That midfield needs changing. The forward lads were starved all game. Our best chances came in the first half from wide changeovers with Saka and Walker. Other than that there was nothing in the side. They locked up their midfield and we had no answer. Trippier at left back is seriously starting to wind me up aswell. TAA isn't a midfielder and he's clearly just there for the set pieces, which is daft as the chief set piece winner in Grealish is sat at home on his sofa. Fabregas was right after the match when he said none of the midfield could play under pressure (except Bellingham who we know can), where the top players in the past like Xavi and Iniesta could and that will always be the difference. You need players with bravery to take the ball in tight spaces and commit players. Not just players that will panic (like Rice does and TAA does) and just Welly the ball upfield or worse, go missing. Gallagher isn't the answer either. He's just an energy merchant like Henderson was that just makes the problem worse, and you can see why Southgate brought him on. To run around and match their physicality. No, no and thrice no. Bring Wharton on who can pass round it. Bring Palmer and Eze on out wide who can stretch teams. Southgate has to change his mentality, he really does. He didn’t say they couldn’t play under pressure, he said they didn’t do it well last night. Rice has come off the back of a season where he was imperious for Arsenal. There is literally no way in the world Arteta picks a player who can’t play under pressure let alone builds a side around him. The problem is when players got the ball in the middle for England in the second half last night they had no options. We sat back and stopped playing on the front foot. Panic set in a bit and it all went to shit. Trying to fit Bellingham and Foden into the same team is risking repeating the Scholes/Gerrard/Lampard mistakes. Certainly starting it should be either or.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2024 9:03:12 GMT
He didn’t say they couldn’t play under pressure, he said they didn’t do it well last night. Rice has come off the back of a season where he was imperious for Arsenal. There is literally no way in the world Arteta picks a player who can’t play under pressure let alone builds a side around him. The problem is when players got the ball in the middle for England in the second half last night they had no options. We sat back and stopped playing on the front foot. Panic set in a bit and it all went to shit. Trying to fit Bellingham and Foden into the same team is risking repeating the Scholes/Gerrard/Lampard mistakes. Certainly starting it should be either or. or you stick Bellingham in with Rice and drop TAA but on last night's showing he'd be wasted there. Southgate has some big calls to make, I'm not convinced he will though.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 17, 2024 9:03:51 GMT
The whole team looked confused, the problem is Southgate. These players can play together, we have had many different players in the team over the years and we have had so many of these types of performances under Southgate. Southgate wants fucking off because he's holding us back
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Post by Veritas on Jun 17, 2024 9:40:24 GMT
The whole team looked confused, the problem is Southgate. These players can play together, we have had many different players in the team over the years and we have had so many of these types of performances under Southgate. Southgate wants fucking off because he's holding us back You are right and wrong Southgate needs to make some decisions and the first one is to drop Foden
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jun 17, 2024 9:50:46 GMT
Play Bellingham at number 8 and give Foden a go at 10. If he fails then it's Palmer time. Hopefully Shaw is back on Thursday and that gives us Gordon and Eze as options on the left to use pace and trickery which is something we lacked last night.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jun 17, 2024 9:56:06 GMT
Why do journalists always feel the need to ask the manager about fans kicking off?
Absolutely pathetic.
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Jun 17, 2024 9:59:07 GMT
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Post by werrington on Jun 17, 2024 9:59:07 GMT
Why do journalists always feel the need to ask the manager about fans kicking off? Absolutely pathetic. Even more pathetic was the fact that England fans weren’t a part of it ….and that was issued by the German police 5hrs before he asked that question It’s lazy journalism especially for somebody in his position Embarrassing
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Post by Ron on Jun 17, 2024 10:01:07 GMT
Look at where Foden plays for city.. he shouldn't be hung out on the left side. Play Rice and Foden/ Jude ahead of him. There is no need for the "double pivot" as i have heard it described. His desire to shoe horn Trent into the team is hampering it. Play Eze or Gordon on the left. Just attack teams- Sebia showed how to nullify us last night and it wasn't exactly difficult. Southgate holds these players back.
On a positive- thought we looked solid at the back and Gehui was decent. Still not a fan of Trippier at Lb
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Post by questionable on Jun 17, 2024 10:03:27 GMT
Lad at work reckons England will win the tournament, had a £20 bet with him that they won’t.
Easiest £20 ever
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Jun 17, 2024 10:04:57 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 17, 2024 10:04:57 GMT
Foden can only play on the left if Shaw is in the team offering him a viable option on the outside. If Trippier remains at LB we need a direct player like Gordon or Eze to play out there.
