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Post by emretezzy on Nov 22, 2024 10:58:01 GMT
There’s a really bizarre circle of people online who pander to Russia. You’d hate to be in the trenches with them. You can absolutely guarantee they all sit in the centre of a Venn diagram of support for Russia and support for Israel, taking the opposite moral argument on each conflict. Utter creeps. Do you think we should be at war with Russia? We aren't??? They are using weapons made here, they've got be made somewhere. |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 22, 2024 11:29:34 GMT
Do you think we should be at war with Russia? Do you think we should allow them to invade a sovereign nation on our continent and commit the atrocities that they have for the past 1000+ days? I have absolutely no issue with British manufactured weaponry being used in the conflict, including within Russia. The same as I felt one year ago, two years ago and three years ago. I guess it comes down to whether or not you necessarily believe everything being reported and if you trust our own governments and ally intentions or not? Many of our MPS are calling the ICC an antisemetic Kangaroo court at the moment due to an arrest warrant for a man who has murder significantly more women, children and civillians than Putin has done in much less time. And they've lied for them as they've committed those crimes too. Nobody has invaded or interfered with more soveirgn nations since ww2 than the USA. It's possible to not support Putins crimes while also not blindly following the lead of countries which also have a long history of supporting/committing war crimes too? I'm sorry but sending a load of weapons to Ukraine and forcibly conscripting people to fight Russia and then also pushing through changes in government to make State assets for sale for foreign investment while Republican senators boast about trillions of economic profit from natural resources in Ukraine coming to the west.... isn't being the hero or white Knight for me. That feels more like using Russia as an excuse for your own imperialist goals. I don't trust Zelenskys links to billionaires prior to him being elected. I don't trust that he had a load of offshore assets leaked in the Panama papers before becoming president either. And I don't believe the west has the average Ukranians best interests at heart either too. So no I won't blindy follow our lead when I know so much about our own history. And you don't have to worry about having people like me in the trenches. I'd rather die in prison than fight for the greed of a few. Russiaphobia isn't enough for people like me to support every escalation. And lastly just like Israel this did not start in 2022. I've spent time researching the history and I don't buy everything we are being told. Why do you believe everything when the same people telling you we are doing good here are also excusing the war crimes of Israel and justifying them at the same time? Does that feel like a source you can trust? It doesn't for me. The west has lost that trust through the disdain in which they've treated their own citizens with in recent decades and through their own warmongering and doing the opposite of creating peace. The rich get richer while our NHS and oublic services crumbles and bills go through the roof. Those billionaires you will NEVER see in any trench and those are the same ones who will come out with their pockets filled from this. So fair play if you would go in the trenches for them. I won't and I'm happy with my decision. |
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Post by adri2008 on Nov 22, 2024 12:18:27 GMT
Do you think we should be at war with Russia? We aren't??? They are using weapons made here, they've got be made somewhere. We'll have special forces involved won't we or at the very least intelligence people providing intel on what and where to hit with these missiles. A grey area which is exactly where Putin likes to operate himself of course. Depends where we should draw the line really - assuming Ukraine no longer has the soldiers available to take back it's territory (likely imo) then either NATO commits its own troops or some sort of deal is going to have to be made on current positions. |
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Nov 22, 2024 12:43:24 GMT
Someone somewhere is making a lot of money out this war. $1m per missile!....nice one. Yes they are, the usual ones "Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?". |
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Post by jordan2009 on Nov 22, 2024 12:45:09 GMT
Do you think we should allow them to invade a sovereign nation on our continent and commit the atrocities that they have for the past 1000+ days? I have absolutely no issue with British manufactured weaponry being used in the conflict, including within Russia. The same as I felt one year ago, two years ago and three years ago. I guess it comes down to whether or not you necessarily believe everything being reported and if you trust our own governments and ally intentions or not? Many of our MPS are calling the ICC an antisemetic Kangaroo court at the moment due to an arrest warrant for a man who has murder significantly more women, children and civillians than Putin has done in much less time. And they've lied for them as they've committed those crimes too. Nobody has invaded or interfered with more soveirgn nations since ww2 than the USA. It's possible to not support Putins crimes while also not blindly following the lead of countries which also have a long history of supporting/committing war crimes too? I'm sorry but sending a load of weapons to Ukraine and forcibly conscripting people to fight Russia and then also pushing through changes in government to make State assets for sale for foreign investment while Republican senators boast about trillions of economic profit from natural resources in Ukraine coming to the west.... isn't being the hero or white Knight for me. That feels more like using Russia as an excuse for your own imperialist goals. I don't trust Zelenskys links to billionaires prior to him being elected. I don't trust that he had a load of offshore assets leaked