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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 2, 2024 19:36:31 GMT
Honestly mate 've been on some of the pro-Palestine marches, there's been small pockets of trouble which I have certainly condemned, this is on another level. 1,000's more people with far less antagonism. It's people wandering the streets with a beer in their hand, singling out people with brown faces and their places of worship and causing damage and destruction. It's got absolutely nothing to do with genuine concerns about the incident in Southport and the wider issue of immigration........ I have seen some of the behaviour and chants calling for the genocide of the Jewish people on these pro Palestine marches mate (admittedly not first hand but on videos) and they are equally disgusting. You are bang on that some of the behaviour on the marches this week has done no good whatsoever to the cause they are protesting for. My point being that not everyone on the marches is a dickhead as much as they aren't on the Palestine or any other protests that take place. There will always be a minority (in my opinion) of idiots who jump on the bandwagon for the trouble. These are just gatherings of mouth breathers. There is no march it’s a congregation of people whose sole aim is to intimidate. People can keep being the Palestinians marches into it as it helps deflect of course, it’s up to them……
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2024 19:36:56 GMT
My march has more wrong uns than yours competition My point Badge I guess is that where there are large groups of people be it at football, out drinking or on marches/protests there will always be a minority who ruin it for the majority. I know what your point is and I agree, it was a comment to your fellow debater😉
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 2, 2024 19:38:05 GMT
My point Badge I guess is that where there are large groups of people be it at football, out drinking or on marches/protests there will always be a minority who ruin it for the majority. I know what your point is and I agree, it was a comment to your fellow debater😉 I got the wrong end of the stick then mate. Apologies 😉
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 2, 2024 19:41:26 GMT
I have seen some of the behaviour and chants calling for the genocide of the Jewish people on these pro Palestine marches mate (admittedly not first hand but on videos) and they are equally disgusting. You are bang on that some of the behaviour on the marches this week has done no good whatsoever to the cause they are protesting for. My point being that not everyone on the marches is a dickhead as much as they aren't on the Palestine or any other protests that take place. There will always be a minority (in my opinion) of idiots who jump on the bandwagon for the trouble. These are just gatherings of mouth breathers. There is no march it’s a congregation of people whose sole aim is to intimidate. People can keep being the Palestinians marches into it as it helps deflect of course, it’s up to them…… Come on mate you don't believe that everyone there is out for trouble and not because of genuine concern do you? The Palestinian marches will be brought into the discussion mate because of the way they were dealt with when there was trouble. I'm all for police wading into the thugs and troublemakers aslong as it is the same in all circumstances.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 2, 2024 19:43:33 GMT
These are just gatherings of mouth breathers. There is no march it’s a congregation of people whose sole aim is to intimidate. People can keep being the Palestinians marches into it as it helps deflect of course, it’s up to them…… Come on mate you don't believe that everyone there is out for trouble and not because of genuine concern do you? The Palestinian marches will be brought into the discussion mate because of the way they were dealt with when there was trouble. I'm all for police wading into the thugs and troublemakers aslong as it is the same in all circumstances. Of course there’s people protesting properly, the one in London seemed that way and I have no issue with that. But these gatherings in Hartlepool, Sunderland and the like are nothing like that….
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 2, 2024 19:48:53 GMT
Come on mate you don't believe that everyone there is out for trouble and not because of genuine concern do you? The Palestinian marches will be brought into the discussion mate because of the way they were dealt with when there was trouble. I'm all for police wading into the thugs and troublemakers aslong as it is the same in all circumstances. . Of course there’s people protesting properly, the one in London seemed that way and I have no issue with that. But these gatherings in Hartlepool, Sunderland and the like are nothing like that…. As I say though there are idiots who ruin things for the majority in all walks of life and that rings true at protests/marches. Not everyone in Hartlepool, Sunderland and the like has gone out there to cause trouble. Some would have gone out to protest with genuine concerns about the way the country is going. The idiots will be the ones who grab the headlines but that shouldn't deflect the fact that there are huge issues in the country that ordinary people have concerns about.
