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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 13, 2021 8:13:14 GMT
1185 Migrants crossed the Channel yesterday which is a record for a day , how many more hundreds of millions do we keep giving to the French for them to keep up their end of the agreement
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 13, 2021 8:22:30 GMT
Although they would never agree to it, we should ask the French if we can send our resources into their waters and patrol the French coast for them. We seem really good at intercepting immigrants in UK waters, just think how many we could intercept just off the French coast. We could save lots of lives and return them safely back to France. Of course though, the return to France is not something the French want to see and their inactivity serves a a useful stick to hit the UK with so it’s a win win for them to carry on doing nothing.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 13, 2021 8:30:46 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 13, 2021 8:39:55 GMT
Let’s hope they offered the local homeless the same deal |
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 13, 2021 10:57:59 GMT
So much for us taking control of our borders.  |
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Nov 13, 2021 12:54:50 GMT
It is obvious that the government has done a deal on this
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Post by 4372 on Nov 13, 2021 14:00:36 GMT
I am sure that everybody agrees and is happy that the refugees arrived safely after their dangerous crossing. There was a good article in the Guardian yesterday about how it has become more difficult to return refugees to EU countries now that the UK has left the EU. Quelle dommage!
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Post by zerps on Nov 13, 2021 14:39:51 GMT
Are they doing a 2 and 8 day pcr test on arrival?
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 13, 2021 19:47:18 GMT
I am sure that everybody agrees and is happy that the refugees arrived safely after their dangerous crossing. There was a good article in the Guardian yesterday about how it has become more difficult to return refugees to EU countries now that the UK has left the EU. Quelle dommage! I think they said two had drowned which is the ultimate sacrifice, the channel was calm yesterday so the others were lucky , the ppl who make the money out of it pack double the capacity in these dinghies and sooner or later we will see a large number of deaths |
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Post by 4372 on Nov 13, 2021 20:49:47 GMT
I have seen no reports of deaths in the last day or two, but that may be because I am not following the news too closely. There definitely were deaths last week and last month, a tragic way for any life to end. R.I.P. to all concerned.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 13, 2021 21:58:45 GMT
Cool, they might be able to fill the one million vacancies no one wants……
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 14, 2021 9:12:05 GMT
Our intake of refugees and asylum seekers is a drop in the ocean compared to many other countries. UNHCR estimate that currently there are 84 million displaced people around the world. It will surprise many that Pakistan, Iran and Germany lead the list for Iraq refugees. Many European countries take in far more than U.K. I think the battle is not to prevent genuine refugees and asylum seekers but to look at more humane methods rather than lining the pockets of the illegal exporters of human traffic.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 14, 2021 9:25:27 GMT
Our intake of refugees and asylum seekers is a drop in the ocean compared to many other countries. UNHCR estimate that currently there are 84 million displaced people around the world. It will surprise many that Pakistan, Iran and Germany lead the list for Iraq refugees. Many European countries take in far more than U.K. I think the battle is not to prevent genuine refugees and asylum seekers but to look at more humane methods rather than lining the pockets of the illegal exporters of human traffic.  |
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Post by stillgame4it on Nov 14, 2021 20:56:18 GMT
The French don't seem to have a problem spotting a fishing boat from Britain scooping up a few scallops 10ft over the "line", but they can't seem to spot an armada of migrant boats launching from their beaches every day!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 14, 2021 22:01:19 GMT
Our intake of refugees and asylum seekers is a drop in the ocean compared to many other countries. UNHCR estimate that currently there are 84 million displaced people around the world. It will surprise many that Pakistan, Iran and Germany lead the list for Iraq refugees. Many European countries take in far more than U.K. I think the battle is not to prevent genuine refugees and asylum seekers but to look at more humane methods rather than lining the pockets of the illegal exporters of human traffic. I think the biggest issue isn’t that the asylum seekers are coming in but that we don’t seem to know their history. This is a huge issue. I’m sure that the majority are decent people but that small minority of bad eggs who are linked to the Taliban or other groups could cause one hell of a problem in relation to terrorism. Even those that come in with no intention to cause harm if suffering from mental health are very vulnerable to being exploited by extremists. There current mode of transport is such a bad one as there’s just no way of recording who they are. Even if only 1 in 200 that come in have links to terrorism that’s potentially going to be a huge risk to national security. That’s why they simply have to be checked properly and not be allowed to just disappear into the system. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 14, 2021 23:56:58 GMT
Our intake of refugees and asylum seekers is a drop in the ocean compared to many other countries. UNHCR estimate that currently there are 84 million displaced people around the world. It will surprise many that Pakistan, Iran and Germany lead the list for Iraq refugees. Many European countries take in far more than U.K. I think the battle is not to prevent genuine refugees and asylum seekers but to look at more humane methods rather than lining the pockets of the illegal exporters of human traffic. And I think most would agree we want a fair and quick way to process applications. Either let them in or send them back, but do it fairly and with as little faffing about as possible. |