in the Panama papers before becoming president either. And I don't believe the west has the average Ukranians best interests at heart either too. So no I won't blindy follow our lead when I know so much about our own history. And you don't have to worry about having people like me in the trenches. I'd rather die in prison than fight for the greed of a few. Russiaphobia isn't enough for people like me to support every escalation. And lastly just like Israel this did not start in 2022. I've spent time researching the history and I don't buy everything we are being told. Why do you believe everything when the same people telling you we are doing good here are also excusing the war crimes of Israel and justifying them at the same time? Does that feel like a source you can trust? It doesn't for me. The west has lost that trust through the disdain in which they've treated their own citizens with in recent decades and through their own warmongering and doing the opposite of creating peace. The rich get richer while our NHS and oublic services crumbles and bills go through the roof. Those billionaires you will NEVER see in any trench and those are the same ones who will come out with their pockets filled from this. So fair play if you would go in the trenches for them. I won't and I'm happy with my decision. Whilst I agree with almost all that you've said I can't agree with the comment about Benjamin Netanyahu killing more women and children than Putin(in a lesser period of time). What Putin was allowed to get away with in Syria was absolutely disgusting. He virtually destroyed Aleppo and numerous other cities. We should of stood upto Putin then, instead Obama and Cameron(and other leaders shit themselves |
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Post by JudgeMental on Nov 22, 2024 13:04:33 GMT
So Russia can bomb Ukrainian Maternity hospitals, but Ukraine shouldn’t be able to use American and British missiles to hit military targets in Russia. Make it make sense. For context: The most widely covered attack was the bombing of the Mariupol maternity hospital. On 23 November 2022, Russian missile strikes destroyed a maternity ward in Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia region, in the town of Vilnyansk, killing a newborn baby. There’s a really bizarre circle of people online who pander to Russia. You’d hate to be in the trenches with them. You can absolutely guarantee they all sit in the centre of a Venn diagram of support for Russia and support for Israel, taking the opposite moral argument on each conflict. Utter creeps. There's a type of person who (as I like to think of it), "just wants to know who to salute" when there's a power shift looking likely. A bit like the character John Smith in "The Man in the High Tower". |
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Post by lordb on Nov 22, 2024 13:12:06 GMT
I guess it comes down to whether or not you necessarily believe everything being reported and if you trust our own governments and ally intentions or not? Many of our MPS are calling the ICC an antisemetic Kangaroo court at the moment due to an arrest warrant for a man who has murder significantly more women, children and civillians than Putin has done in much less time. And they've lied for them as they've committed those crimes too. Nobody has invaded or interfered with more soveirgn nations since ww2 than the USA. It's possible to not support Putins crimes while also not blindly following the lead of countries which also have a long history of supporting/committing war crimes too? I'm sorry but sending a load of weapons to Ukraine and forcibly conscripting people to fight Russia and then also pushing through changes in government to make State assets for sale for foreign investment while Republican senators boast about trillions of economic profit from natural resources in Ukraine coming to the west.... isn't being the hero or white Knight for me. That feels more like using Russia as an excuse for your own imperialist goals. I don't trust Zelenskys links to billionaires prior to him being elected. I don't trust that he had a load of offshore assets leaked in the Panama papers before becoming president either. And I don't believe the west has the average Ukranians best interests at heart either too. So no I won't blindy follow our lead when I know so much about our own history. And you don't have to worry about having people like me in the trenches. I'd rather die in prison than fight for the greed of a few. Russiaphobia isn't enough for people like me to support every escalation. And lastly just like Israel this did not start in 2022. I've spent time researching the history and I don't buy everything we are being told. Why do you believe everything when the same people telling you we are doing good here are also excusing the war crimes of Israel and justifying them at the same time? Does that feel like a source you can trust? It doesn't for me. The west has lost that trust through the disdain in which they've treated their own citizens with in recent decades and through their own warmongering and doing the opposite of creating peace. The rich get richer while our NHS and oublic services crumbles and bills go through the roof. Those billionaires you will NEVER see in any trench and those are the same ones who will come out with their pockets filled from this. So fair play if you would go in the trenches for them. I won't and I'm happy with my decision. Whilst I agree with almost all that you've said I can't agree with the comment about Benjamin Netanyahu killing more women and children than Putin(in a lesser period of time). What Putin was allowed to get away with in Syria was absolutely disgusting. He virtually destroyed Aleppo and numerous other cities. We should of stood upto Putin then, instead Obama and Cameron(and other leaders shit themselves Obama complete failure re Syria compounded the Wests failure re Georgia Bit like Saddam back in 1990 Putin clearly believed the West woudl take no action whatsoever re invasion of Ukraine |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 22, 2024 13:26:37 GMT
