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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 21, 2024 18:08:21 GMT
Another comment from ex military guy: A helpful guide. How to tell what you have. Do you have a Topol? If yes does it have MIRV's? If yes it's a Yars. (Aka RS-24) If you remove the 3rd stage of the Yars ICBM, it is now Rubezh making it both a ICBM and IRBM. But... Another guy says they stopped officially funding RS-24 development in 2018 iirc. He seemed suspicious about whether they had working ones. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 21, 2024 18:19:33 GMT
Never has this Henry Kissinger quote been more apropos!
“It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal”
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Post by Gawa on Nov 21, 2024 18:19:35 GMT
Is it not a hypersonic oreshnik missile which western anti missile systems can't block?
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Nov 21, 2024 18:22:28 GMT
Looks like a new weapon indeed, people don't seem sure of what it is. One of the experts I follow is FR Hoffman, he's a missile guy and said it was political signalling since it seems they don't have the tech to put proper conventional warheads on them. What would it be then? What are you asking him for, he is not a itk. It just copies and paste from Forbes. You should do your own research using independent media if possible |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Nov 21, 2024 18:27:31 GMT
Is it not a hypersonic oreshnik missile which western anti missile systems can't block? Don’t know why he’s arsed - they’ve apparently shot down every single Storm Shadow missile haven’t they? There are literally NK troops fighting in his country but only now has the regional war become ‘global’… |
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Nov 21, 2024 18:27:41 GMT
Someone somewhere is making a lot of money out this war. $1m per missile!....nice one. Yes they are, the usual ones |
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Post by serpico on Nov 21, 2024 18:38:05 GMT
This is actually very concerning, western leaders (as well as many on this thread) appear to have lost their faculties, we’re gambling the whole house on defending Ukraines territorial integrity, something we could have negotiated with Russia years ago! Idiotic western politicians, desperate to cosplay Churchill on the world stage, have brought us to the brink of a major war which if triggered will quickly go nuclear!
Anyone blithely saying “it would never happen” appear to have no understanding how major wars start! It won’t take much now for this thing to go from regional to international! All you clowns who supported this will likely be the first shitting in your pants when it goes off, no more access to abundant food at the supermarket, power cuts, cities lost, loss of communications, thousands dead, it’s lunacy that no leader (bar Trump) is calling for talks!
You better hope I’m being hyperbolic!
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 21, 2024 18:49:52 GMT
This is actually very concerning, western leaders (as well as many on this thread) appear to have lost their faculties, we’re gambling the whole house on defending Ukraines territorial integrity, something we could have negotiated with Russia years ago! Idiotic western politicians, desperate to cosplay Churchill on the world stage, have brought us to the brink of a major war which if triggered will quickly go nuclear! Anyone blithely saying “it would never happen” appear to have no understanding how major wars start! It won’t take much now for this thing to go from regional to international! All you clowns who supported this will likely be the first shitting in your pants when it goes off, no more access to abundant food at the supermarket, power cuts, cities lost, loss of communications, thousands dead, it’s lunacy that no leader (bar Trump) is calling for talks! You better hope I’m being hyperbolic! There is literally zero chance of a nuclear war. The not so long, long range missiles have just strengthened our negotiation hand. Russia has been humiliated at every turn. They can't even protect their own borders. All sides want it to look and feel like the brink to have the strongest hand at the table. Realistically they've taken enough land to save face. Western powers have kept Ukraine, land wise at least largely intact and the money men can get the high interest rate loans out to start the re-build. This war in the main, bar proxy fighting will be over before the end of 2025. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Nov 21, 2024 18:54:32 GMT
Is it not a hypersonic oreshnik missile which western anti missile systems can't block? All this terminology is too confusing.  Is this a new weapon then? |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 21, 2024 18:57:06 GMT
