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England
Jun 17, 2024 12:45:37 GMT
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Post by kerouac on Jun 17, 2024 12:45:37 GMT
He's leaving at the end of the tournament, would you get rid of him mid-tournament? That would be a very bold move. He hasn't got a tactical bone in his body, he was out thought by the Serbian manager and he should have been able to make subs to put us back on top but he didn't because he can't. I wish he would get sacked but he won't. I don't think it matters if it's mid tournament, his teams just don't have any fluidity in them with defense and attack looking like two different teams Spot on……Southgate has no idea how to change,influence or keep control of a game.
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Post by adri2008 on Jun 17, 2024 12:54:22 GMT
These shit performances happen way too often to be anything other than Southgate. We have good players and he has no clue. He's a third division manager at best Only the second England manager to get to a major final. Consistently outperformed better England managers with players who aren't as good as ones we've had previously. Fourth straight tournament under Southgate that we have won the first game. I'm not saying he's a good manager but you can't name 1 that would do better. He hasn't got the nous to alter things mid-game is his biggest weakness but he's made qualifying for tournaments and progressing from the group stages an absolute formality. Plenty of so called 'golden generations' in the past have done bugger all.
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England
Jun 17, 2024 13:15:03 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 17, 2024 13:15:03 GMT
Seemed to me that we were very right sided when going foreward. Swap Foden for Eze and get the ball in the box. I do find it weird that no one has mentioned just how right footed Trippier is. Every time the ball goes to him he has to go back because there’s no way he’s using his left.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jun 17, 2024 13:21:12 GMT
Seemed to me that we were very right sided when going foreward. Swap Foden for Eze and get the ball in the box. I do find it weird that no one has mentioned just how right footed Trippier is. Every time the ball goes to him he has to go back because there’s no way he’s using his left. It’s been mentioned so many times that people now don’t think it’s worth mentioning.
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England
Jun 17, 2024 13:25:59 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 17, 2024 13:25:59 GMT
Seemed to me that we were very right sided when going foreward. Swap Foden for Eze and get the ball in the box. I do find it weird that no one has mentioned just how right footed Trippier is. Every time the ball goes to him he has to go back because there’s no way he’s using his left. They talked about it during the game last night, unfortunately it's a given when an RB is coving lb, not really much to be said.
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England
Jun 17, 2024 14:09:07 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 17, 2024 14:09:07 GMT
I do find it weird that no one has mentioned just how right footed Trippier is. Every time the ball goes to him he has to go back because there’s no way he’s using his left. It’s been mentioned so many times that people now don’t think it’s worth mentioning. Apologies, missed them all.
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England
Jun 17, 2024 14:23:28 GMT
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Post by march4 on Jun 17, 2024 14:23:28 GMT
Just reflecting on our performance yesterday. What was particularly concerning was how poor our midfield was. Rice did a great job as an extra defender but where were the others particularly out of possession.
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England
Jun 17, 2024 16:54:28 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 17, 2024 16:54:28 GMT
These shit performances happen way too often to be anything other than Southgate. We have good players and he has no clue. He's a third division manager at best Only the second England manager to get to a major final. Consistently outperformed better England managers with players who aren't as good as ones we've had previously. Fourth straight tournament under Southgate that we have won the first game. I'm not saying he's a good manager but you can't name 1 that would do better. Southgate has been gifted with the strongest squad in the last 3 big tournaments. Our golden generation had 3 or 4 teams better than them this one doesn't have any. Southgate also bottled the final against Italy, he didn't make any subs and we were out played from the 30th minute onwards. Eddie Howe is leagues ahead of Southgate, Graham Potter is leagues ahead of Southgate. Our own manager is better than Southgate, the wolves manager is better than Southgate, Sean Dyche is better than Southgate. If Southgate was available there is no way I would want him here, he is a league 1 manager at best. That might be good enough for you but for me he shouldn't be anywhere near this group of players unless he wants an autograph. No manager has had it as good as Southgate, he's had good draws in tournaments which inflate his success. We had at least 3 world class players on the pitch yesterday, how many teams can say that?