I guess it comes down to whether or not you necessarily believe everything being reported and if you trust our own governments and ally intentions or not? Many of our MPS are calling the ICC an antisemetic Kangaroo court at the moment due to an arrest warrant for a man who has murder significantly more women, children and civillians than Putin has done in much less time. And they've lied for them as they've committed those crimes too. Nobody has invaded or interfered with more soveirgn nations since ww2 than the USA. It's possible to not support Putins crimes while also not blindly following the lead of countries which also have a long history of supporting/committing war crimes too? I'm sorry but sending a load of weapons to Ukraine and forcibly conscripting people to fight Russia and then also pushing through changes in government to make State assets for sale for foreign investment while Republican senators boast about trillions of economic profit from natural resources in Ukraine coming to the west.... isn't being the hero or white Knight for me. That feels more like using Russia as an excuse for your own imperialist goals. I don't trust Zelenskys links to billionaires prior to him being elected. I don't trust that he had a load of offshore assets leaked in the Panama papers before becoming president either. And I don't believe the west has the average Ukranians best interests at heart either too. So no I won't blindy follow our lead when I know so much about our own history. And you don't have to worry about having people like me in the trenches. I'd rather die in prison than fight for the greed of a few. Russiaphobia isn't enough for people like me to support every escalation. And lastly just like Israel this did not start in 2022. I've spent time researching the history and I don't buy everything we are being told. Why do you believe everything when the same people telling you we are doing good here are also excusing the war crimes of Israel and justifying them at the same time? Does that feel like a source you can trust? It doesn't for me. The west has lost that trust through the disdain in which they've treated their own citizens with in recent decades and through their own warmongering and doing the opposite of creating peace. The rich get richer while our NHS and oublic services crumbles and bills go through the roof. Those billionaires you will NEVER see in any trench and those are the same ones who will come out with their pockets filled from this. So fair play if you would go in the trenches for them. I won't and I'm happy with my decision. Whilst I agree with almost all that you've said I can't agree with the comment about Benjamin Netanyahu killing more women and children than Putin(in a lesser period of time). What Putin was allowed to get away with in Syria was absolutely disgusting. He virtually destroyed Aleppo and numerous other cities. We should of stood upto Putin then, instead Obama and Cameron(and other leaders shit themselves Netanyahu is a mass murdering genocidal fuck head You can debate all day wether putin is a bigger or smaller one A single person is one two many there’s certainly no point arguing the toss about a few hundred thousand one way or the other As for Russia and Syria personally I think the West recognised the fuckup with Iraq and Libya And in most cases it’s better to keep a strong fuck head in charge than create a vacuum of power with the chaos that follows |
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Post by Gawa on Nov 22, 2024 13:26:40 GMT
I guess it comes down to whether or not you necessarily believe everything being reported and if you trust our own governments and ally intentions or not? Many of our MPS are calling the ICC an antisemetic Kangaroo court at the moment due to an arrest warrant for a man who has murder significantly more women, children and civillians than Putin has done in much less time. And they've lied for them as they've committed those crimes too. Nobody has invaded or interfered with more soveirgn nations since ww2 than the USA. It's possible to not support Putins crimes while also not blindly following the lead of countries which also have a long history of supporting/committing war crimes too? I'm sorry but sending a load of weapons to Ukraine and forcibly conscripting people to fight Russia and then also pushing through changes in government to make State assets for sale for foreign investment while Republican senators boast about trillions of economic profit from natural resources in Ukraine coming to the west.... isn't being the hero or white Knight for me. That feels more like using Russia as an excuse for your own imperialist goals. I don't trust Zelenskys links to billionaires prior to him being elected. I don't trust that he had a load of offshore assets leaked in the Panama papers before becoming president either. And I don't believe the west has the average Ukranians best interests at heart either too. So no I won't blindy follow our lead when I know so much about our own history. And you don't have to worry about having people like me in the trenches. I'd rather die in prison than fight for the greed of a few. Russiaphobia isn't enough for people like me to support every escalation. And lastly just like Israel this did not start in 2022. I've spent time researching the history and I don't buy everything we are being told. Why do you believe everything when the same people telling you we are doing good here are also excusing the war crimes of Israel and justifying them at the same time? Does that feel like a source you can trust? It doesn't for me. The west has lost that trust through the disdain in which they've treated their own citizens with in recent decades and through their own warmongering and doing the opposite of creating peace. The rich get richer while our NHS and oublic services crumbles and bills go through the roof. Those billionaires you will NEVER see in any trench and those are the same ones who will come out with their pockets filled from this. So fair play if you would go in the trenches for them. I won't and I'm happy with my decision. Whilst I agree with almost all that you've said I can't agree with the comment about Benjamin Netanyahu killing more women and children than Putin(in a lesser period