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Jun 26, 2024 9:48:22 GMT
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Post by superjw on Jun 26, 2024 9:48:22 GMT
I'd genuinely pick this side in the next game.. Pickford Walker Stones Guehi Shaw Rice Mainoo Foden Gordon Saka Kane Palmer and Bellingham can be used as impact subs and depending on their performances force their way into the side. I refuse to believe Bellingham is undroppable. I’d go with that tbh I don’t think Kane deserves a starting spot either, but dropping Bellingham and Kane would be incredibly bold
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 26, 2024 9:49:34 GMT
I wouldn't drop Bellingham - you need one of the best players in the world on from the start for me. Not when he isn’t playing like one of the best players in the world. He hasn’t turned up to this competition properly and needs to be dropped for the next game and probably come on as an impact sub if needed, nobody is undroppable. Neither has Mbappe but I wouldn't drop him if I was Deschamps either. They have the ability to win you the game at any moment, like Bellingham did against Serbia in the opener. Wouldn't want to take the risk of going 1-0 down without him and face the inevitable backlash of why a potential Ballon D'Or winner has been benched for a do or die fixture.
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Jun 26, 2024 9:57:16 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Jun 26, 2024 9:57:16 GMT
Don’t know why I’ve the optimism but I still think we’ll get to the semis at least. It’s been poor but still top of the group and I fancy us to drastically improve, assuming Gareth makes the changes that everyone can see need to be made. I feel we should spare neutrals across the world from enduring any more of that shite. An utter embarrassment and poor advert for English football. Wouldn't be surprised if viewing figures for England games are the lowest.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 26, 2024 10:11:23 GMT
Don’t know why I’ve the optimism but I still think we’ll get to the semis at least. It’s been poor but still top of the group and I fancy us to drastically improve, assuming Gareth makes the changes that everyone can see need to be made. I feel we should spare neutrals across the world from enduring any more of that shite. An utter embarrassment and poor advert for English football. Wouldn't be surprised if viewing figures for England games are the lowest. Couldn't give a shit about viewing figures. The great Spain side of 2010 were boring to watch. They won every knockout game 1-0 including the final AET. That was with the likes of Iniesta, Xavi, Puyol, Pique, Busquets etc. That was after losing their opener 1-0 to Switzerland.
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Post by hamsta2 on Jun 26, 2024 10:26:41 GMT
I can think of a few teams who have qualified whilst stinking the place out. Sometimes managers make changes. Bobby Robson. Tbh I haven’t a clue but don’t be surprised if Gordon starts and is a game changer. Or it could be Palmer. Watkins. Point being a player or two can come through and make a difference. A lucky substitution as a last throw of the proverbial can be a beautiful thing. Robson was forced into making changes due to Robson and Wilkins both getting injured/suspended and ultimately, he was left with no other choice but to start Reid and Hoddle in the middle, as the public had previously been crying out for, it changed our tournament but not by design on the manager's part.
There is absolutely zero evidence of anything to be encouraged by due to Southgate's team selection so far, unless you want to point them out? Of course changes could be made that will improve the team, that's exactly what people are calling for and indeed were calling for, prior to this evening's shit show.
The only positive is that we topped the group.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 26, 2024 10:39:17 GMT
I can think of a few teams who have qualified whilst stinking the place out. Sometimes managers make changes. Bobby Robson. Tbh I haven’t a clue but don’t be surprised if Gordon starts and is a game changer. Or it could be Palmer. Watkins. Point being a player or two can come through and make a difference. A lucky substitution as a last throw of the proverbial can be a beautiful thing.
Robson was forced into making changes due to Robson and Wilkins both getting injured/suspended and ultimately, he was left with no other choice but to start Reid and Hoddle in the middle, as the public had previously been crying out for, it changed our tournament but not by design on the manager's part.
There is absolutely zero evidence of anything to be encouraged by due to Southgate's team selection so far, unless you want to point them out?
Of course changes could be made that will improve the team, that's exactly what people are calling for and indeed were calling for, prior to this evening's shit show.
Geuhi is the only positive. It's on the manager that the team is not balanced. Not taking an additional left footed full back is negligent. I actually thought that he had no other options but I forgot about Mitchell and thought Chilwell was injured. I think this team changes as soon as Shaw comes in, if he's fit. If he doesn't then he has to play Gordon and drop Bellingham. That's a tough decision in any Managers book. I thought Mainoo looked impressive last night and Rice improved playing alongside him. Palmer did OK but totally fluffed his big chance. I would however play him instead of Saka who doesn't look arsed. People often forget that the opposition is allowed to play as well and last night Slovenia parked the bus. It can be tough to break down and the game quickly degenerates into a bore fest.
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Jun 26, 2024 10:42:53 GMT
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Post by cdf on Jun 26, 2024 10:42:53 GMT
After the borefest of the 3 group games, remarkably, we are still favourites to win the Euros
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Post by ian57 on Jun 26, 2024 10:50:51 GMT
I would drop Kane,saka and Gallagher from last nights starting line up and bring in palmer,gordon and Watkins.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 26, 2024 10:57:48 GMT
Robson was forced into making changes due to Robson and Wilkins both getting injured/suspended and ultimately, he was left with no other choice but to start Reid and Hoddle in the middle, as the public had previously been crying out for, it changed our tournament but not by design on the manager's part.
