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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2024 18:55:16 GMT
It's really concerning. Ordinary people have been ignored for decades. But this is no answer. Starmer had chance to unite, but instead fanned the flames with his diabolical speech. Terrible leadership, or deliberate. His authority ended yesterday in the eyes of many. Always felt civil war was possibly a globalist agenda. Maybe it is. It was reignited in the States. Spot on
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Post by Gods on Aug 2, 2024 18:59:27 GMT
I don't think these protests are really going to take off if the best that can be whipped up is some half arsed effort in Sunderland on a sultry summer evening.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2024 18:59:43 GMT
You can’t say the warning signs weren’t there. As despicable as it is to see people being violent
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2024 19:00:40 GMT
I don't think these protests are really going to take off if the best that can be whipped up is some half arsed effort in Sunderland on a sultry summer evening when nothing else us on. That maybe true, but the next flashpoint and it’ll get uglier and so on
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 2, 2024 19:03:41 GMT
So the Sunderland fans there specifically supported Adam Johnson did they? And you know every Sunderland fan by face I expect?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2024 19:05:11 GMT
So the Sunderland fans there specifically supported Adam Johnson did they? And you know every Sunderland fan by face I expect? Just another example of deflection mate, and a pretty poor effort by all accounts
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 2, 2024 19:05:28 GMT
"Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves...................................." Inbreds. Thats really helpful isn't it If people genuinely think these gatherings are "patriots" who "just want their country back" (whatever the fuck that means) I have a bridge to sell them. If they want to protest vocally and in numbers good on them I say, but this is singling out Asians driving cabs, worshippinging in Mosques and is straight out of the 70's playbook. So whether that's helpful or not, I'm really not arsed..........
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 2, 2024 19:06:53 GMT
Was always going to happen. The white working class British population have been dismissed and ignored by our privileged liberal establishment for decades. This is just the start.
Make no mistake about it, mass immigration has been an absolute catastrophe for this nation. How anyone could have thought it'd end in anything other than hostility is beyond me.
The media are having a field day using "far right" in every sentence. They just don't learn do they. I don't think they used the word "Muslim" once during the Leeds riots, despite it being almost an entirely Muslim revolt.
Two tier policing and two tier reporting. That doesn't make what the Sunderland protestors are doing right. But how could one be so naive to think this kind of stuff wouldn't happen.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 2, 2024 19:07:14 GMT
These are dark times.
It's hard to disagree with hartshill though... All the warning signs have been there going back 20 years. I remember being an 18 year old and the BNP were massively on the rise.
UKIP were the first viable alternative for people with very right wing views and this 'movement' has only grown since.
All very worrying.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 2, 2024 19:08:11 GMT
Sounds like a fellow Stokie. Makes you proud..........
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 2, 2024 19:08:49 GMT
So the Sunderland fans there specifically supported Adam Johnson did they? And you know every Sunderland fan by face I expect? Just another example of deflection mate, and a pretty poor effort by all accounts I can only guess that at the Pro Palestine/Pro Hamas gatherings, face coverings would not be mentioned by some.
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Post by desman2 on Aug 2, 2024 19:09:23 GMT
Thats really helpful isn't it If people genuinely think these gatherings are "patriots" who "just want their country back" (whatever the fuck that means) I have a bridge to sell them. If they want to protest vocally and in numbers good on them I say, but this is singling out Asians driving cabs, worshippinging in Mosques and is straight out of the 70's playbook. So whether that's helpful or not, I'm really not arsed.......... Well good for you
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2024 19:09:28 GMT
Was always going to happen. The white working class British population have been dismissed and ignored by our privileged liberal establishment for decades. This is just the start. Make no mistake about it, mass immigration has been an absolute catastrophe for this nation. How anyone could have thought it'd end in anything other than hostility is beyond me. You say these things and get ignored or laughed at but look what’s happening now. Those people aren’t laughing now are they?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 2, 2024 19:09:30 GMT
Was always going to happen. The white working class British population have been dismissed and ignored by our privileged liberal establishment for decades. This is just the start. Make no mistake about it, mass immigration has been an absolute catastrophe for this nation. How anyone could have thought it'd end in anything other than hostility is beyond me. Don't conflate the white working class with these lowlives on the street. Many white working class people will look at these scenes up and down the country and cringe with embarrassment..........
