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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 1, 2024 22:10:22 GMT
I'm not getting drawn into any back and forth. Khan threatened to raise hell, in Rochdale until the results suited him. He used a situation to his own ends, much the same as others did with Southport. In fact his rhetoric, viewed by the perpetrators of Southport, probably went some way to ensuring that the shit stirring to cause it had as successful an effect as it did. If that isn't explanation enough then I apologise but that's all I've got. You see this is why I asked. Because I can't find anything online linking Jack Khan to Rochdale. Are you sure you've got the right person?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 1, 2024 22:11:24 GMT
No, I'm on about, what do you mean by the specific part of your post that I quoted?
I'm not getting drawn into any back and forth. Khan threatened to raise hell, in Rochdale until the results suited him. He used a situation to his own ends, much the same as others did with Southport. In fact his rhetoric, viewed by the perpetrators of Southport, probably went some way to ensuring that the shit stirring to cause it had as successful an effect as it did. If that isn't explanation enough then I apologise but that's all I've got. I wish you’d just get to the point, I really don’t know what you’re talking about. What do you think of Walsall?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 1, 2024 22:12:52 GMT
I'm not getting drawn into any back and forth. Khan threatened to raise hell, in Rochdale until the results suited him. He used a situation to his own ends, much the same as others did with Southport. In fact his rhetoric, viewed by the perpetrators of Southport, probably went some way to ensuring that the shit stirring to cause it had as successful an effect as it did. If that isn't explanation enough then I apologise but that's all I've got. I wish you’d just get to the point, I really don’t know what you’re talking about. What do you think of Walsall? My lasting memory of Walsall is a mate desperate for a slash nipping around a corner and going up against a window. It was one way glass, from inside to out. It was a full restaurant 🤦
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2024 22:13:26 GMT
You see this is why I asked. Because I can't find anything online linking Jack Khan to Rochdale. Are you sure you've got the right person?
So not Rochdale then?
Do you understand why I asked now?
I thought you might be linking him to the Rochdale grooming gangs or something else that I wasn't aware of.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 1, 2024 22:16:06 GMT
So not Rochdale then? Do you understand why I asked now? I thought you might be linking him to the Rochdale grooming gangs or something else that I wasn't aware of.
Attacking the police station in Rochdale. Referencing Rochdale and Harehills in the same sentence made sense to me, given anybody aware of what has been happening would connect the dots sufficiently. I'll use the Harvard system next time.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 1, 2024 22:17:41 GMT
So not Rochdale then? Do you understand why I asked now? I thought you might be linking him to the Rochdale grooming gangs or something else that I wasn't aware of.
Attacking the police station in Rochdale. Referencing Rochdale and Harehills in the same sentence made sense to me, given anybody aware of what has been happening would connect the dots sufficiently. I'll use the Harvard system next time. Ignorance is bliss they say. I have to say, looking at this thread I disagree
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2024 22:19:28 GMT
I'm not getting drawn into any back and forth. Khan threatened to raise hell, in Rochdale until the results suited him. He used a situation to his own ends, much the same as others did with Southport. In fact his rhetoric, viewed by the perpetrators of Southport, probably went some way to ensuring that the shit stirring to cause it had as successful an effect as it did. If that isn't explanation enough then I apologise but that's all I've got. I wish you’d just get to the point, I really don’t know what you’re talking about. What do you think of Walsall?
This is what I was on about to you last night.
Do you really think that just continuously making posts ridiculing other posters, really creates a constructive atmosphere for the rest of the forum?
As PP said earlier, people are trying to have grown up conversations about serious topics, yes, I know that you don't actually have a lot to offer yourself but does that really excuse your repeated sniping and egging other people on, like you're standing on the edge of a primary school fight?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 1, 2024 22:21:20 GMT
I wish you’d just get to the point, I really don’t know what you’re talking about. What do you think of Walsall? This is what I was on about to you last night. Do you really think that just continuously making posts ridiculing other posters, really creates a constructive atmosphere for the rest of the forum? As PP said earlier, people are trying to have grown up conversations about serious topics, yes, I know that you don't actually have a lot to offer yourself but does that really excuse your repeated sniping and egging other people on, like your standing on the edge of a primary school fight?
I can take it, I don't mind Badger's digging, he's harmless enough. Just a bit soft in the noggin. Thanks for sticking up for me.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2024 22:23:30 GMT
So not Rochdale then? Do you understand why I asked now? I thought you might be linking him to the Rochdale grooming gangs or something else that I wasn't aware of.
Attacking the police station in Rochdale. Referencing Rochdale and Harehills in the same sentence made sense to me, given anybody aware of what has been happening would connect the dots sufficiently. I'll use the Harvard system next time.
Nobody attacked the police station in Rochdale.
And Khan made absolutely no reference to Rochdale either.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2024 22:24:44 GMT
This is what I was on about to you last night. Do you really think that just continuously making posts ridiculing other posters, really creates a constructive atmosphere for the rest of the forum? As PP said earlier, people are trying to have grown up conversations about serious topics, yes, I know that you don't actually have a lot to offer yourself but does that really excuse your repeated sniping and egging other people on, like your standing on the edge of a primary school fight?