Is it not a hypersonic oreshnik missile which western anti missile systems can't block? Don’t know why he’s arsed - they’ve apparently shot down every single Storm Shadow missile haven’t they? There are literally NK troops fighting in his country but only now has the regional war become ‘global’… Not the first foreign troops to enter this war and certainly not the only ones still operating either I imagine. Is there not some new missile being used by Ukraine which requires British troops to program them or something? I may be talking out of my arse here. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 21, 2024 18:59:27 GMT
Is it not a hypersonic oreshnik missile which western anti missile systems can't block? All this terminology is too confusing. Is this a new weapon then? No idea to be honest. Putin seems to be claiming it is. But then western sources were suggesting it was something else? Truth in the middle somewhere or maybe both talking about different things. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 21, 2024 19:14:23 GMT
This is actually very concerning, western leaders (as well as many on this thread) appear to have lost their faculties, we’re gambling the whole house on defending Ukraines territorial integrity, something we could have negotiated with Russia years ago! Idiotic western politicians, desperate to cosplay Churchill on the world stage, have brought us to the brink of a major war which if triggered will quickly go nuclear! Anyone blithely saying “it would never happen” appear to have no understanding how major wars start! It won’t take much now for this thing to go from regional to international! All you clowns who supported this will likely be the first shitting in your pants when it goes off, no more access to abundant food at the supermarket, power cuts, cities lost, loss of communications, thousands dead, it’s lunacy that no leader (bar Trump) is calling for talks! You better hope I’m being hyperbolic! There is literally zero chance of a nuclear war. The not so long, long range missiles have just strengthened our negotiation hand. Russia has been humiliated at every turn. They can't even protect their own borders. All sides want it to look and feel like the brink to have the strongest hand at the table. Realistically they've taken enough land to save face. Western powers have kept Ukraine, land wise at least largely intact and the money men can get the high interest rate loans out to start the re-build. This war in the main, bar proxy fighting will be over before the end of 2025. Even during normal times there was more than “zero chance” merely based on the fact nuclear weapons exist! To say there’s “zero chance” at this point is absurd, we’re supplying (and maybe even guiding) missiles inside Russian territory! The only reason you think it can’t happen is because you’re like a frog in a slow boiling pot, it’s happening and you don’t notice it and probably won’t until it’s too late! … Insanity has been normalised and it’s madness that our only hope is Donald trump! |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 21, 2024 22:10:37 GMT
Sorry who was it who thought firing Western weapons into Russia was a sensible decision? How the fuck did such a reckless, dangerous act not even make it to Parliament. What effect do you think this missile will have on where the eventual negotiations end up? And why do you think weapons to Ukraine is a good idea? Like what is it they do specifically that helps in your mind? I think we have different ideas on that because to me it's obvious that damaging the russian war machine is what will improve the negotiating position. I can't believe you genuinely support the idiotic decision to fire British missiles into Russia. Can you not see how reckless that is? We are literally a stones throw away (or another stupid decision from Starmer/Biden) from the mother of all escalations that would frankly put you, me and everyone we love at risk. If I didn't know your posting history well enough to know you mean well Mr Student, I'd suggest your stance is rapidly becoming deeply unhinged war mongering. I know you're very emotionally entrenched in the Ukraine war effort and don't genuinely want ww3, but mate you've got to calm down over your hostile cheering on of the war. It's exactly this kind of indoctrinated mindset that leads to genocide, crazy decisions and ultimately world wars because in your mind right now, you can justify anything that, in your mind, protects Ukraine. Even if it (quite evidently!) does the exact opposite of protecting Ukraine. The very policy you've supported re firing US and UK missiles into Russia has just plunged Ukraine into its most perilous position since the war began in 2014. There is every chance in the next week something very bad happens to Ukraine BECAUSE of these disgusting, brain dead, irresponsible actions of Biden and Starmer that didn't even get brought before parliament. Reminiscent of crazy covid policies that never get brought before parliament. Fuck war and fuck war mongering. |
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 21, 2024 22:11:35 GMT