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 2, 2024 19:12:25 GMT
Was always going to happen. The white working class British population have been dismissed and ignored by our privileged liberal establishment for decades. This is just the start. Make no mistake about it, mass immigration has been an absolute catastrophe for this nation. How anyone could have thought it'd end in anything other than hostility is beyond me. Don't conflate the white working class with these lowlives on the street. Many white working class people will look at these scenes up and down the country and cringe with embarrassment.......... That's true. But millions of white working class people up and down the country will understand why they are angry.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 2, 2024 19:12:30 GMT
Sounds like a fellow Stokie. Makes you proud.......... An absolute bell.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 2, 2024 19:13:49 GMT
Just another example of deflection mate, and a pretty poor effort by all accounts I can only guess that at the Pro Palestine/Pro Hamas gatherings, face coverings would not be mentioned by some. Honestly mate 've been on some of the pro-Palestine marches, there's been small pockets of trouble which I have certainly condemned, this is on another level. 1,000's more people with far less antagonism. It's people wandering the streets with a beer in their hand, singling out people with brown faces and their places of worship and causing damage and destruction. It's got absolutely nothing to do with genuine concerns about the incident in Southport and the wider issue of immigration........
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Post by metalhead on Aug 2, 2024 19:15:37 GMT
Sounds like a fellow Stokie. Makes you proud.......... Fucking scum.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2024 19:15:40 GMT
The problem we have is that a certain section of people don’t want to listen, they’re not interested in why these demos/riots are taking place. They just want to label people as racist because it’s an easy way out of the conversation that’ll be listened to by the liberal elite government. Nobody has listened and now the inevitable is taking place.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 2, 2024 19:17:36 GMT
I can only guess that at the Pro Palestine/Pro Hamas gatherings, face coverings would not be mentioned by some. Honestly mate 've been on some of the pro-Palestine marches, there's been small pockets of trouble which I have certainly condemned, this is on another level. 1,000's more people with far less antagonism. It's people wandering the streets with a beer in their hand, singling out people with brown faces and their places of worship and causing damage and destruction. It's got absolutely nothing to do with genuine concerns about the incident in Southport and the wider issue of immigration........ I disagree with your attempts to play down the behaviour of some of the pro Gaza marches. I've seen it with my own eyes. However the rest of your comment is bang on.
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Post by sticky on Aug 2, 2024 19:18:25 GMT
It’s been coming for ages, anyone with half a brain cell could see it. Not that I think anything will change mind.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 2, 2024 19:18:45 GMT
Don't conflate the white working class with these lowlives on the street. Many white working class people will look at these scenes up and down the country and cringe with embarrassment.......... That's true. But millions of white working class people up and down the country will understand why they are angry. I'm white working class (or at least I was, maybe I'm not anymore I'm not really arsed with labels) and these folk disgust me. As a remainer I understand why people voted Brexit, I understand that predominantly poor northern towns get a disproportionate amount of asylum seekers who put pressure on already struggling local services. I understand that radical Islam (like any other radical ideology of which there is others) does not align with the way we as Brits exist. But these are ordinary Muslims going to Friday prayer, taxi drivers who's cab you have no problem in getting in at 01:00 in the morning when you've had a skinful, curry houses that are rammed full of white Brits every weekend as the staple diet of the nation. It's just fucking wrong on every level........
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2024 19:18:47 GMT
Was always going to happen. The white working class British population have been dismissed and ignored by our privileged liberal establishment for decades. This is just the start. Make no mistake about it, mass immigration has been an absolute catastrophe for this nation. How anyone could have thought it'd end in anything other than hostility is beyond me. Don't conflate the white working class with these lowlives on the street. Many white working class people will look at these scenes up and down the country and cringe with embarrassment.......... This is correct. The problem is these are the only people that dare to go out and protest. I imagine many many people have similar feelings but don’t want to be associated with these neanderthals
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 2, 2024 19:22:11 GMT
Honestly mate 've been on some of the pro-Palestine marches, there's been small pockets of trouble which I have certainly condemned, this is on another level. 1,000's more people with far less antagonism. It's people wandering the streets with a beer in their hand, singling out people with brown faces and their places of worship and causing damage and destruction. It's got absolutely nothing to do with genuine concerns about the incident in Southport and the wider issue of immigration........ I disagree with your attempts to play down the behaviour of some of the pro Gaza marches. I've seen it with my own eyes. However the rest of your comment is bang on. I'm certainly not downplaying it. The crowds were vast compared to some of these pockets of disturbances, there was trouble at certain ones of which I witnessed and condemned, it was a very small minority when you factor in the overall numbers though. But I've been on marches in Manchester where a couple of thousand people were perfectly peaceful and the only antagonism during the whole event was dicks like Charlie Veitch trying to inflame the situation and then crying wolf to the police standing by.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 2, 2024 19:26:07 GMT