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Post by skip on Jun 17, 2024 10:06:51 GMT
We aren’t going to just roll everybody over and it was a great 3 points v no mugs …..if that was Italy or Spain winning that people would be waxing lyrical re professional job done etc Cmon England There is something about most England fans and a sense of entitlement that they never seem to learn from. Good job the Oatcake wasn't around when England drew their opening match of the 1966 World Cup 0-0 with Uruguay! It's roughly the same length of time between England drawing with Uruguay in '66 and the birth of The Oatcake on the internet, as it is the birth of The Oatcake on the Internet and today.
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Jun 17, 2024 10:07:29 GMT
Lad at work reckons England will win the tournament, had a £20 bet with him that they won’t. Easiest £20 ever For the lad at work, certainly, not you 🙂
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jun 17, 2024 10:13:46 GMT
Always thought Bellingham should play as an 8. Hes great defensively and offensively. He can still get forward to score goals playing as an 8.
Then Foden can play as a 10 and bring in Eze or Gordon on the left.
Also if we get Luke Shaw back it will bring balance.
Will Southgate switch things around as they should clearly be?
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 17, 2024 10:37:18 GMT
Foden needs to play 10 and Bellingham alongside Rice. This will get the best out of Foden.
If the manager doesn't agree and wants to play Jude further up front then he has to drop Foden. One England manager after another have been guilty of shoe horning footballers into a side which is a recipe for disaster.
If you're playing Jude as a 10 the play Mainoo alongside Rice with Gordon left. If you want Foden in the side, drop Jude back (he'll still be amazing) play Foden in the centre and Gordon wide.
TAA should be nowhere near the side.
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Post by george2again on Jun 17, 2024 10:49:24 GMT
Seems very logical the team selection. Southgate spouts before the tournament that Foden plays left but doesn’t always end up there ? Bullshit. Trent can’t defend so dropping Bellingham to 8 will strengthen us in centre mid and he has engine to get up and down anyway. Foden 10 where he’s closer to the isolated Kane and link play and bring in someone on the left. Something I don’t see mentioned is the lack of a leader in the team. When it got tough no organiser or voice on pitch.
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Post by hcstokie on Jun 17, 2024 10:56:47 GMT
If Shaw isn’t fit then we need some width on the left. We need Foden (or Palmer) and Bellingham in the same team, so I’d go for something like:
Pickford
Walker Stones Geuhi (however you spell it) Trippier
Rice Bellingham
Saka Foden Gordon
Kane
If Shaw comes back and is fit enough, he can maybe provide some width on that side, but until then we need a winger providing it. You can’t have a full back and your left sided attacker both looking to come inside all the time.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 17, 2024 11:15:33 GMT
The whole team looked confused, the problem is Southgate. These players can play together, we have had many different players in the team over the years and we have had so many of these types of performances under Southgate. Southgate wants fucking off because he's holding us back He's leaving at the end of the tournament, would you get rid of him mid-tournament? That would be a very bold move.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 17, 2024 11:18:01 GMT
Seems very logical the team selection. Southgate spouts before the tournament that Foden plays left but doesn’t always end up there ? Bullshit. Trent can’t defend so dropping Bellingham to 8 will strengthen us in centre mid and he has engine to get up and down anyway. Foden 10 where he’s closer to the isolated Kane and link play and bring in someone on the left. Something I don’t see mentioned is the lack of a leader in the team. When it got tough no organiser or voice on pitch. It didn't get tough, they barely laid a glove on us and we still had the best chance of the second half. Mitrovic hardly had a sniff and got hooked. Only chance he had was a poor giveaway from Trent, who I agree shouldn't play in central midfield.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 17, 2024 11:23:20 GMT
We aren’t going to just roll everybody over and it was a great 3 points v no mugs …..if that was Italy or Spain winning that people would be waxing lyrical re professional job done etc Cmon England There is something about most England fans and a sense of entitlement that they never seem to learn from. Good job the Oatcake wasn't around when England drew their opening match of the 1966 World Cup 0-0 with Uruguay! Yes and a reminder that Argentina lost to Saudi Arabia in the first game of the World Cup. Imagine a lot of our fans if that was the case? Wouldn't want to be with them in the trenches that's for sure, shit themselves at the first sign of any sort of adversity or setback. Really surprises me some of the entitlement towards England from Stoke fans in particular. We're hardly used to winning anything ourselves, same as the national team.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 17, 2024 11:51:51 GMT
The whole team looked confused, the problem is Southgate. These players can play together, we have had many different players in the team over the years and we have had so many of these types of performances under Southgate. Southgate wants fucking off because he's holding us back He's leaving at the end of the tournament, would you get rid of him mid-tournament? That would be a very bold move. He hasn't got a tactical bone in his body, he was out thought by the Serbian manager and he should have been able to make subs to put us back on top but he didn't because he can't. I wish he would get sacked but he won't. I don't think it matters if it's mid tournament, his teams just don't have any fluidity in them with defense and attack looking like two different teams
