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Post by maxplonk on Aug 8, 2022 15:51:30 GMT
Forage complaining about people being mislead! Oh, the irony. ๐คฆ
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Post by andystokey on Aug 10, 2022 7:40:32 GMT
Just reading about this young man from Afghanistan. "They explained that Adnan travelled from Afghanistan to Calais by foot, boat, truck and car, after fleeing from the Taliban.
In Calais he hid in an empty lorry and found his way to Preston. When he arrived here, he cut himself out of the lorry and handed himself in to the police.
He has just received asylum status, can speak English and read and write in English but can't in Afghan. I'm proud to think my country can offer this young man a life and a future. www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/20515589.afghan-refugee-adnan-bowls-freddie-flintoff-field-dreams-series/
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Post by Hereward the Wake แแแแฒแ on Aug 10, 2022 7:51:25 GMT
Just reading about this young man from Afghanistan. "They explained that Adnan travelled from Afghanistan to Calais by foot, boat, truck and car, after fleeing from the Taliban.
In Calais he hid in an empty lorry and found his way to Preston. When he arrived here, he cut himself out of the lorry and handed himself in to the police.
He has just received asylum status, can speak English and read and write in English but can't in Afghan. I'm proud to think my country can offer this young man a life and a future. www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/20515589.afghan-refugee-adnan-bowls-freddie-flintoff-field-dreams-series/Fair play to the lad, sounds like a mad journey and the fact he handed himself in says it all really regarding his personal circumstances.
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Post by redstriper on Aug 10, 2022 8:05:38 GMT
I can never understand why people get so upset about a group of highly motivated, physically fit, determined individuals who want to make a life here arriving by boat. That's how nations were founded.
Meantime, given far less prominence in the media, we take in a quarter of a million per year who fly in, many of whom will never work in our economy, will be supported by the state and their relatives already here, and will take up a disproportionate amount of our NHS time whilst contributing nothing.
The difference ?... the latter group are "legal", the former are not.
So as with most of the problems the country faces, 40 years of weak, inept, populist policies by careerist politicians are largely to blame. A client of mine provides accommodation for many "illegals" on behalf of the government, they are desperate to be allowed to work, but the law won't let them.
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Post by Hereward the Wake แแแแฒแ on Aug 10, 2022 8:11:33 GMT
I can never understand why people get so upset about a group of highly motivated, physically fit, determined individuals who want to make a life here arriving by boat. That's how nations were founded. Meantime, given far less prominence in the media, we take in a quarter of a million per year who fly in, many of whom will never work in our economy, will be supported by the state and their relatives already here, and will take up a disproportionate amount of our NHS time whilst contributing nothing. The difference ?... the latter group are "legal", the former are not. So as with most of the problems the country faces, 40 years of weak, inept, populist policies by careerist politicians are largely to blame. A client of mine provides accommodation for many "illegals" on behalf of the government, they are desperate to be allowed to work, but the law won't let them. Like everything mate it isn't black and white. Not all of them are "physically fit determined individuals" , some of them have bad intentions and some of them are scroungers and some of them are anti West. Not all of them, but they're human beings and amongst humans beings you are going to have a mix of good and bad, just because they aren't white that doesn't mean they're all good. Most people don't have an issue with genuine asylum seekers. What the average working class Brit has a problem with is seeing others being given hand outs when they themselves are struggling to make ends meet . The misplaced anger and resentment then gets directed towards the asylum seekers when the real anger and resentment should be directed at the politicians.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 10, 2022 9:00:14 GMT
I can never understand why people get so upset about a group of highly motivated, physically fit, determined individuals who want to make a life here arriving by boat. That's how nations were founded. Meantime, given far less prominence in the media, we take in a quarter of a million per year who fly in, many of whom will never work in our economy, will be supported by the state and their relatives already here, and will take up a disproportionate amount of our NHS time whilst contributing nothing. The difference ?... the latter group are "legal", the former are not. So as with most of the problems the country faces, 40 years of weak, inept, populist policies by careerist politicians are largely to blame. A client of mine provides accommodation for many "illegals" on behalf of the government, they are desperate to be allowed to work, but the law won't let them. Like everything mate it isn't black and white. Not all of them are "physically fit determined individuals" , some of them have bad intentions and some of them are scroungers and some of them are anti West. Not all of them, but they're human beings and amongst humans beings you are going to have a mix of good and bad, just because they aren't white that doesn't mean they're all good. Most people don't have an issue with genuine asylum seekers. What the average working class Brit has a problem with is seeing others being given hand outs when they themselves are struggling to make ends meet . The misplaced anger and resentment then gets directed towards the asylum seekers when the real anger and resentment should be directed at the politicians. Let's ignore everything bar the last sentence, because everything else is a BNP/UKIP/Daily Mail/Daily Express writer's wet dream. The last sentence, you're spot on, especially the word "misplaced". It's always immigrants who are targeted when times get bad. Have a watch of this, and try to keep it in mind, next time some populist twat like Nigel Farage or Boris Johnson or Priti Patel or any other politician tries to get you to blame immigrants for the mess the country is in. It's nothing more than diversionary tactics because these people know how well some folk (a lot of folk, sadly) respond to having an "out-group" (ie someone not like them) to demonise and to blame for their ills. Supported wholeheartedly by the Express and Mail. The issue of immigration to this country, legal or otherwise, is a drop in the ocean compared to most of the things that actually, genuinely affect people on a daily basis. The fact that it is so easily weaponised is a sad indictment of our politicians, our press and people's inability to think beyond knee jerk, dog whistle stuff.