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Post by sticky on Aug 2, 2024 19:57:12 GMT
That's true. But millions of white working class people up and down the country will understand why they are angry. I'm white working class (or at least I was, maybe I'm not anymore I'm not really arsed with labels) and these folk disgust me. As a remainer I understand why people voted Brexit, I understand that predominantly poor northern towns get a disproportionate amount of asylum seekers who put pressure on already struggling local services. I understand that radical Islam (like any other radical ideology of which there is others) does not align with the way we as Brits exist. But these are ordinary Muslims going to Friday prayer, taxi drivers who's cab you have no problem in getting in at 01:00 in the morning when you've had a skinful, curry houses that are rammed full of white Brits every weekend as the staple diet of the nation. It's just fucking wrong on every level........ All good points them PP, see how it plays out, but this can’t carry on. The police get pelters whatever they do, so they’re never going to win. The biggest issue for me is the news. It appears a lot of people don’t believe half of what’s printed (me included) so find alternative outlets, and that’s where the arguing starts
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Post by sticky on Aug 2, 2024 20:04:10 GMT
These aren’t really protests though are they? Just look like pissed up idiots throwing things at the police. I’m in Spain atm.. back tomorrow, I just hope im not coming back to a country rioting
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Post by wannabee on Aug 2, 2024 20:09:41 GMT
So the Sunderland fans there specifically supported Adam Johnson did they? And you know every Sunderland fan by face I expect? No more than you don't know how many have turned up to have a bit of Charlie and a Tear Up With the Sunderland age football going population about 80/90K and an average attendance that season 43K I'd say statistically yea it's a high probability
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 2, 2024 20:16:56 GMT
So the Sunderland fans there specifically supported Adam Johnson did they? And you know every Sunderland fan by face I expect? No more than you don't know how many have turned up to have a bit of Charlie and a Tear Up With the Sunderland age football going population about 80/90K and an average attendance that season 43K I'd say statistically yea it's a high probability There is a world of difference between having a bit of Charlie and a tear up (let's get Danny Dyer on the phone) and being a paedophile sympathiser as I'm sure you already know. What exactly was the point of you posting this as a counter argument to your already flawed first one?
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Post by wannabee on Aug 2, 2024 21:13:42 GMT
No more than you don't know how many have turned up to have a bit of Charlie and a Tear Up With the Sunderland age football going population about 80/90K and an average attendance that season 43K I'd say statistically yea it's a high probability There is a world of difference between having a bit of Charlie and a tear up (let's get Danny Dyer on the phone) and being a paedophile sympathiser as I'm sure you already know. What exactly was the point of you posting this as a counter argument to your already flawed first one? If you think a group of Coked Up Neanderthals in Sunderland Firebombing a Police Station, Looting Shops, attacking a Mosque is some kind of legitimate protest, here borrow mine ☼
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 2, 2024 21:17:44 GMT
There is a world of difference between having a bit of Charlie and a tear up (let's get Danny Dyer on the phone) and being a paedophile sympathiser as I'm sure you already know. What exactly was the point of you posting this as a counter argument to your already flawed first one? If you think a group of Coked Up Neanderthals in Sunderland Firebombing a Police Station, Looting Shops, attacking a Mosque is some kind of legitimate protest, here borrow mine ☼ Where did I say it was ok? You inferred that Sunderland fans were sympathetic to paedophiles which is complete made up bollocks.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2024 21:28:13 GMT
Police office set on fire in Sunderland. That is really sad.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 2, 2024 21:35:06 GMT
I disagree with your attempts to play down the behaviour of some of the pro Gaza marches. I've seen it with my own eyes. However the rest of your comment is bang on. I'm certainly not downplaying it. The crowds were vast compared to some of these pockets of disturbances, there was trouble at certain ones of which I witnessed and condemned, it was a very small minority when you factor in the overall numbers though. But I've been on marches in Manchester where a couple of thousand people were perfectly peaceful and the only antagonism during the whole event was dicks like Charlie Veitch trying to inflame the situation and then crying wolf to the police standing by. I'll take your word for it. It definitely felt like more than a small minority.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 2, 2024 21:38:40 GMT
Police office set on fire in Sunderland. That is really sad. Police are the easiest target. They are the closest thing to authority. But it's fucking mental behaviour....