of time). What Putin was allowed to get away with in Syria was absolutely disgusting. He virtually destroyed Aleppo and numerous other cities. We should of stood upto Putin then, instead Obama and Cameron(and other leaders shit themselves I don't know the ins and outs of Syria and I'd need to spend more time researching it to properly comment. I have a vague idea from what I remember being reported to us but the cynic in me feels I want to dig deeper to get a clearer picture of how things started. From what I gather one of the triggers was in 2011 when the US provided political and financial support to opposition groups. And then they later supplied arms and training to this rebel factions too. So similar to what triggered the stuff in Ukraine too in 2014. The common denominator between the two is both presidents had amicable terms with Russia and favoured it over the west. Prior to USA supporting these breakaway groups I believe protests were peaceful. So why were we involved first? Chicken and the egg. Was it because of a deep care for human rights and being anti corruption? Or is it influenced by the president having a good relationship with our enemies as well as Israel having their sights on Golan Heights? ^^^ Most of the above is from me googling now while typing. Of course that is bias to one side, I'm not going to deny that. But I think then it comes down to the whole 3 Truths. Theirs, ours and actual. And I think in our news we probably tend to get "our truth" which has a bias too. What I do think is that Syria is an excellent example of a country where interference hasn't done anybody any good. Had the president been loyal to the west I don't think we (west) would have got involved with supporting rebel groups. Lybia is another country too which was in a much better state before we (west) came in and backed rebel groups. Now look at the state of the place. And then we have the cheek to complain about illegal immigration. I'm sorry but if you keep supporting rebel groups to overthrow governments then that's a by product of it. Given Libyas close proximity to Greece and Italy, I'd suggest that the big increase in channel crossings from asylum seekers is probably correlated to these conflicts too. Again though I agree none of this in anyway excuses Russia or Putins crimes. But you have to also look at our own recent history to ask whether russiaphobia is enough to support everything we are doing and saying here because recent history suggests we've made things worse rather than better the majority of times we get involved. |
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Post by steve66 on Nov 22, 2024 15:26:51 GMT
I don’t know why it’s always uk & usa get involved with these wars with minor support from the rest of the world, is it right or wrong to get involved I don’t really know, would understand more if the other countries gave their full support instead of letting two nations do the running? As for being anti Russia, I dislike the regime,not 99% of the populous, for their incursion onto OUR LAND and poisoning people for whatever reason, the recent one in Salisbury and a few years ago the one in London using the tip of an umbrella spring to mind.
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Post by lordb on Nov 22, 2024 15:28:04 GMT
I don’t know why it’s always uk & usa get involved with these wars with minor support from the rest of the world, is it right or wrong to get involved I don’t really know, would understand more if the other countries gave their full support instead of letting two nations do the running? As for being anti Russia, I dislike the regime,not 99% of the populous, for their incursion onto OUR LAND and poisoning people for whatever reason, the recent one in Salisbury and a few years ago the one in London using the tip of an umbrella spring to mind. think you will found various European nations have backed Ukraine massively |
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Post by steve66 on Nov 22, 2024 16:40:11 GMT
I don’t know why it’s always uk & usa get involved with these wars with minor support from the rest of the world, is it right or wrong to get involved I don’t really know, would understand more if the other countries gave their full support instead of letting two nations do the running? As for being anti Russia, I dislike the regime,not 99% of the populous, for their incursion onto OUR LAND and poisoning people for whatever reason, the recent one in Salisbury and a few years ago the one in London using the tip of an umbrella spring to mind. think you will found various European nations have backed Ukraine massively Think I covered that in my post by saying the uk/USA do most of the running but would like other nations have FULL support not sit back being partial help |
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Nov 22, 2024 17:02:57 GMT
Do you think we should be at war with Russia? Do you think we should allow them to invade a sovereign nation on our continent and commit the atrocities that they have for the past 1000+ days? I have absolutely no issue with British manufactured weaponry being used in the conflict, including within Russia. The same as I felt one year ago, two years ago and three years ago. What I think we should have done is at least attempt diplomacy in the months leading up to the initial invasion, where we had nothing but hysterical statements from London and Washington and no desire to prevent a war. Another poster mentioned that after Kiev was initially defended, the outcome was somewhat resolved. I think at that point both sides would have found it almost impossible to achieve all of their goals and this would have also been a reasonable time to end the fighting. At both of those points and especially at the first, Ukraine would have gotten a better deal than now, to say nothing of all the lives saved. Maybe if Ukraine had been sent everything they asked for straight away, they could have had a very successful counter offensive, but that didn't happen. Our policy there has been a disaster. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Nov 22, 2024 17:29:51 GMT
Putin saying no other country has a weapon like the oreshnik missile?