There is literally zero chance of a nuclear war. The not so long, long range missiles have just strengthened our negotiation hand. Russia has been humiliated at every turn. They can't even protect their own borders. All sides want it to look and feel like the brink to have the strongest hand at the table. Realistically they've taken enough land to save face. Western powers have kept Ukraine, land wise at least largely intact and the money men can get the high interest rate loans out to start the re-build. This war in the main, bar proxy fighting will be over before the end of 2025. Even during normal times there was more than “zero chance” merely based on the fact nuclear weapons exist! To say there’s “zero chance” at this point is absurd, we’re supplying (and maybe even guiding) missiles inside Russian territory! The only reason you think it can’t happen is because you’re like a frog in a slow boiling pot, it’s happening and you don’t notice it and probably won’t until it’s too late! … Insanity has been normalised and it’s madness that our only hope is Donald trump! It won't happen. Just don't worry about it. |
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 21, 2024 22:17:13 GMT
What effect do you think this missile will have on where the eventual negotiations end up? And why do you think weapons to Ukraine is a good idea? Like what is it they do specifically that helps in your mind? I think we have different ideas on that because to me it's obvious that damaging the russian war machine is what will improve the negotiating position. I can't believe you genuinely support the idiotic decision to fire British missiles into Russia. Can you not see how reckless that is? We are literally a stones throw away (or another stupid decision from Starmer/Biden) from the mother of all escalations that would frankly put you, me and everyone we love at risk. If I didn't know your posting history well enough to know you mean well Mr Student, I'd suggest your stance is rapidly becoming deeply unhinged war mongering. I know you're very emotionally entrenched in the Ukraine war effort and don't genuinely want ww3, but mate you've got to calm down over your hostile cheering on of the war. It's exactly this kind of indoctrinated mindset that leads to genocide, crazy decisions and ultimately world wars because in your mind right now, you can justify anything that, in your mind, protects Ukraine. Even if it (quite evidently!) does the exact opposite of protecting Ukraine. The very policy you've supported re firing US and UK missiles into Russia has just plunged Ukraine into its most perilous position since the war began in 2014. There is every chance in the next week something very bad happens to Ukraine BECAUSE of these disgusting, brain dead, irresponsible actions of Biden and Starmer that didn't even get brought before parliament. Reminiscent of crazy covid policies that never get brought before parliament. Fuck war and fuck war mongering. I'd argue strongly not doing anything is what lead to World Wars. You stop it in its tracts. The long range missiles that only go about 300km are hitting ammo and cargo stores. They aren't targeting Russians, its just showing them we can and will fire in your land if you continue on your merry way. I'd say losing part of Russia through a land grab by the Ukranians had much more of a psychological and war bearing indictment on the situation for Putin and Russia. It's just strength of hand. They've shown they can be hit, they've shown their borders aren't very secure. The sanctions when Trump gets in on oil and it drops will hit them hard. They're dieing a death by a thousand wounds. It's time to stand on their neck as hard as possible now. They'll be at the table with a bit of wasteland to show for it in a few months. |
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Nov 21, 2024 22:30:38 GMT
I can't believe you genuinely support the idiotic decision to fire British missiles into Russia. Can you not see how reckless that is? We are literally a stones throw away (or another stupid decision from Starmer/Biden) from the mother of all escalations that would frankly put you, me and everyone we love at risk. If I didn't know your posting history well enough to know you mean well Mr Student, I'd suggest your stance is rapidly becoming deeply unhinged war mongering. I know you're very emotionally entrenched in the Ukraine war effort and don't genuinely want ww3, but mate you've got to calm down over your hostile cheering on of the war. It's exactly this kind of indoctrinated mindset that leads to genocide, crazy decisions and ultimately world wars because in your mind right now, you can justify anything that, in your mind, protects Ukraine. Even if it (quite evidently!) does the exact opposite of protecting Ukraine. The very policy you've supported re firing US and UK missiles into Russia has just plunged Ukraine into its most perilous position since the war began in 2014. There is every chance in the next week something very