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Post by wannabee on Aug 2, 2024 21:52:16 GMT
If you think a group of Coked Up Neanderthals in Sunderland Firebombing a Police Station, Looting Shops, attacking a Mosque is some kind of legitimate protest, here borrow mine ☼ Where did I say it was ok? You inferred that Sunderland fans were sympathetic to paedophiles which is complete made up bollocks. I didn't infer anything, I said it and provided video evidence If you think the "Protest March" tonight is legitimately in support of the Murdered Girls in Southport you're delusional. They are just a bunch of hooligans similar to the ones who sang "Adam Johnson, he S..gs who he wants" It is mindless mob mentality They are too stupid to realise they were supporting a Paedophile and they're too stupid tonight to understand what they are doing tonight. But Hey-ho it beats the humdrum of a normal Friday Night a few lines of Charlie and Rob the Local Offy for a few more bevies, set fire to a Police Station and attack the Police and a Mosque, Jobs a good un.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 2, 2024 21:54:05 GMT
The right wing thugs who are currently assaulting police and vandalising city centres will probably get some sort of reaction from government. There will be words of outrage and promises to crack down on the dickheads but equally there will be an orchestrated government policy to address the issues the thugs are rioting about. It will amount to fuck all in the great scheme of things but everybody is seen to be doing something.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 2, 2024 21:54:59 GMT
Where did I say it was ok? You inferred that Sunderland fans were sympathetic to paedophiles which is complete made up bollocks. I didn't infer anything, I said it and provided video evidence If you think the "Protest March" tonight is legitimately in support of the Murdered Girls in Southport you're delusional. They are just a bunch of hooligans similar to the ones who sang "Adam Johnson, he S..gs who he wants" It is mindless mob mentality They are too stupid to realise they were supporting a Paedophile and they're too stupid tonight to understand what they are doing tonight. But Hey-ho it beats the humdrum of a normal Friday Night a few lines of Charlie and Rob the Local Offy for a few more bevies, set fire to a Police Station and attack the Police and a Mosque, Jobs a good un. The majority of Sunderland fans would be disgusted by that. For you to say that the people in the video were the same ones there tonight though is bollocks.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 2, 2024 22:16:09 GMT
I didn't infer anything, I said it and provided video evidence If you think the "Protest March" tonight is legitimately in support of the Murdered Girls in Southport you're delusional. They are just a bunch of hooligans similar to the ones who sang "Adam Johnson, he S..gs who he wants" It is mindless mob mentality They are too stupid to realise they were supporting a Paedophile and they're too stupid tonight to understand what they are doing tonight. But Hey-ho it beats the humdrum of a normal Friday Night a few lines of Charlie and Rob the Local Offy for a few more bevies, set fire to a Police Station and attack the Police and a Mosque, Jobs a good un. The majority of Sunderland fans would be disgusted by that. For you to say that the people in the video were the same ones there tonight though is bollocks. Now your introducing a "Majority" of Sunderland Fans which I never said I posted Sunderland Fans supporting a Paedophile There were many at the Protest Riot tonight wearing Sunderland Shirts It's not too difficult to join the dots or the age profile of young Coked Up yobbos, not Patriots
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 2, 2024 22:19:39 GMT
The majority of Sunderland fans would be disgusted by that. For you to say that the people in the video were the same ones there tonight though is bollocks. Now your introducing a "Majority" of Sunderland Fans which I never said I posted Sunderland Fans supporting a Paedophile There were many at the Protest Riot tonight wearing Sunderland Shirts It's not too difficult to join the dots or the age profile of young Coked Up yobbos, not Patriots I said the majority of Sunderland fans would be disgusted as I'm sure they would. If a handful of people were wearing Brazil shirts for instance tonight and were attacking people or mosques they would still be dickheads. Absolutely no need to mention Sunderland fans at all was there in the first place.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 2, 2024 22:30:46 GMT
Now your introducing a "Majority" of Sunderland Fans which I never said I posted Sunderland Fans supporting a Paedophile There were many at the Protest Riot tonight wearing Sunderland Shirts It's not too difficult to join the dots or the age profile of young Coked Up yobbos, not Patriots I said the majority of Sunderland fans would be disgusted as I'm sure they would. If a handful of people were wearing Brazil shirts for instance tonight and were attacking people or mosques they would still be dickheads. Absolutely no need to mention Sunderland fans at all was there in the first place. Yea your right, this chaps a Pat Riot
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Post by knype on Aug 2, 2024 22:36:40 GMT
I have seen some of the behaviour and chants calling for the genocide of the Jewish people on these pro Palestine marches mate (admittedly not first hand but on videos) and they are equally disgusting. You are bang on that some of the behaviour on the marches this week has done no good whatsoever to the cause they are protesting for. My point being that not everyone on the marches is a dickhead as much as they aren't on the Palestine or any other protests that take place. There will always be a minority (in my opinion) of idiots who jump on the bandwagon for the trouble. These are just gatherings of mouth breathers. There is no march it’s a congregation of people whose sole aim is to intimidate. People can keep being the Palestinians marches into it as it helps deflect of course, it’s up to them…… And people can keep defending the Hamas rallies and keep blaming the far right ones for all the troubles .