Why is this?
Surely UK, US, Germany etc have similar weapons?
What’s the differentiating characteristics of this weapon?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 22, 2024 17:42:02 GMT
Putin saying no other country has a weapon like the oreshnik missile? Why is this? Surely UK, US, Germany etc have similar weapons? What’s the differentiating characteristics of this weapon? Its dead fast so anti missile systems can't stop it apparently 🤷♂️ |
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Post by steve66 on Nov 22, 2024 17:46:44 GMT
Do you think we should allow them to invade a sovereign nation on our continent and commit the atrocities that they have for the past 1000+ days? I have absolutely no issue with British manufactured weaponry being used in the conflict, including within Russia. The same as I felt one year ago, two years ago and three years ago. What I think we should have done is at least attempt diplomacy in the months leading up to the initial invasion, where we had nothing but hysterical statements from London and Washington and no desire to prevent a war. Another poster mentioned that after Kiev was initially defended, the outcome was somewhat resolved. I think at that point both sides would have found it almost impossible to achieve all of their goals and this would have also been a reasonable time to end the fighting. At both of those points and especially at the first, Ukraine would have gotten a better deal than now, to say nothing of all the lives saved. Maybe if Ukraine had been sent everything they asked for straight away, they could have had a very successful counter offensive, but that didn't happen. Our policy there has been a disaster. But Putin was saying up to the invasion that they (Russia) only doing training exercises, thus a lying twat from the off to the present day |
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Post by hcstokie on Nov 22, 2024 17:55:35 GMT
Putin saying no other country has a weapon like the oreshnik missile? Why is this? Surely UK, US, Germany etc have similar weapons? What’s the differentiating characteristics of this weapon? You have to remember this is coming from the same guy who claimed the T90 was the best tank in the world, his hypersonic missiles couldn’t be shot down, etc. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Nov 22, 2024 17:56:09 GMT
Putin saying no other country has a weapon like the oreshnik missile? Why is this? Surely UK, US, Germany etc have similar weapons? What’s the differentiating characteristics of this weapon? Supposedly, the US has a missile capable of achieving Mach 20-Mach 23 speeds. I’m not sure if it is available as a non-nuclear warhead. |
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Post by hcstokie on Nov 22, 2024 18:21:03 GMT
What I think we should have done is at least attempt diplomacy in the months leading up to the initial invasion, where we had nothing but hysterical statements from London and Washington and no desire to prevent a war. Another poster mentioned that after Kiev was initially defended, the outcome was somewhat resolved. I think at that point both sides would have found it almost impossible to achieve all of their goals and this would have also been a reasonable time to end the fighting. At both of those points and especially at the first, Ukraine would have gotten a better deal than now, to say nothing of all the lives saved. Maybe if Ukraine had been sent everything they asked for straight away, they could have had a very successful counter offensive, but that didn't happen. Our policy there has been a disaster. But Putin was saying up to the invasion that they (Russia) only doing training exercises, thus a lying twat from the off to the present day Indeed. I said it at the time and have said it repeatedly during the last 3 years, the way to have avoided this war was for Ukraine to have invited thousands of NATO troops to take part in a ‘training exercise’ along their border. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 22, 2024 22:24:27 GMT
The russian rouble weakened a fair bit today. It's now 104.3 per dollar, a month ago it was about 95.9.
Russian news says they've been selling yuan and gold to keep the rouble strong, plus the interest rate is 21% which would normally also make the rouble stronger...
Russia is dealing with inflation, increasing debt, they sold off most of the National Wealth Fund gold+money now etc. The financial problems look like they're seriously ramping up so Russia looks fucked unless something big happens. They want western surrender so they can conquer Ukraine more cheaply.