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England
Jun 17, 2024 17:00:17 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 17, 2024 17:00:17 GMT
He hasn't got a tactical bone in his body, he was out thought by the Serbian manager and he should have been able to make subs to put us back on top but he didn't because he can't. I wish he would get sacked but he won't. I don't think it matters if it's mid tournament, his teams just don't have any fluidity in them with defense and attack looking like two different teams Has anyone ever been sacked and replaced in the middle of a tournament? I remember the Spain manager situation a few years ago but that was just before. It would never happen we just have to suck it up and hope the players can win the tournament despite Southgate
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Post by werrington on Jun 17, 2024 17:16:10 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 17, 2024 17:19:41 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 17, 2024 19:12:03 GMT
My pick for Thursday.
............Pickford..........
.....Walker..Stones...Gomez.........
TAA......Bellingham..Rice.....Shaw
...Saka.....Kane......Gordon....
3-4-3
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 18, 2024 10:08:13 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 18, 2024 10:17:40 GMT
I'd definitely leave someone who fell asleep
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England
Jun 18, 2024 10:42:10 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 18, 2024 10:42:10 GMT
I'd definitely leave someone who fell asleep Harsh..
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jun 18, 2024 10:43:39 GMT
My pick for Thursday. ............Pickford.......... .....Walker..Stones...Gomez......... TAA......Bellingham..Rice.....Shaw ...Saka.....Kane......Gordon.... 3-4-3 Reverting to a back three for the second game? Why drop Guehi who was excellent and is left sided? He just needs to play Bellingham at 8, give Foden a go at 10 with Palmer breathing down his neck and play Gordon or Eze on the left. Shaw back at left back and that side will play much better than the other night.
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Jun 18, 2024 18:06:46 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 18, 2024 18:06:46 GMT
My pick for Thursday. ............Pickford.......... .....Walker..Stones...Gomez......... TAA......Bellingham..Rice.....Shaw ...Saka.....Kane......Gordon.... 3-4-3 Reverting to a back three for the second game? Why drop Guehi who was excellent and is left sided? He just needs to play Bellingham at 8, give Foden a go at 10 with Palmer breathing down his neck and play Gordon or Eze on the left. Shaw back at left back and that side will play much better than the other night. Bellingham is a number 10 ... End of story.
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England
Jun 18, 2024 18:11:26 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 18, 2024 18:11:26 GMT
My pick for Thursday. ............Pickford.......... .....Walker..Stones...Gomez......... TAA......Bellingham..Rice.....Shaw ...Saka.....Kane......Gordon.... 3-4-3 Reverting to a back three for the second game? Why drop Guehi who was excellent and is left sided? He just needs to play Bellingham at 8, give Foden a go at 10 with Palmer breathing down his neck and play Gordon or Eze on the left. Shaw back at left back and that side will play much better than the other night. Stones needs the support of Walker next to him at the moment. Guehi has got a mistake in him imo. Gomez is vastly underrated imo. This side is solid, creative and pacey.