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Post by Hereward the Wake แแแแฒแ on Aug 10, 2022 9:11:16 GMT
Like everything mate it isn't black and white. Not all of them are "physically fit determined individuals" , some of them have bad intentions and some of them are scroungers and some of them are anti West. Not all of them, but they're human beings and amongst humans beings you are going to have a mix of good and bad, just because they aren't white that doesn't mean they're all good. Most people don't have an issue with genuine asylum seekers. What the average working class Brit has a problem with is seeing others being given hand outs when they themselves are struggling to make ends meet . The misplaced anger and resentment then gets directed towards the asylum seekers when the real anger and resentment should be directed at the politicians. Let's ignore everything bar the last sentence, because everything else is a BNP/UKIP/Daily Mail/Daily Express writer's wet dream. The last sentence, you're spot on, especially the word "misplaced". It's always immigrants who are targeted when times get bad. Have a watch of this, and try to keep it in mind, next time some populist twat like Nigel Farage or Boris Johnson or Priti Patel or any other politician tries to get you to blame immigrants for the mess the country is in. It's nothing more than diversionary tactics because these people know how well some folk (a lot of folk, sadly) respond to having an "out-group" (ie someone not like them) to demonise and to blame for their ills. Supported wholeheartedly by the Express and Mail. The issue of immigration to this country, legal or otherwise, is a drop in the ocean compared to most of the things that actually, genuinely affect people on a daily basis. The fact that it is so easily weaponised is a sad indictment of our politicians, our press and people's inability to think beyond knee jerk, dog whistle stuff. It's not a "BNP/UKIP/Daily Mail/Daily Express writer's wet dream" at all mate it's true , some of them are bad and some of them do have evil intentions towards the west, they're human, it's impossible that they could all be saints despite what the Guardian and other lefty media outlets would like you to believe. Rightly or wrongly many people also see the difference in culture and values etc as a threat to their own. There is no point in calling people racist for having genuine concerns because all that does it makes people more stubborn and more entrenched. It's good to acknowledge people's different opinions on the subject and try to understand why they think the way they do. The issue is complex and the only people suffering are the asylum seekers themselves and the Brits who feel hard done by. The politicians aren't affected by it and its them that are responsible for the division that they've caused. To blame an asylum seeker for coming here or to blame a Brit for being pissed off with it is over simplifying the issue. One can understand and feel empathy for the asylum seeker as well as understand the concerns of the British public simultaneously, the two aren't mutually exclusive.
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Post by redstriper on Aug 10, 2022 10:26:56 GMT
Like everything mate it isn't black and white. Not all of them are "physically fit determined individuals" , some of them have bad intentions and some of them are scroungers and some of them are anti West. Not all of them, but they're human beings and amongst humans beings you are going to have a mix of good and bad, just because they aren't white that doesn't mean they're all good. Most people don't have an issue with genuine asylum seekers. What the average working class Brit has a problem with is seeing others being given hand outs when they themselves are struggling to make ends meet . The misplaced anger and resentment then gets directed towards the asylum seekers when the real anger and resentment should be directed at the politicians. Let's ignore everything bar the last sentence, because everything else is a BNP/UKIP/Daily Mail/Daily Express writer's wet dream. The last sentence, you're spot on, especially the word "misplaced". It's always immigrants who are targeted when times get bad. Have a watch of this, and try to keep it in mind, next time some populist twat like Nigel Farage or Boris Johnson or Priti Patel or any other politician tries to get you to blame immigrants for the mess the country is in. It's nothing more than diversionary tactics because these people know how well some folk (a lot of folk, sadly) respond to having an "out-group" (ie someone not like them) to demonise and to blame for their ills. Supported wholeheartedly by the Express and Mail. The issue of immigration to this country, legal or otherwise, is a drop in the ocean compared to most of the things that actually, genuinely affect people on a daily basis. The fact that it is so easily weaponised is a sad indictment of our politicians, our press and people's inability to think beyond knee jerk, dog whistle stuff. spot on. So easy to shove up a few pictures showing some desperados landing in Kent, the government can get tough with them and pretend they are following through on the policies in their manifesto, which (whether you agree with them or not) are targets which they have missed by a country mile. As usual its politicians cynically manipulating the public through the media, i don't believe they want to solve the channel "problem", because it acts as the perfect deflector from their complete failures elsewhere.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 10, 2022 10:44:10 GMT