The number of financial games they've been playing to keep things looking strong makes Enron look like a stable idea!
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 22, 2024 22:32:23 GMT
Putin saying no other country has a weapon like the oreshnik missile? Why is this? Surely UK, US, Germany etc have similar weapons? What’s the differentiating characteristics of this weapon? Putin also said: "T-90 is the best tank in the world without any exaggeration. Our tankmen and the adversary recognize it as the best in the world," Not sure about the full details of the missile, I haven't read enough yet. I just wouldn't trust Putin without factchecking him first. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 23, 2024 0:45:52 GMT
Do you think we should allow them to invade a sovereign nation on our continent and commit the atrocities that they have for the past 1000+ days? I have absolutely no issue with British manufactured weaponry being used in the conflict, including within Russia. The same as I felt one year ago, two years ago and three years ago. What I think we should have done is at least attempt diplomacy in the months leading up to the initial invasion, where we had nothing but hysterical statements from London and Washington and no desire to prevent a war. Another poster mentioned that after Kiev was initially defended, the outcome was somewhat resolved. I think at that point both sides would have found it almost impossible to achieve all of their goals and this would have also been a reasonable time to end the fighting. At both of those points and especially at the first, Ukraine would have gotten a better deal than now, to say nothing of all the lives saved. Maybe if Ukraine had been sent everything they asked for straight away, they could have had a very successful counter offensive, but that didn't happen. Our policy there has been a disaster. We did, didn't we? Only we sent Liz Truss over there, which didnt seem to go down well. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sergei-lavrov-liz-truss-russia-ukraine-b2012528.html |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 23, 2024 1:21:50 GMT
Potentially some of the worst news from the front in ages. The eastern "anchor" of Ukraine's southern defensive line is in danger thanks to problems to the east. Thread here. I've tried to say for at least a year that I think the decisive thing is how many losses each side is taking versus how much they can recruit and equip. Things break when you run out of reserves, and what we're now seeing looks very bad. Does Ukraine have the reserves to stop it? I'm more worried about this situation than I remember being about Avdiivka or Kursk or lots of other things. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 23, 2024 1:26:37 GMT
"More than half of Russians for the first time since the beginning of the war called for negotiations with Ukraine" - Moscow Times. Maybe because eggs and butter went up in price. Russia's financial buffers are almost burned up - which is why Putin wants the West to surrender Putin to cheap (for Russia) conquest and mass slaughter. |
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Post by musik on Nov 23, 2024 1:27:19 GMT
Putin also said: "T-90 is the best tank in the world without any exaggeration. Our tankmen and the adversary recognize it as the best in the world," Best on doing what? |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 23, 2024 8:56:28 GMT
Putin also said: "T-90 is the best tank in the world without any exaggeration. Our tankmen and the adversary recognize it as the best in the world," Best on doing what? Getting shot |
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Post by chigstoke on Nov 23, 2024 9:38:06 GMT
Putin saying no other country has a weapon like the oreshnik missile? Why is this? Surely UK, US, Germany etc have similar weapons? What’s the differentiating characteristics of this weapon? Supposedly, the US has a missile capable of achieving Mach 20-Mach 23 speeds. I’m not sure if it is available as a non-nuclear warhead. It was the AGM-183, but it got cancelled and no further funding. But given how valuable the test result data is from Hypersonic launches, they’ll obviously have something else planned. The thought of a Mach 20 missile is fucking terrifying when the Oreshnik is already at Mach 10 speeds. |
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Post by musik on Nov 23, 2024 11:56:50 GMT
Okay. I thought maybe he meant, breaking the fifth commandment. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 23, 2024 12:08:27 GMT
"More than half of Russians for the first time since the beginning of the war called for negotiations with Ukraine" - Moscow Times. Maybe because eggs and butter went up in price. Russia's financial buffers are almost burned up - which is why Putin wants the West to surrender Putin to cheap (for Russia) conquest and mass slaughter. Given they weren't under any sort of attack for ages then all of a sudden they start getting attacked more and Ukraine taking some land capturing some Russians in the process they probably think they aren't doing as well as they are being told. Russia control the media and starving the people of the facts so maybe word of mouth is causing a bit of fear |
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Post by lordb on Nov 23, 2024 12:22:51 GMT
think you will found various European nations have backed Ukraine massively Think I covered that in my post by saying the uk/USA do most of the running but would like other nations have FULL support not sit back being partial help Don't UK is providing more support than other European nations is it? |
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