There is absolutely zero evidence of anything to be encouraged by due to Southgate's team selection so far, unless you want to point them out?
Of course changes could be made that will improve the team, that's exactly what people are calling for and indeed were calling for, prior to this evening's shit show.
Geuhi is the only positive. It's on the manager that the team is not balanced. Not taking an additional left footed full back is negligent. I actually thought that he had no other options but I forgot about Mitchell and thought Chilwell was injured. I think this team changes as soon as Shaw comes in, if he's fit. If he doesn't then he has to play Gordon and drop Bellingham. That's a tough decision in any Managers book. I thought Mainoo looked impressive last night and Rice improved playing alongside him. Palmer did OK but totally fluffed his big chance. I would however play him instead of Saka who doesn't look arsed. People often forget that the opposition is allowed to play as well and last night Slovenia parked the bus. It can be tough to break down and the game quickly degenerates into a bore fest. He needs to make these big calls, or we're going crashing out of this tournament. He can play the same 11 again if he likes, but that's not managing the problems, that's burying your head in the sand and praying it works. One of the big three of Kane, Bellingham or Foden need to be dropped, maybe even two of them. He'd have more people on his side and not all this negativity, if he'd at least tried something or admitted it wasn't working. Trying to kid supporters and pundits into thinking they are wrong and Southgate is in fact right, is only going to end one way for him. Swallow your pride, admit you've made errors and push on with the tournament.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 26, 2024 11:06:17 GMT
Geuhi is the only positive. It's on the manager that the team is not balanced. Not taking an additional left footed full back is negligent. I actually thought that he had no other options but I forgot about Mitchell and thought Chilwell was injured. I think this team changes as soon as Shaw comes in, if he's fit. If he doesn't then he has to play Gordon and drop Bellingham. That's a tough decision in any Managers book. I thought Mainoo looked impressive last night and Rice improved playing alongside him. Palmer did OK but totally fluffed his big chance. I would however play him instead of Saka who doesn't look arsed. People often forget that the opposition is allowed to play as well and last night Slovenia parked the bus. It can be tough to break down and the game quickly degenerates into a bore fest. He needs to make these big calls, or we're going crashing out of this tournament. He can play the same 11 again if he likes, but that's not managing the problems, that's burying your head in the sand and praying it works. One of the big three of Kane, Bellingham or Foden need to be dropped, maybe even two of them. He'd have more people on his side and not all this negativity, if he'd at least tried something or admitted it wasn't working. Trying to kid supporters and pundits into thinking they are wrong and Southgate is in fact right, is only going to end one way for him. Swallow your pride, admit you've made errors and push on with the tournament. The manager isn't trying to kid anybody. He's managing the team in his own way, which has lead to relative success in other tournaments. Better managers than him have failed with better players. It's the England way. I'm not condoning him, it's one tournament too many for him in my opinion and he's made major errors in squad selection.
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Post by werrington on Jun 26, 2024 11:08:02 GMT
I would drop Kane,saka and Gallagher from last nights starting line up and bring in palmer,gordon and Watkins. Bellingham seems to be going under the radar
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Post by bigvern on Jun 26, 2024 11:10:05 GMT
After the borefest of the 3 group games, remarkably, we are still favourites to win the Euros That'll be due to the side of the draw we are on and of course patriotic punting.
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Jun 26, 2024 11:11:22 GMT
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jun 26, 2024 11:11:22 GMT
After the borefest of the 3 group games, remarkably, we are still favourites to win the Euros Purely on the basis of the side of the draw we are in. I think we’d drifted to 3rd or 4th favourites before the third round of matches, despite being heavy favourites to win our group before last night. France finishing 2nd has shaken the market up a little.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 26, 2024 11:22:53 GMT
He needs to make these big calls, or we're going crashing out of this tournament. He can play the same 11 again if he likes, but that's not managing the problems, that's burying your head in the sand and praying it works. One of the big three of Kane, Bellingham or Foden need to be dropped, maybe even two of them. He'd have more people on his side and not all this negativity, if he'd at least tried something or admitted it wasn't working. Trying to kid supporters and pundits into thinking they are wrong and Southgate is in fact right, is only going to end one way for him. Swallow your pride, admit you've made errors and push on with the tournament. The manager isn't trying to kid anybody. He's managing the team in his own way, which has lead to relative success in other tournaments. Better managers than him have failed with better players. It's the England way. I'm not condoning him, it's one tournament too many for him in my opinion and he's made major errors in squad selection. His own way was working, but that hasn't been the case for a number of months now. I don't tend to get too bothered by the friendlies or even the qualification games because we have done relatively well when it matters, regardless, under Southgate. You could always at least see what we were trying to do in past tournaments and there wasn't much square peg round hole stuff going on. We had a system and a team that understood it. It's almost like Bellingham and Foden being world class has actually caused him another headache, rather than it being a huge positive. In any other national side, their star players stand out. We somehow seem to make ours worse because we want to play them, but never to their strengths.