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England
Jun 18, 2024 18:17:16 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 18, 2024 18:17:16 GMT
Reverting to a back three for the second game? Why drop Guehi who was excellent and is left sided? He just needs to play Bellingham at 8, give Foden a go at 10 with Palmer breathing down his neck and play Gordon or Eze on the left. Shaw back at left back and that side will play much better than the other night. Stones needs the support of Walker next to him at the moment. Guehi has got a mistake in him imo. Gomez is vastly underrated imo. This side is solid, creative and pacey. Gomez is a reliable defender but Guehi just had a good game not made any mistakes England, not seen any for Palace either, not a star but a solid defender, very consistent
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jun 18, 2024 21:13:20 GMT
Reverting to a back three for the second game? Why drop Guehi who was excellent and is left sided? He just needs to play Bellingham at 8, give Foden a go at 10 with Palmer breathing down his neck and play Gordon or Eze on the left. Shaw back at left back and that side will play much better than the other night. Bellingham is a number 10 ... End of story. He can play 8 as well and has done.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 19, 2024 7:12:40 GMT
Bellingham is a number 10 ... End of story. He can play 8 as well and has done. And will more than likely play as an 8 in most of his career. It’s where he’s played most of his career so far too. He can do everything and looks better deeper anyway like on Sunday.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Jun 19, 2024 7:25:06 GMT
Reverting to a back three for the second game? Why drop Guehi who was excellent and is left sided? He just needs to play Bellingham at 8, give Foden a go at 10 with Palmer breathing down his neck and play Gordon or Eze on the left. Shaw back at left back and that side will play much better than the other night. Bellingham is a number 10 ... End of story. Bellingham has said he's more comfortable at 8 onefootball.com/en/news/jude-bellingham-i-feel-most-comfortable-playing-as-a-number-eight-35091732"End of story" indeed.. 😂
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Jun 19, 2024 7:30:33 GMT
He can play 8 as well and has done. And will more than likely play as an 8 in most of his career. It’s where he’s played most of his career so far too. He can do everything and looks better deeper anyway like on Sunday. Agreed. He's got the physicality and intelligence to play deeper as well and he isn't shy about getting his foot in which would be wasted a bit playing further forward. I don't understand how anyone watching him on Sunday can come to the conclusion that he isn't most suited to being an 8.
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Jun 19, 2024 7:47:47 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 19, 2024 7:47:47 GMT
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 19, 2024 10:47:53 GMT
He can play 8 as well and has done. And will more than likely play as an 8 in most of his career. It’s where he’s played most of his career so far too. He can do everything and looks better deeper anyway like on Sunday. He's not going to be playing as far forward as he has with Madrid from next season, what with Mbappe arriving and Kroos/Modric on their way out.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 19, 2024 10:50:46 GMT
And will more than likely play as an 8 in most of his career. It’s where he’s played most of his career so far too. He can do everything and looks better deeper anyway like on Sunday. He's not going to be playing as far forward as he has with Madrid from next season, what with Mbappe arriving and Kroos/Modric on their way out. Exactly. And that Turkish fella they’ve got. It would make sense for them to drop Bellingham back and get the others in ahead of him. It’s fucking scary.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 19, 2024 10:56:24 GMT
He's not going to be playing as far forward as he has with Madrid from next season, what with Mbappe arriving and Kroos/Modric on their way out. Exactly. And that Turkish fella they’ve got. It would make sense for them to drop Bellingham back and get the others in ahead of him. It’s fucking scary. Bellingham and Rice is the best midfield pairing in the tournament, full stop. Between them they can do everything, shame nice guy Gareth can't see it.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 19, 2024 12:10:01 GMT
Exactly. And that Turkish fella they’ve got. It would make sense for them to drop Bellingham back and get the others in ahead of him. It’s fucking scary. Bellingham and Rice is the best midfield pairing in the tournament, full stop. Between them they can do everything, shame nice guy Gareth can't see it. If Southgate picks Bellingham at number 8 (which I would do) and it goes tits up then the haters will just say he should have picked him as a 10 where he has been sensational for Madrid all season, bordering on the worlds best footballer.
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Post by campbellsleftpeg on Jun 19, 2024 12:15:01 GMT
its a fact a midfield 2 of bellingham - rice, is arguably the best in the tournament, foden at AM (IF he can find his man city form) is arguably the best in the tournament, which then also allows some proper width on the left to create space in the middle. Its common sense
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 19, 2024 13:11:07 GMT
Bellingham and Rice is the best midfield pairing in the tournament, full stop. Between them they can do everything, shame nice guy Gareth can't see it. If Southgate picks Bellingham at number 8 (which I would do) and it goes tits up then the haters will just say he should have picked him as a 10 where he has been sensational for Madrid all season, bordering on the worlds best footballer. Fuck the haters and the press, frankly. When he's actually been brave in the past it's worked. You also can't give somebody one game in a position and lose your head (which is what I am asking him to do with TAA, to be fair). As for Bellingham, I can't see that happening and the form he is in, he'd look mustard at centre back if we needed him there. It is after all about the team.
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