I can take it, I don't mind Badger's digging, he's harmless enough. Just a bit soft in the noggin. Thanks for sticking up for me.
I'll give you that one ...
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 1, 2024 22:24:55 GMT
People have certainly been ignorant. They were warned that this could happen if politicians with racist agendas were given a platform but their supporters joked about wokies and lefties. Without being racist, despite of course being labelled racist, plenty of non Tommy robinsons have tried to point out that rapid immigration in a short timescale without a proper plan for how its going to work will most likely cause friction, potentially serious friction. Nobody has listened to one jot of it. Just keep dumping problems onto the already disadvantaged and look the other way. Successive govts caused this problem. And here we are.. People have listened but don't have easy answers. People want a doctors' appointment ,a house built, a long retirement , affordable social care , a growing economy, all at a time the demographic is ageing rapidly. Immigration is the trade-off to try and satisfy those demands. Successive governments realise that the UK would be on its arse without it. People don't want foreign aid or to lessen the impact of climate change to try and make other places in the world better places to live. Result? People want to move to the UK. Does migration cause tensions? It always has. Go back a couple of hundred years and the pitched battles as the English railway navvies fought the Scottish and Irish navvies building railways in England, (except for joining forces with the Scots when all three nations were engaged in a small geographical area because they both hated the Irish). So how much immigration do people believe the UK needs? 300,000 a year? One-in/one-out? I'm sure some would say the latter, but if that comes with them being worse off those same people will be howling at the politicians.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 1, 2024 22:26:24 GMT
I can take it, I don't mind Badger's digging, he's harmless enough. Just a bit soft in the noggin. Thanks for sticking up for me.
I'll give you that one ... Funny😏
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 1, 2024 22:37:45 GMT
Without being racist, despite of course being labelled racist, plenty of non Tommy robinsons have tried to point out that rapid immigration in a short timescale without a proper plan for how its going to work will most likely cause friction, potentially serious friction. Nobody has listened to one jot of it. Just keep dumping problems onto the already disadvantaged and look the other way. Successive govts caused this problem. And here we are.. People have listened but don't have easy answers. People want a doctors' appointment ,a house built, a long retirement , affordable social care , a growing economy, all at a time the demographic is ageing rapidly. Immigration is the trade-off to try and satisfy those demands. Successive governments realise that the UK would be on its arse without it. People don't want foreign aid or to lessen the impact of climate change to try and make other places in the world better places to live. Result? People want to move to the UK. Does migration cause tensions? It always has. Go back a couple of hundred years and the pitched battles as the English railway navvies fought the Scottish and Irish navvies building railways in England, (except for joining forces with the Scots when all three nations were engaged in a small geographical area because they both hated the Irish). So how much immigration do people believe the UK needs? 300,000 a year? One-in/one-out? I'm sure some would say the latter, but if that comes with them being worse off those same people will be howling at the politicians. Some great stuff in there. Really good. But I guess my point is, yes the equation stacks up that we need immigration, but succesive govts have not put a plan in place, any of em. And this is what you get. Pissed off people who keep taking the brunt of all the consequences and are told to shut the F up. It's been coming for years. And as some people have correctly pointed out this affects all shades of people, its about poverty and inequality etc. But one particular shade of all those people were told after the American riots at the start of covid that they were privileged. I really don't think they feel privileged. Not a good look now in my opinion..
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Post by wannabee on Aug 1, 2024 23:05:03 GMT
People have certainly been ignorant. They were warned that this could happen if politicians with racist agendas were given a platform but their supporters joked about wokies and lefties. I'm guessing that's the reason for Rochdale and Harehills too. You've got Robinson one side and Jack Khan the other. The common denominator of all those you have name checked is they feel excluded and under represented I can agree to a certain extent but doesn't that mean they hold a minority view. In a Democracy Minority views should be accomadated but it doesn't translate to if their Minority view doesn't become the dominant view they have free licence to Riot and attack the symbols of the establishment i.e. the Police The polarising views which have gained Media attention and accusations of Two Tier Policing are Gaza and Immigrants It's legitimate to oppose the Gaza Protests if you support Israel. The Patriots being anti Gaza Protest are not welcomed by those that support Israel therefore they can only be anti Gaza supporters who they conflate as being Muslims The Southport Protest/Riot were not welcomed by the people of Stockport nor by the families of Victims of the heinous crime but it manifested in a attack on the Police and a Mosque. We know the culprit had no association with either. I would welcome a genuine Protest march that wasn't cloacked in pseudo Patriotism or negatively against a minority but positivity expressed a reasoned objective of what what the fuck is the grievance If you or others are awaiting a White Knight like Farage to ride in on a White Horse think again because its a minority view which was rejected at the last Election. I won't deny it has a groundswell of support and I'm not going down the FPTP Rabbit Hole. Farage is like the Political Wing and Robinson is like the Militant Wing. People can decide their motivations when one is currently in the US and the other in Spain
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2024 23:05:56 GMT