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 17, 2024 11:54:46 GMT
He's leaving at the end of the tournament, would you get rid of him mid-tournament? That would be a very bold move. He hasn't got a tactical bone in his body, he was out thought by the Serbian manager and he should have been able to make subs to put us back on top but he didn't because he can't. I wish he would get sacked but he won't. I don't think it matters if it's mid tournament, his teams just don't have any fluidity in them with defense and attack looking like two different teams He was so out thought we got battered and lost the game.... oh hold on a min. I often hear the term 'lazy journalism' on here. What about lazy supporters.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 17, 2024 11:56:37 GMT
He hasn't got a tactical bone in his body, he was out thought by the Serbian manager and he should have been able to make subs to put us back on top but he didn't because he can't. I wish he would get sacked but he won't. I don't think it matters if it's mid tournament, his teams just don't have any fluidity in them with defense and attack looking like two different teams He was so out thought we got battered and lost the game.... oh hold on a min. I often hear the term 'lazy journalism' on here. What about lazy supporters. These shit performances happen way too often to be anything other than Southgate. We have good players and he has no clue. He's a third division manager at best
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 17, 2024 12:02:17 GMT
He was so out thought we got battered and lost the game.... oh hold on a min. I often hear the term 'lazy journalism' on here. What about lazy supporters. These shit performances happen way too often to be anything other than Southgate. We have good players and he has no clue. He's a third division manager at best Only the second England manager to get to a major final. Consistently outperformed better England managers with players who aren't as good as ones we've had previously. Fourth straight tournament under Southgate that we have won the first game. I'm not saying he's a good manager but you can't name 1 that would do better.
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Post by Eggybread on Jun 17, 2024 12:09:42 GMT
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 17, 2024 12:09:43 GMT
He's leaving at the end of the tournament, would you get rid of him mid-tournament? That would be a very bold move. He hasn't got a tactical bone in his body, he was out thought by the Serbian manager and he should have been able to make subs to put us back on top but he didn't because he can't. I wish he would get sacked but he won't. I don't think it matters if it's mid tournament, his teams just don't have any fluidity in them with defense and attack looking like two different teams Has anyone ever been sacked and replaced in the middle of a tournament? I remember the Spain manager situation a few years ago but that was just before.
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Post by questionable on Jun 17, 2024 12:11:25 GMT
Lad at work reckons England will win the tournament, had a £20 bet with him that they won’t. Easiest £20 ever For the lad at work, certainly, not you 🙂 Want the same bet??
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Jun 17, 2024 12:15:57 GMT
Having Shaw back instantly fixes the left side problem, and I believe we will then see the best of Foden with Shaw behind him and overlapping. Trippier kills any kind of attacking intent as he takes a touch and passes sideways or backwards as he has no left foot.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 17, 2024 12:17:11 GMT
Off to a better start than at the last Euros. I thought we'd draw before the game, so delighted with a win. A couple of issues to iron out, namely getting the best out of Foden, or just dropping him because it clearly won't work for him in that role.
Back five were all decent, Trippier struggled going forwards 2 of the midfield 3 were good in Bellingham and Rice, Trent...Meh Saka played well, Foden did not. Thought Bowen was good when he was introduced Kane struggled to get into it but still almost scored and took some pressure off with some great touches and winning of free kicks
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Jun 17, 2024 12:43:09 GMT
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Post by kerouac on Jun 17, 2024 12:43:09 GMT
Seems very logical the team selection. Southgate spouts before the tournament that Foden plays left but doesn’t always end up there ? Bullshit. Trent can’t defend so dropping Bellingham to 8 will strengthen us in centre mid and he has engine to get up and down anyway. Foden 10 where he’s closer to the isolated Kane and link play and bring in someone on the left. Something I don’t see mentioned is the lack of a leader in the team. When it got tough no organiser or voice on pitch. I totally agree with this,plus your point about a leader…..there is no one who takes the bull by the horns and garners the troops when the shit hits the fan….we just seem to reach panic stations very quickly.That second half showing was abject and cements my opinion that there’s no way we’ll do owt here. You don’t see a Spain,Germany or France look so fragile…these are the teams that win tournaments.
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