bad happens to Ukraine BECAUSE of these disgusting, brain dead, irresponsible actions of Biden and Starmer that didn't even get brought before parliament. Reminiscent of crazy covid policies that never get brought before parliament. Fuck war and fuck war mongering. I'd argue strongly not doing anything is what lead to World Wars. You stop it in its tracts. The long range missiles that only go about 300km are hitting ammo and cargo stores. They aren't targeting Russians, its just showing them we can and will fire in your land if you continue on your merry way. I'd say losing part of Russia through a land grab by the Ukranians had much more of a psychological and war bearing indictment on the situation for Putin and Russia. It's just strength of hand. They've shown they can be hit, they've shown their borders aren't very secure. The sanctions when Trump gets in on oil and it drops will hit them hard. They're dieing a death by a thousand wounds. It's time to stand on their neck as hard as possible now. They'll be at the table with a bit of wasteland to show for it in a few months. How do you know what the bombs are hitting, ? |
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 21, 2024 22:33:57 GMT
I'd argue strongly not doing anything is what lead to World Wars. You stop it in its tracts. The long range missiles that only go about 300km are hitting ammo and cargo stores. They aren't targeting Russians, its just showing them we can and will fire in your land if you continue on your merry way. I'd say losing part of Russia through a land grab by the Ukranians had much more of a psychological and war bearing indictment on the situation for Putin and Russia. It's just strength of hand. They've shown they can be hit, they've shown their borders aren't very secure. The sanctions when Trump gets in on oil and it drops will hit them hard. They're dieing a death by a thousand wounds. It's time to stand on their neck as hard as possible now. They'll be at the table with a bit of wasteland to show for it in a few months. How do you know what the bombs are hitting, ? I've seem the range map of the missiles from the launch sites. It hardly goes into Russias border. The 6 shot the other day went at Bryansk. Which is just north of the Ukranian border. |
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Nov 21, 2024 22:38:45 GMT
How do you know what the bombs are hitting, ? I've seem the range map of the missiles from the launch sites. It hardly goes into Russias border. The 6 shot the other day went at Bryansk. Which is just north of the Ukranian border. But you don't know what they are hitting they could be landed on a children's hospital for all you know. ? Something else, it is said that Biden gave the order to use the British long range missiles, |
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Post by musik on Nov 21, 2024 22:55:42 GMT
The most interesting thing today on the tv was the arrest order they've put on Putin, Nathanyahoo and some fucker in Sudan.
If they ever are close to alone, they will be caught.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 21, 2024 23:21:02 GMT
So it’s all right for Putin to rain missiles and bombs on Ukrainian cities but the west can’t supply missiles to the Ukrainians to diminish an aggressors capabilities?
Madness, they should have been given these missiles way earlier.
It’s a war 🤦♂️
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 21, 2024 23:36:59 GMT
I've seem the range map of the missiles from the launch sites. It hardly goes into Russias border. The 6 shot the other day went at Bryansk. Which is just north of the Ukranian border. But you don't know what they are hitting they could be landed on a children's hospital for all you know. ? Something else, it is said that Biden gave the order to use the British long range missiles, It’s not gaza |
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Post by Gods on Nov 21, 2024 23:50:47 GMT
So it’s all right for Putin to rain missiles and bombs on Ukrainian cities but the west can’t supply missiles to the Ukrainians to diminish an aggressors capabilities? Madness, they should have been given these missiles way earlier. It’s a war 🤦♂️ Exactly, Europe is at war with Russia and the front line is the Ukraine/ Russia border. And post-Trump we can no longer rely on the USA to protect Europe. Frankly nor should we ever have done. The sooner we come to terms with this and invest properly in our own military the better. |
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Nov 22, 2024 1:00:27 GMT
So Russia can bomb Ukrainian Maternity hospitals, but Ukraine shouldn’t be able to use American and British missiles to hit military targets in Russia. Make it make sense.
For context:
The most widely covered attack was the bombing of the Mariupol maternity hospital. On 23 November 2022, Russian missile strikes destroyed a maternity ward in Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia region, in the town of Vilnyansk, killing a newborn baby.