Let's ignore everything bar the last sentence, because everything else is a BNP/UKIP/Daily Mail/Daily Express writer's wet dream. The last sentence, you're spot on, especially the word "misplaced". It's always immigrants who are targeted when times get bad. Have a watch of this, and try to keep it in mind, next time some populist twat like Nigel Farage or Boris Johnson or Priti Patel or any other politician tries to get you to blame immigrants for the mess the country is in. It's nothing more than diversionary tactics because these people know how well some folk (a lot of folk, sadly) respond to having an "out-group" (ie someone not like them) to demonise and to blame for their ills. Supported wholeheartedly by the Express and Mail. The issue of immigration to this country, legal or otherwise, is a drop in the ocean compared to most of the things that actually, genuinely affect people on a daily basis. The fact that it is so easily weaponised is a sad indictment of our politicians, our press and people's inability to think beyond knee jerk, dog whistle stuff. spot on. So easy to shove up a few pictures showing some desperados landing in Kent, the government can get tough with them and pretend they are following through on the policies in their manifesto, which (whether you agree with them or not) are targets which they have missed by a country mile. As usual its politicians cynically manipulating the public through the media, i don't believe they want to solve the channel "problem", because it acts as the perfect deflector from their complete failures elsewhere. Exactly so. Unfortunately, as Audlempotter shows, a lot of people get taken in by the scare tactics of papers like the Express and Mail and politicians like Farage. "You're under attack. Some of these people (for which read "a lot of them") are probably terrorists, you know. They're all going to live in the Hilton for the rest of their lives, plotting to blow you up, while you scrape a living together in Stoke...." etc. It's not immigrants' fault that the NHS is on its knees (although they were blamed for that during the referendum), it's not immigrants' fault that it's almost impossible to get a dentist, that fuel bills are sky high, that foodbank usage is going through the roof, that schools are literally falling down... To be fair to Audlempotter, at least he recognises that the anger is misplaced - it's a decent start to seeing that it's just deflection. As you say, it's a useful way of getting some people to stop thinking about things that will affect the quality of their lives, if you can get them to point the finger at someone else.
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Post by Hereward the Wake แแแแฒแ on Aug 10, 2022 10:50:43 GMT
spot on. So easy to shove up a few pictures showing some desperados landing in Kent, the government can get tough with them and pretend they are following through on the policies in their manifesto, which (whether you agree with them or not) are targets which they have missed by a country mile. As usual its politicians cynically manipulating the public through the media, i don't believe they want to solve the channel "problem", because it acts as the perfect deflector from their complete failures elsewhere. Exactly so. Unfortunately, as Audlempotter shows, a lot of people get taken in by the scare tactics of papers like the Express and Mail and politicians like Farage. "You're under attack. Some of these people (for which read "a lot of them") are probably terrorists, you know. They're all going to live in the Hilton for the rest of their lives, plotting to blow you up, while you scrape a living together in Stoke...." etc. It's not immigrants' fault that the NHS is on its knees (although they were blamed for that during the referendum), it's not immigrants' fault that it's almost impossible to get a dentist, that fuel bills are sky high, that foodbank usage is going through the roof, that schools are literally falling down... To be fair to Audlempotter, at least he recognises that the anger is misplaced - it's a decent start to seeing that it's just deflection. As you say, it's a useful way of getting some people to stop thinking about things that will affect the quality of their lives, if you can get them to point the finger at someone else. I think you've misinterpreted what I was saying mate. Looks like a good movie though "The big short" , it's on Netflix, I'll check it out tonight
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Post by elystokie on Aug 10, 2022 11:38:32 GMT
spot on. So easy to shove up a few pictures showing some desperados landing in Kent, the government can get tough with them and pretend they are following through on the policies in their manifesto, which (whether you agree with them or not) are targets which they have missed by a country mile. As usual its politicians cynically manipulating the public through the media, i don't believe they want to solve the channel "problem", because it acts as the perfect deflector from their complete failures elsewhere. Exactly so. Unfortunately, as Audlempotter shows, a lot of people get taken in by the scare tactics of papers like the Express and Mail and politicians like Farage. "You're under attack. Some of these people (for which read "a lot of them") are probably terrorists, you know. They're all going to live in the Hilton for the rest of their lives, plotting to blow you up, while you scrape a living together in Stoke...." etc. It's not immigrants' fault that the NHS is on its knees (although they were blamed for that during the referendum), it's not immigrants' fault that it's almost impossible to get a dentist, that fuel bills are sky high, that foodbank usage is going through the roof, that schools are literally falling down... To be fair to Audlempotter, at least he recognises that the anger is misplaced - it's a decent start to seeing that it's just deflection. As you say, it's a useful way of getting some people to stop thinking about things that will affect the quality of their lives, if you can get them to point the finger at someone else. Yup, as pointed out on another thread, if ALL the illegal immigrants went to London every year for ten years the effect of their presence on the population level would be less than a third of a percent. To extrapolate for the country I'm guessing we can divide that by at least 7 (assuming 9 million for London and well over 60 million for the rest of the country) so that .28 of a percent becomes .04% by my maths. A 0.04% increase over a ten year period. Just another dog whistle that more and more people are waking up to (unless they read the Express or the Mail obviously).
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 23, 2022 9:32:17 GMT
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