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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 26, 2021 6:27:23 GMT
Are Mrcoke and BJR the same person? Very similar use of terminology and alternating posting times. No. That's thehartshillbadger. 🤔
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 26, 2021 6:30:37 GMT
No. That's thehartshillbadger. 🤔 Morning badge , I’m just off to Reading
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 26, 2021 7:26:43 GMT
Morning badge , I’m just off to Reading Tesco? Don’t be late they’ll sin bin you.
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 26, 2021 7:50:59 GMT
U.K. troops to patrol french beaches , whatever next If only it could happen, but it never will due to French pride and embarrassment. We would see a massive reduction in crossings if UK forces were there rather than the bungling, wilfully ignorant Inspector Clouseau types currently wandering around on the French beaches.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 26, 2021 9:46:12 GMT
U.K. troops to patrol french beaches , whatever next We could have a defensive line against refugees/immigrants along the French border and call it the "Jeanson Line" instead of Maginot. It would be appropriate in Normandy as Johnson has Viking roots. Another idea comes to me from land gifted to the USA at Runnymede*, which was done to commemorate one of the most iconic leaders of the “Land of Liberty,” John F. Kennedy. Magna Carta marked the beginning or first step towards democracy. The refugees come because under international law once they arrive, the UK has a duty of care to look after them. But the problem is they have to step foot on British soil for the UK to honour that obligation. If France was to cede some land in France to the UK which if the refugees reached would be classified as having reached the UK then we could give them safe passage over the Channel or refuse entry if they were not genuine refugees. The question is where should these British refugee centres in France be? Calais is an obvious possibility and like Runnymede it has royal connections being "on the heart" of Mary I. Other possibilities are Dunkirk since the refugees are trying to get out of France^. Then there is Normandy to commemorate the landings to liberate France and we are liberating the refugees. Agincourt and Crecy also come to mind. Maybe that is a bit unfair on the French. There I go being xenophobic again. Orleans may be a better choice to commemorate Joan of Arc who liberated France from the English and we are liberating the refugees. just a few thoughts. ^ www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53699511* www.atlasobscura.com/places/the-jfk-memorial-at-runnymede
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 26, 2021 9:50:42 GMT
U.K. troops to patrol french beaches , whatever next If only it could happen, but it never will due to French pride and embarrassment. We would see a massive reduction in crossings if UK forces were there rather than the bungling, wilfully ignorant Inspector Clouseau types currently wandering around on the French beaches. Troops is a bit of a red herring some former admiral or something was on talk radio yesterday said the beaches could be patrolled by drones who then direct the french police to stop the boats it still doesnt solve the problem of how the people there are dealt with.
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Post by Northy on Nov 26, 2021 12:33:44 GMT
Lots of them aren't from war torn countries are they? It's been stated by numerous people on this thread more than once that they're economic migrants as well as asylum seekers. When the questions get more pointed this tends to disappear from the response. Yes, I mentioned a few days ago about 1 guy who was interviewed, from Kazakhstan, he had sold his house there to get to here
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Post by OldStokie on Nov 26, 2021 13:04:18 GMT
*Sarcastic comment so don't anyone take it seriously. Mind you, I'm surprised Patel and Johnson haven't taken this option seriously.*
Perhaps we should accept them all and, like Australia does, send them to an out-of-the-place island to be processed instead of sending them to Albania at ÂŁ100,000 a throw. The Falkland Islands springs to mind. (Maggie loved the place. It won her an election.) I'm sure members of our armed forces who were there will give them the rundown of the fine accommodation and lovely sea views to be found in and around Goose Green, not to mention the ready supply of mutton and amazing sea food.
OS.