People have listened but don't have easy answers. People want a doctors' appointment ,a house built, a long retirement , affordable social care , a growing economy, all at a time the demographic is ageing rapidly. Immigration is the trade-off to try and satisfy those demands. Successive governments realise that the UK would be on its arse without it. People don't want foreign aid or to lessen the impact of climate change to try and make other places in the world better places to live. Result? People want to move to the UK. Does migration cause tensions? It always has. Go back a couple of hundred years and the pitched battles as the English railway navvies fought the Scottish and Irish navvies building railways in England, (except for joining forces with the Scots when all three nations were engaged in a small geographical area because they both hated the Irish). So how much immigration do people believe the UK needs? 300,000 a year? One-in/one-out? I'm sure some would say the latter, but if that comes with them being worse off those same people will be howling at the politicians. Some great stuff in there. Really good. But I guess my point is, yes the equation stacks up that we need immigration, but succesive govts have not put a plan in place, any of em. And this is what you get. Pissed off people who keep taking the brunt of all the consequences and are told to shut the F up. It's been coming for years. And as some people have correctly pointed out this affects all shades of people, its about poverty and inequality etc. But one particular shade of all those people were told after the American riots at the start of covid that they were privileged. I really don't think they feel privileged. Not a good look now in my opinion.. Are people being told to shut the fuck up though? (As I've said many times) people have every right to be fucking pissed but many of us think that that anger is being exploited by people with nefarious agendas of their own, who really don't give two fucks about the people they are pretending to represent. And by that, I mean your Farage's and your Robinson's, amongst others. It's what (understandably) led to Brexit and look where that has got us. I don't think people are inherently anti-immigrant, they just want the opportunity to have a proper crack at making a decent life for themselves and their families. But when they are denied that opportunity, snake oil salesman like Farage, step into that vacuum and tell them that the reason for their lack of opportunity is due to him, that one over there. It's a seductive proposition, it's not the ruling elite who are actually fucking you, it's the foreigners, it's all about the foreigners. And it's nothing new, the same trick has been performed, repeatedly for decades, it never, ever solves anything for the people at the bottom mind.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 1, 2024 23:20:23 GMT
One thing to remember is that just because one side wears a uniform doesn't mean that their thuggery is somehow excusable. Have a chat with some of the civil rights protesters in Northern Ireland. They were peaceful but still got stamped on. They then upped the anti and moved on to rocks, petrol bombs etc, and still no one listened. They then upped it again and it went to guns and bombs and still no one listened. It took 30 years and 4000 people dead before someone decided to listen. This is profoundly true but the reason for discontent in NI in the first instance was that a large minority population were systematically discriminated against by the majority population in Jobs, Housing and Gerrymandering in Polititical Representation and it was enforsed by a Police Force B Specials almost entirely drawn from the majority population Of course the divide was drawn on Religious Affiliation but had nothing to do with religion other than the domination of one segment of Society over the other. If you are seriously trying to draw parallels you are completely delusional
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Post by milton58 on Aug 2, 2024 4:49:34 GMT
Thanks mate, I didn't know about that.
If the protesters on that march start attacking the police and throwing bricks and bottles at them, then I assume you'll be hoping for a robust response from the police?
don't think they would be so aggressive tbh
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 2, 2024 7:45:46 GMT
Seems a valid point to me, and as you keep telling us , we're all entitled to an opinion, just you don't like it when it doesn't match yours. Your opinion is fine by me, what are you talking about? I’m allowed a counter opinion arent I? Apologies Badge, should have worded that much better. You are of course entitled to your opinion. Frustrations coming out.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2024 8:15:10 GMT
Your opinion is fine by me, what are you talking about? I’m allowed a counter opinion arent I? Apologies Badge, should have worded that much better. You are of course entitled to your opinion. Frustrations coming out. There’s a lot of frustration on this thread. Imagine the frustration of the people involved in the weeks events
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 2, 2024 18:31:58 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Aug 2, 2024 18:32:45 GMT
Sunderland now apparently # God help us
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 2, 2024 18:36:39 GMT
This country has gone to shit.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2024 18:37:52 GMT
This country has gone to shit. What are the reasons?
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 2, 2024 18:39:23 GMT
This country has gone to shit. What are the reasons? God knows.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 2, 2024 18:40:15 GMT
Sunderland now apparently "Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves...................................." Inbreds.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2024 18:40:50 GMT
God knows. Correct answer
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 2, 2024 18:48:37 GMT
Sunderland now apparently "Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves...................................." Inbreds. Think Stan misspelled pond life.
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Post by desman2 on Aug 2, 2024 18:50:47 GMT
Sunderland now apparently "Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves...................................." Inbreds. Thats really helpful isn't it
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Post by starkiller on Aug 2, 2024 18:51:09 GMT
It's really concerning.
Ordinary people have been ignored for decades. But this is no answer.
Starmer had chance to unite, but instead fanned the flames with his diabolical speech. Terrible leadership, or deliberate. His authority ended yesterday in the eyes of many.
Always felt civil war was possibly a globalist agenda. Maybe it is. It was reignited in the States.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 2, 2024 18:52:23 GMT
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