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Jun 26, 2024 11:23:56 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 26, 2024 11:23:56 GMT
I'd genuinely pick this side in the next game.. Pickford Walker Stones Guehi Shaw Rice Mainoo Foden Gordon Saka Kane Palmer and Bellingham can be used as impact subs and depending on their performances force their way into the side. I refuse to believe Bellingham is undroppable. I’d go with that tbh I don’t think Kane deserves a starting spot either, but dropping Bellingham and Kane would be incredibly bold Shaw hasn't trained with the others yet He's not starting
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 26, 2024 11:24:46 GMT
Brazil drew their opening game of the Copa America 0-0 with Costa Rica the other day.
France have scored two goals so far, but unlike us, theirs were an own goal and a dodgy penalty.
It's not just us.
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Post by lordb on Jun 26, 2024 11:26:34 GMT
Brazil drew their opening game of the Copa America 0-0 with Costa Rica the other day. France have scored two goals so far, but unlike us, theirs were an own goal and a dodgy penalty. It's not just us. Fair point None the less neither England nor France will win it playing like they are
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 26, 2024 11:27:45 GMT
Brazil drew their opening game of the Copa America 0-0 with Costa Rica the other day. France have scored two goals so far, but unlike us, theirs were an own goal and a dodgy penalty. It's not just us. True but Deschamps has lots of credit in the bank.
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Post by Davef on Jun 26, 2024 11:52:44 GMT
How is it decided who we play in the next round? And how is it decided who finishes 2nd, Denmark or Slovenia? They have the same stats. Apparently it goes to disciplinary record in the group then qualification ranking. Looks like Denmark finished second because a Slovenian coach picked up a yellow card!
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 26, 2024 11:53:04 GMT
We need Czech to win so we play them. Preferable to Netherlands
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Jun 26, 2024 12:02:46 GMT
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Post by mr on Jun 26, 2024 12:02:46 GMT
I think they’ll start ramping up the intensity in the knockouts and intensity is what the team is really lacking. If we go through each knockout round a little higher up the field I’ll be happy. You can’t get through every game high pressing in a tournament. Austria who have been fantastic so far will have burned themselves out before the semis.
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Jun 26, 2024 12:03:39 GMT
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Post by mr on Jun 26, 2024 12:03:39 GMT
We need Czech to win so we play them. Preferable to Netherlands I’d prefer Netherlands.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 26, 2024 12:19:17 GMT
We need Czech to win so we play them. Preferable to Netherlands I’d prefer Netherlands. Prefer to avoid them. Despite them being unimpressive
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Post by mr on Jun 26, 2024 12:46:55 GMT
Prefer to avoid them. Despite them being unimpressive I don’t rate the Netherlands at all and because they’ve got a big nation tag I think we’d be more up for that. Czechs are good at what they do, it’s not pretty but they’re a big team that rely on set pieces. I’d prefer Georgia though, even a half arsed England should beat them.
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Post by davethebass on Jun 26, 2024 13:02:32 GMT
A couple of the pundits on the panel said it, apparently played there when he first started out for Arsenal according to them. If he was ever going to try it, tonight was the night I guess, wasn't like Trippier had to do much defending. Hopefully Shaw is back soon because the left side just looks so unbalanced otherwise Wright has obviously been reading my posts on Saka. Obvious thing to try him there at least for half. As I said also Palmer starts. Foden out. 343 With Walker inside. I'd have pissed that game as coach. I'd thought it was my idea to try Saka there in a 343 and was a bit miffed when I read the rest of the thread and found you'd posted it first 😅 Lol great minds hey
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 26, 2024 13:11:26 GMT
Wright has obviously been reading my posts on Saka. Obvious thing to try him there at least for half. As I said also Palmer starts. Foden out. 343 With Walker inside. I'd have pissed that game as coach. I'd thought it was my idea to try Saka there in a 343 and was a bit miffed when I read the rest of the thread and found you'd posted it first 😅 Lol great minds hey You can be my assistant. 3mill p.a. for me and 1 for you
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Post by greenhoff on Jun 26, 2024 13:12:26 GMT
Back 5 of Pickford, Walker, TAA with Stones and Ghuei Walker at left back. TAA at right back with license to go into midfield.
Mainoo, Rice and Foden. Rice to pile forward as TAA joins Mainoo.
Gordon, Palmer and Kane up front.
That would be my team. Bellingham fantastic player but looks knackered. Same with Saka
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Jun 26, 2024 13:12:29 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 26, 2024 13:12:29 GMT
Prefer to avoid them. Despite them being unimpressive I don’t rate the Netherlands at all and because they’ve got a big nation tag I think we’d be more up for that. Czechs are good at what they do, it’s not pretty but they’re a big team that rely on set pieces. I’d prefer Georgia though, even a half arsed England should beat them. Georgia have to beat Portugal and that just won't occur
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Post by LGH87 on Jun 26, 2024 14:39:51 GMT
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Jun 26, 2024 14:43:17 GMT
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Jun 26, 2024 14:43:17 GMT
Breaking now on R5. Phil Foden has returned to UK for urgent personal issue
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