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 26, 2021 15:24:03 GMT
Morning badge , I’m just off to Reading Tesco? Don’t be late they’ll sin bin you. No actually a church and I’m not kidding
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 29, 2021 11:03:37 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 29, 2021 11:55:17 GMT
Great idea that setting up a processing centre near Calais When we turn down eighty odd per cent as the economic migrants they are They can quickly piss off down to the beach and catch the next available dinghy
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 29, 2021 12:20:24 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 29, 2021 12:56:20 GMT
Great idea that setting up a processing centre near Calais When we turn down eighty odd per cent as the economic migrants they are They can quickly piss off down to the beach and catch the next available dinghy Nice idea, unfortunately for it, most of the migrants who make it to the UK have their asylum claims accepted, which would indicate that 80% of them are not in fact economic migrants (unless of course the Home Office is a nice welcoming environment these days since Theresa May left, but I'm guessing not, by and large!). Some additional facts and figures which help to put the UK response into perspective... www.unhcr.org/uk/asylum-in-the-uk.html
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 29, 2021 15:17:14 GMT
Great idea that setting up a processing centre near Calais When we turn down eighty odd per cent as the economic migrants they are They can quickly piss off down to the beach and catch the next available dinghy Nice idea, unfortunately for it, most of the migrants who make it to the UK have their asylum claims accepted, which would indicate that 80% of them are not in fact economic migrants (unless of course the Home Office is a nice welcoming environment these days since Theresa May left, but I'm guessing not, by and large!). Some additional facts and figures which help to put the UK response into perspective... www.unhcr.org/uk/asylum-in-the-uk.htmlIt appears we are in full agreement. As I posted yesterday, we should have a processing centre near Calais that should be deemed to be part of the UK. We could call it "The Heart of Queen Mary I". Unfortunately it is not just some Oatcake posters think most of these people are economic migrants. The French authorities do as well and think the UK should introduce ID cards and have checks on employees legality. www.politico.eu/article/clement-beaune-france-uk-quasi-modern-slavery-channel-migration-crisis/Being an island we are more fortunate than mainland Europe in having a natural barrier to immigrants/refugees and received a lot fewer. The difference though is when they arrive in the UK very few are refused entry and returned. So the Home Office is actually relatively "welcoming". Unlike France where the vast majority of applications are refused. Granted the French get a lot more than the UK, but Sudan is the only country where just over half the refugees/immigrants are granted refuge in France. Consequently in the refugees minds they have a far greater chance of getting accepted by the UK authorities, getting integrated into society, and getting a job, than they have in other countries, some of whom are overwhelmed by refugees. Personally as I have said repeatedly I believe we should welcome them. As Haile Selassi once said, "I t is us today, tomorrow it will be you."
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 29, 2021 15:18:34 GMT
Ironically, when the UK was in the EU we could have returned them. Now, we can't.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 29, 2021 15:19:18 GMT
Horrific and not funny in the slightest.
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 29, 2021 15:25:26 GMT
Horrific and not funny in the slightest. Take a few in then if you think it’s horrific Do your bit
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 30, 2021 11:39:02 GMT
What the fuck is wrong with people?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 30, 2021 13:51:49 GMT
What the fuck is wrong with people? Dehumanisation of outgroups leads to this kind of behaviour. It's a fairly standard approach to creating an enemy and hardly new. Not all that surprising a response from people who probably don't think much more than they're not "us" and we don't want them here, especially if you have several newspapers banging on about migrant swarms, the migrant crisis, criminal gangs etc and some politicians pandering to such language to try to look tough.
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Post by phileetin on Nov 30, 2021 14:21:43 GMT
What the fuck is wrong with people? Dehumanisation of outgroups leads to this kind of behaviour. It's a fairly standard approach to creating an enemy and hardly new. Not all that surprising a response from people who probably don't think much more than they're not "us" and we don't want them here, especially if you have several newspapers banging on about migrant swarms, the migrant crisis, criminal gangs etc and some politicians pandering to such language to try to look tough.
do you ever wonder why the red wall is now blue ?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 30, 2021 16:24:34 GMT
Dehumanisation of outgroups leads to this kind of behaviour. It's a fairly standard approach to creating an enemy and hardly new. Not all that surprising a response from people who probably don't think much more than they're not "us" and we don't want them here, especially if you have several newspapers banging on about migrant swarms, the migrant crisis, criminal gangs etc and some politicians pandering to such language to try to look tough.
do you ever wonder why the red wall is now blue ?
No. I'm well aware we are living through a thoroughly unpleasant outbreak of populism which, as history proves time and time again, routinely proceeds down the route of dehumanising certain sections of society, usually by way of deflecting attention away from the real issues which affect ordinary people on a day to day basis and which are very unlikely to be fixed by those using these kind of tactics. It rarely ends well, and often least of all for those people who thought it a good idea/voted for it. But it's also very pernicious and sways the easily swayed.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 30, 2021 16:29:09 GMT
Dehumanisation of outgroups leads to this kind of behaviour. It's a fairly standard approach to creating an enemy and hardly new. Not all that surprising a response from people who probably don't think much more than they're not "us" and we don't want them here, especially if you have several newspapers banging on about migrant swarms, the migrant crisis, criminal gangs etc and some politicians pandering to such language to try to look tough. do you ever wonder why the red wall is now blue ? No wondering at all. They've made good working class people turn against each other in a way I never thought could happen in this country.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 30, 2021 16:29:52 GMT
Horrific and not funny in the slightest. Take a few in then if you think it’s horrific Do your bit Stop deflecting and apologise, disgusting post.