The problem we have is that a certain section of people don’t want to listen, they’re not interested in why these demos/riots are taking place. They just want to label people as racist because it’s an easy way out of the conversation that’ll be listened to by the liberal elite government. Nobody has listened and now the inevitable is taking place. The only surprise is that we haven't had far more violent rioting against the establishment in recent years. Snarling liberals in the likes of Islington and Bristol will no doubt continue to double down on their approach of never listening and never learning. Given so many of them have studied at University, one would have hoped they would have a grasp of how historical populism formulates itself.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2024 19:26:58 GMT
The problem we have is that a certain section of people don’t want to listen, they’re not interested in why these demos/riots are taking place. They just want to label people as racist because it’s an easy way out of the conversation that’ll be listened to by the liberal elite government. Nobody has listened and now the inevitable is taking place. The only surprise is that we haven't had far more violent rioting against the establishment in recent years. Snarling liberals in the likes of Islington and Bristol will no doubt continue to double down on their approach of never listening and never learning. Given so many of them have studied at University, one would have hoped they would have a grasp of how historical populism formulates itself. Lack of real world awareness perhaps
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 2, 2024 19:28:09 GMT
I can only guess that at the Pro Palestine/Pro Hamas gatherings, face coverings would not be mentioned by some. Honestly mate 've been on some of the pro-Palestine marches, there's been small pockets of trouble which I have certainly condemned, this is on another level. 1,000's more people with far less antagonism. It's people wandering the streets with a beer in their hand, singling out people with brown faces and their places of worship and causing damage and destruction. It's got absolutely nothing to do with genuine concerns about the incident in Southport and the wider issue of immigration........ I have seen some of the behaviour and chants calling for the genocide of the Jewish people on these pro Palestine marches mate (admittedly not first hand but on videos) and they are equally disgusting. You are bang on that some of the behaviour on the marches this week has done no good whatsoever to the cause they are protesting for. My point being that not everyone on the marches is a dickhead as much as they aren't on the Palestine or any other protests that take place. There will always be a minority (in my opinion) of idiots who jump on the bandwagon for the trouble.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 2, 2024 19:29:52 GMT
That's true. But millions of white working class people up and down the country will understand why they are angry. I'm white working class (or at least I was, maybe I'm not anymore I'm not really arsed with labels) and these folk disgust me. As a remainer I understand why people voted Brexit, I understand that predominantly poor northern towns get a disproportionate amount of asylum seekers who put pressure on already struggling local services. I understand that radical Islam (like any other radical ideology of which there is others) does not align with the way we as Brits exist. But these are ordinary Muslims going to Friday prayer, taxi drivers who's cab you have no problem in getting in at 01:00 in the morning when you've had a skinful, curry houses that are rammed full of white Brits every weekend as the staple diet of the nation. It's just fucking wrong on every level........ I don't dispute your stance and you have every right to think the protests are wrong in every way. I don't like to see such hostility and much prefer seeing peaceful patriotic protests like that which was held in London last week. But it doesnt change the fact that this was a total inevitability. Socially, our country is in an absolutely terrible state. The establishment and the media are absolutely to blame. The country is broken but no one in government seemed/seems to care.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 2, 2024 19:30:17 GMT
Honestly mate 've been on some of the pro-Palestine marches, there's been small pockets of trouble which I have certainly condemned, this is on another level. 1,000's more people with far less antagonism. It's people wandering the streets with a beer in their hand, singling out people with brown faces and their places of worship and causing damage and destruction. It's got absolutely nothing to do with genuine concerns about the incident in Southport and the wider issue of immigration........ I have seen some of the behaviour and chants calling for the genocide of the Jewish people on these pro Palestine marches mate (admittedly not first hand but on videos) and they are equally disgusting. You are bang on that some of the behaviour on the marches this week has done no good whatsoever to the cause they are protesting for. My point being that not everyone on the marches is a dickhead as much as they aren't on the Palestine or any other protests that take place. There will always be a minority (in my opinion) of idiots who jump on the bandwagon for the trouble. My march has more wrong uns than yours competition
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 2, 2024 19:35:25 GMT
I have seen some of the behaviour and chants calling for the genocide of the Jewish people on these pro Palestine marches mate (admittedly not first hand but on videos) and they are equally disgusting. You are bang on that some of the behaviour on the marches this week has done no good whatsoever to the cause they are protesting for. My point being that not everyone on the marches is a dickhead as much as they aren't on the Palestine or any other protests that take place. There will always be a minority (in my opinion) of idiots who jump on the bandwagon for the trouble. My march has more wrong uns than yours competition My point Badge I guess is that where there are large groups of people be it at football, out drinking or on marches/protests there will always be a minority who ruin it for the majority.
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