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 2, 2024 22:41:11 GMT
I said the majority of Sunderland fans would be disgusted as I'm sure they would. If a handful of people were wearing Brazil shirts for instance tonight and were attacking people or mosques they would still be dickheads. Absolutely no need to mention Sunderland fans at all was there in the first place. Yea your right, this chaps a Pat Riot View Attachment Yeah and there's a bloke with a push bike there aswell. Are all people with push bikes rioting fucking idiots aswell?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2024 23:02:35 GMT
Yeah and there's a bloke with a push bike there aswell. Are all people with push bikes rioting fucking idiots aswell? Depends what colour they are I suppose
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Post by wannabee on Aug 2, 2024 23:04:12 GMT
Yeah and there's a bloke with a push bike there aswell. Are all people with push bikes rioting fucking idiots aswell? Was the Chap with the push bike wearing a balaclava and confronting the police as well? Your metaphors are becoming more bizarre, from non existent chaps wearing Brazil Shirts to a random chap a with bicycle
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 2, 2024 23:06:13 GMT
Yeah and there's a bloke with a push bike there aswell. Are all people with push bikes rioting fucking idiots aswell? Was the Chap with the push bike wearing a balaclava and confronting the police as well? Your metaphors are becoming more bizarre, from non existent chaps wearing Brazil Shirts to a random chap a with bicycle About as bizarre as you mentioning Sunderland fans, Adam Johnson, bags of coke and trips to the offy mate.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 2, 2024 23:07:13 GMT
Yeah and there's a bloke with a push bike there aswell. Are all people with push bikes rioting fucking idiots aswell? Depends what colour they are I suppose He's lost the plot mate.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 2, 2024 23:49:54 GMT
Was the Chap with the push bike wearing a balaclava and confronting the police as well? Your metaphors are becoming more bizarre, from non existent chaps wearing Brazil Shirts to a random chap a with bicycle About as bizarre as you mentioning Sunderland fans, Adam Johnson, bags of coke and trips to the offy mate. I feel sorry for you mate that you feel the need to defend these mindless thugs No Sunderland Shirts or Bicycles as far as I can see just Flags of St George worn by the Pat Riots x.com/i/status/1819489670457446543
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 3, 2024 7:51:04 GMT
About as bizarre as you mentioning Sunderland fans, Adam Johnson, bags of coke and trips to the offy mate. I feel sorry for you mate that you feel the need to defend these mindless thugs No Sunderland Shirts or Bicycles as far as I can see just Flags of St George worn by the Pat Riots x.com/i/status/1819489670457446543 I haven't defended any of the people rioting in any of my posts, not one. I have condemned them in many posts and have said they are fucking idiots. They are taking the headlines when there are normal people at these protests who have genuine concerns who will not be heard because of the idiots. You keep throwing out bullshit at me though if it makes you feel better.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 3, 2024 8:06:57 GMT
I feel sorry for you mate that you feel the need to defend these mindless thugs No Sunderland Shirts or Bicycles as far as I can see just Flags of St George worn by the Pat Riots x.com/i/status/1819489670457446543 I haven't defended any of the people rioting in any of my posts, not one. I have condemned them in many posts and have said they are fucking idiots. They are taking the headlines when there are normal people at these protests who have genuine concerns who will not be heard because of the idiots. You keep throwing out bullshit at me though if it makes you feel better. If the normal people feel have genuine concerns they should arrange their own peaceful protests and have nothing to do with the rioters. As it is, reports say a lot of those 'normal' people are encouraging the thugs.
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