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 30, 2021 16:39:18 GMT
No. That's thehartshillbadger. Oh. I thought Hartshill was the same as Eggybread. ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/vEIFeJPtIIq1awrUd6zP.gif)
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Post by Northy on Nov 30, 2021 21:34:48 GMT
What the fuck is wrong with people? Dehumanisation of outgroups leads to this kind of behaviour. It's a fairly standard approach to creating an enemy and hardly new. Not all that surprising a response from people who probably don't think much more than they're not "us" and we don't want them here, especially if you have several newspapers banging on about migrant swarms, the migrant crisis, criminal gangs etc and some politicians pandering to such language to try to look tough. Maybe they don't want people who don't respect the views of the countries they want to come to or are taken in by. Sweden, most convicted rapes are by foreigners www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45269764
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 30, 2021 22:20:12 GMT
Dehumanisation of outgroups leads to this kind of behaviour. It's a fairly standard approach to creating an enemy and hardly new. Not all that surprising a response from people who probably don't think much more than they're not "us" and we don't want them here, especially if you have several newspapers banging on about migrant swarms, the migrant crisis, criminal gangs etc and some politicians pandering to such language to try to look tough. Maybe they don't want people who don't respect the views of the countries they want to come to or are taken in by. Sweden, most convicted rapes are by foreigners www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45269764So don’t rescue drowning human beings in the Channel because of Swedish rape statistics? Odd take…..
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 30, 2021 22:36:11 GMT
Everything possible should be done to prevent these desperate people from putting themselves at great risk and to deter the people smugglers. We have only just had the tragedy of the loss of 27 lives. Perhaps the French equivalent of the RNLI, the SNSM, should ' rescue ' them in French waters, near the beginning of the perilous journey, and take them back to France....because the first part of the journey is equally as dangerous as when they get into British waters. If this was done, on a consistent basis, perhaps those involved would think the risk to be pointless.
If they did reach UK waters perhaps they should be handed over to the French rescuers, the reverse of what was happening and still may be happening ( ie the French were handing them to the Btitish).
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Post by meltonjohn on Nov 30, 2021 23:16:27 GMT
Let me get this right, the fish are ours but the migrants should be French? Mm….
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Post by meltonjohn on Nov 30, 2021 23:18:12 GMT
Dehumanisation of outgroups leads to this kind of behaviour. It's a fairly standard approach to creating an enemy and hardly new. Not all that surprising a response from people who probably don't think much more than they're not "us" and we don't want them here, especially if you have several newspapers banging on about migrant swarms, the migrant crisis, criminal gangs etc and some politicians pandering to such language to try to look tough. do you ever wonder why the red wall is now blue ? Well the electorate always get the Government they deserve and by electing an idiot to power they have ensured they are well represented…..
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Post by meltonjohn on Nov 30, 2021 23:25:46 GMT
And yet for most people controlling immigration was a massive driver behind voting to Leave the EU ![(lol)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/lvpvZ64EmrkLcuVniUmo.gif)  Five years on and the figures are higher than they were five years before the vote! Just shows what a lot of nonsense that was! Hang on, I thought massive job vacancies were a good sign? Likewise, I don't have a particular problem with immigration and agree that we're all essentially a mix of Germans/Danes/Dutch/Italians/French etc if you think about it. People say migrants are a drain on society and our infrastructure but most analyses show that they are net contributors to the economy, which suggests it's what the government then decides to do with that net contribution that is more of the problem, not necessarily the migrants themselves. At least we agree on immigration. If people voted leave for the "wrong reason", that suits me. Massive job vacancies is good for my young relatives graduating from Oxford and Durham in the next couple of years. Good for low paid. Good for Britain in the long term as it will drive automation, robotics, and more labour efficient business and improve our relatively poor productivity compared with a lot of countries. The better off people are the more government will raise in taxes for welfare etc. Personally I expect immigration will continue at a high level. Aside from needing people in NHS etc., hospitality, etc. which cannot be automated, we also need scientist, researchers, engineers, etc. The government makes announcements like £98 billion investment in rail, green technology, etc but we don't have enough people to deliver it. I expect immigration from Hong Kong into London financial services, and a steady flow of craftsmen from Eastern Europe despite Brexit. The government will be forced to issue temporary visas for more occupations in short supply like drivers and butchers, and reduce the threshold of terms for settlement. In the long term I expect higher immigration from India and other countries further east. I think the refugee issue will get worse not better driven by climate change as well as political unrest. Huge populations in island countries will be driven out by rising sea level, and bad weather. Trouble is Brexit has ensured that jobs across Europe will be scarce for qualified graduates and most of the job vacancies will be for lower paid work which immigrants have undertaken historically. Immigrants tend to have younger families and our population is ageing and will become even more disproportionate with fewer younger workers. This makes for an unhealthy economy (and population) in the long term as the tax burden will increase in order to support older people.
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