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Post by serpico on Nov 22, 2024 9:06:52 GMT
Even during normal times there was more than “zero chance” merely based on the fact nuclear weapons exist! To say there’s “zero chance” at this point is absurd, we’re supplying (and maybe even guiding) missiles inside Russian territory! The only reason you think it can’t happen is because you’re like a frog in a slow boiling pot, it’s happening and you don’t notice it and probably won’t until it’s too late! … Insanity has been normalised and it’s madness that our only hope is Donald trump! It won't happen. Just don't worry about it. You might be right, you might also be wrong! Had I told you 3 years ago that we're going to be supplying (and most probably guiding) missiles inside Russian territory you would tell me I’m off my rocker but because of the slow build up you’re not as alarmed as you would have been had it come all at once, this is how most major wars start, they don’t just come out of the blue, there’s a build up and a prologue of events. Sometimes even the protagonists don’t envision wars but when events unfold it’s hard to stop, especially when there’s no channels of dialogue open! |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Nov 22, 2024 10:27:49 GMT
It won't happen. Just don't worry about it. You might be right, you might also be wrong! Had I told you 3 years ago that we're going to be supplying (and most probably guiding) missiles inside Russian territory you would tell me I’m off my rocker but because of the slow build up you’re not as alarmed as you would have been had it come all at once, this is how most major wars start, they don’t just come out of the blue, there’s a build up and a prologue of events. Sometimes even the protagonists don’t envision wars but when events unfold it’s hard to stop, especially when there’s no channels of dialogue open! I’d have had even less concern about it then than I do now. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Nov 22, 2024 10:30:32 GMT
So Russia can bomb Ukrainian Maternity hospitals, but Ukraine shouldn’t be able to use American and British missiles to hit military targets in Russia. Make it make sense. For context: The most widely covered attack was the bombing of the Mariupol maternity hospital. On 23 November 2022, Russian missile strikes destroyed a maternity ward in Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia region, in the town of Vilnyansk, killing a newborn baby. There’s a really bizarre circle of people online who pander to Russia. You’d hate to be in the trenches with them. You can absolutely guarantee they all sit in the centre of a Venn diagram of support for Russia and support for Israel, taking the opposite moral argument on each conflict. Utter creeps. |
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Nov 22, 2024 10:32:29 GMT
So Russia can bomb Ukrainian Maternity hospitals, but Ukraine shouldn’t be able to use American and British missiles to hit military targets in Russia. Make it make sense. For context: The most widely covered attack was the bombing of the Mariupol maternity hospital. On 23 November 2022, Russian missile strikes destroyed a maternity ward in Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia region, in the town of Vilnyansk, killing a newborn baby. There’s a really bizarre circle of people online who pander to Russia. You’d hate to be in the trenches with them. You can absolutely guarantee they all sit in the centre of a Venn diagram of support for Russia and support for Israel, taking the opposite moral argument on each conflict. Utter creeps. Do you think we should be at war with Russia? |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Nov 22, 2024 10:42:27 GMT
There’s a really bizarre circle of people online who pander to Russia. You’d hate to be in the trenches with them. You can absolutely guarantee they all sit in the centre of a Venn diagram of support for Russia and support for Israel, taking the opposite moral argument on each conflict. Utter creeps. Do you think we should be at war with Russia? Do you think we should allow them to invade a sovereign nation on our continent and commit the atrocities that they have for the past 1000+ days? I have absolutely no issue with British manufactured weaponry being used in the conflict, including within Russia. The same as I felt one year ago, two years ago and three years ago. |
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 22, 2024 10:54:50 GMT
It won't happen. Just don't worry about it. You might be right, you might also be wrong! Had I told you 3 years ago that we're going to be supplying (and most probably guiding) missiles inside Russian territory you would tell me I’m off my rocker but because of the slow build up you’re not as alarmed as you would have been had it come all at once, this is how most major wars start, they don’t just come out of the blue, there’s a build up and a prologue of events. Sometimes even the protagonists don’t envision wars but when events unfold it’s hard to stop, especially when there’s no channels of dialogue open! I'd have said from 2014 there is a very good chance UK/US or Western weapons would one day be used in Russia. I didn't think Russia would be as shit as they have proven to be to be honest. It's man power, nothing more nothing less. And a big red button they wouldn't use. They had one chance at the start of this war. Similar to the original Ardennes offensive by Germany that took France in a matter of days. The moment they didn't take Kyiv in days was the moment this war came to a standstill. There is now thousands of miles of fortified trenches, allied with the use of landmines making it nigh impossible to gain extensive yardage. Russia is fucked and it knows it. |
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 22, 2024 10:55:40 GMT
Do you think we should be at war with Russia? Do you think we should allow them to invade a sovereign nation on our continent and commit the atrocities that they have for the past 1000+ days? I have absolutely no issue with British manufactured weaponry being used in the conflict, including within Russia. The same as I felt one year ago, two years ago and three years ago. They use, Iranian, Chinese and North Korean. It's no different. They are scared. Panicking and that's it. The war from their end is technically over. |
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