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Post by thevoid on Nov 15, 2021 6:35:21 GMT
The French don't seem to have a problem spotting a fishing boat from Britain scooping up a few scallops 10ft over the "line", but they can't seem to spot an armada of migrant boats launching from their beaches every day! Yeah, strange isn't it? |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 15, 2021 7:07:39 GMT
Our intake of refugees and asylum seekers is a drop in the ocean compared to many other countries. UNHCR estimate that currently there are 84 million displaced people around the world. It will surprise many that Pakistan, Iran and Germany lead the list for Iraq refugees. Many European countries take in far more than U.K. I think the battle is not to prevent genuine refugees and asylum seekers but to look at more humane methods rather than lining the pockets of the illegal exporters of human traffic. Is it possible to implement more humane methods though? Isn’t the fear of rejection why they cross the channel in the way they do. That’s why the majority that come over on the boats are young males rather than families. Families and children are the ones that need supporting first. My fear is that if we helped those most needy settle in a more official way and that they were registered and checked properly you’d still have the young males coming over on boats as they’d know they’re likely to be checked and refused assylum if they arrived by more legitimate means. |
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Post by andystokey on Nov 15, 2021 8:29:38 GMT
1185 Migrants crossed the Channel yesterday which is a record for a day , how many more hundreds of millions do we keep giving to the French for them to keep up their end of the agreement As of the 10th Oct the UK hadn't paid the French one penny of the £54m touted by Priti Patel. The politics at play to appeal to a particular UK audience is pretty shoddy. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/france-uk-migrant-crossing-b1935623.html |
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 15, 2021 8:48:27 GMT
1185 Migrants crossed the Channel yesterday which is a record for a day , how many more hundreds of millions do we keep giving to the French for them to keep up their end of the agreement As of the 10th Oct the UK hadn't paid the French one penny of the £54m touted by Priti Patel. The politics at play to appeal to a particular UK audience is pretty shoddy. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/france-uk-migrant-crossing-b1935623.htmlThat’s great news then but is that why the french let them cross on mass |
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Post by andystokey on Nov 15, 2021 8:56:51 GMT
That’s great news then but is that why the french let them cross on mass How much effort do you think the UK would make if the boot was on the other foot ? |
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 15, 2021 10:33:57 GMT
That’s great news then but is that why the french let them cross on mass How much effort do you think the UK would make if the boot was on the other foot ? Not sure tbh as obviously no one wants to leave the U.K. like they do a war torn Dangerous France 😉 |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 15, 2021 15:32:01 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 16, 2021 13:54:09 GMT
Get the gunboats out !!  |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 16, 2021 14:59:53 GMT
Our intake of refugees and asylum seekers is a drop in the ocean compared to many other countries. UNHCR estimate that currently there are 84 million displaced people around the world. It will surprise many that Pakistan, Iran and Germany lead the list for Iraq refugees. Many European countries take in far more than U.K. I think the battle is not to prevent genuine refugees and asylum seekers but to look at more humane methods rather than lining the pockets of the illegal exporters of human traffic. This is all very true, it needs a two step solution first need to break the business model of people paying £8k each to get to the UK, to do that instead of people getting put on a bus to a hotel, you put them on a boat that goes straight back to France until the message gets across that you will not be permitted to stay, then we need to find a way of taking those in real need from France and / or directly from troubled areas and that will probably involve taking more people than come via boat. |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 16, 2021 15:52:05 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 16, 2021 16:03:51 GMT
Have we actually paid them any of that £54m yet? |
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Post by franklin on Nov 16, 2021 16:34:04 GMT
I agree we don't we should make it clear they will be deported not back to France but back to their home country wherever that is. Unfortunately we are unable to do that because its against their human rights or whatever. |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 16, 2021 23:17:59 GMT
I agree we don't we should make it clear they will be deported not back to France but back to their home country wherever that is. Unfortunately we are unable to do that because its against their human rights or whatever. Really interesting discussion on LBC with an lawyer, the asylum seekers destroy their papers so they can't be returned, most claim to be Syrian and while you can disprove this claim through asking questions about the town / country they claim to be born in they can't be returned as the home office don't know which country, those that can be identified they attempt to return but almost always last minute claims to try and frustrate this |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 16, 2021 23:27:42 GMT
I agree we don't we should make it clear they will be deported not back to France but back to their home country wherever that is. Unfortunately we are unable to do that because its against their human rights or whatever. Really interesting discussion on LBC with an lawyer, the asylum seekers destroy their papers so they can't be returned, most claim to be Syrian and while you can disprove this claim through asking questions about the town / country they claim to be born in they can't be returned as the home office don't know which country, those that can be identified they attempt to return but almost always last minute claims to try and frustrate this There’s plenty of scams being used lying about their age being another one. |
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