Tyrese

[nottsover60]

Jan 17, 2022 18:43:21 GMT robwahlmann said:

I'd let him go for £15M + add-ons.

He'll be worth more than that in the summer if he starts scoring again. At the moment he is a risk. 

[nottsover60]

Jan 18, 2022 10:11:53 GMT superalexneil said:

Jan 18, 2022 10:09:34 GMT monkeycat said:

Would anyone take a swap to bring Collins back?

no

Definitely not. Good as he was Collins is a defender of which there are plenty around. I think he is better than Souttar but we also have Wilmot, Taylor and Forrester who we are developing and with Jagielka and Harwood Bellis have no need for Collins. Campbell is unique and irreplaceable at Stoke. Even playing as badly as he is at the moment he scores goals. I have every confidence that given time MON will get him back to where he was. 

[greenhoff]

Jan 18, 2022 10:14:06 GMT The Toxic Avenger said:

Did people seriously think he was going to come back and immediately be the same player he was before his injury? It could be next season before he starts looking like that player again. He's provided more glimpses of his old self than I was expecting at this stage, with his brilliant goal against Peterborough and that finish at QPR.

He's obviously had a terrible injury and it was naive to expect the Campbell of pre injury but I'll have to be honest I'm more than worried how he's looking. I did expect him to be further down the road than he is.

[nottsover60]

Jan 18, 2022 10:42:16 GMT greenhoff said:

Jan 18, 2022 10:14:06 GMT The Toxic Avenger said:

Did people seriously think he was going to come back and immediately be the same player he was before his injury? It could be next season before he starts looking like that player again. He's provided more glimpses of his old self than I was expecting at this stage, with his brilliant goal against Peterborough and that finish at QPR.

He's obviously had a terrible injury and it was naive to expect the Campbell of pre injury but I'll have to be honest I'm more than worried how he's looking. I did expect him to be further down the road than he is.

It'll take at least until next season. Don't judge him yet. We were very tolerant of him when he first got into the team and he was no better then than he is now. Needs patience and encouragement. I think he will be feeling very fragile at the moment watching Wright Phillips grabbing the headlines in Tyrese's position. 

[stokie223]

It's probable that we will lose him at some point, but I think he's looked pretty poor think he's come back from his injury personally.
Completely get that it was a horrific one, and it takes time to get back to the level he was at, but I don't think it's unreasonable to have expected a little more.

We wouldn't get a snip of what we'd have got for him pre-injury, so I would certainly keep hold of him for now. If he can find his form again then we get plenty of goals, and his value doubles. Win/win. 

[toppercorner]

Jan 17, 2022 22:14:31 GMT yyy said:

Jan 17, 2022 19:00:58 GMT toppercorner said:

I don't want Tyrese to leave at all ... but if we can get £25m + extras, then i'd be sad to see him go but it'd go someway to safeguarding our club, and helping with the stupid FFp. 

Highly doubt it would be £25m, I'd say Burnley would offer half that at best

then it's an immediate, and resounding 'no'. simple.

[The Toxic Avenger]

Jan 18, 2022 10:42:16 GMT greenhoff said:

Jan 18, 2022 10:14:06 GMT The Toxic Avenger said:

Did people seriously think he was going to come back and immediately be the same player he was before his injury? It could be next season before he starts looking like that player again. He's provided more glimpses of his old self than I was expecting at this stage, with his brilliant goal against Peterborough and that finish at QPR.

He's obviously had a terrible injury and it was naive to expect the Campbell of pre injury but I'll have to be honest I'm more than worried how he's looking. I did expect him to be further down the road than he is.

It was a very serious injury though especially for a young player. It was always going to take a while.

[apb1]

He's shown he can finish, but still missing the creativity and even touch we were used to. Still madness to sell him on the cheap as I think he'll come good.

[Deleted]

I would be tempted if a decent offer came in. If we could take Vydra on loan until the end of the season as well be even more tempting and gave us a bit of room for maybe another signing or two , if Vydra fit etc have no idea but has played the odd game . Good player at this level.

[wuzza]

I think people tend to forget what Campbell has brought to the table so far.
Initially he looked completely lost and frankly not worth his place in the side. Couldn’t do any of the hard yards that Brown for example can and seemed incapable of hanging on to the the ball. To an extent I think those problems have never disappeared ......BUT he then showed that he has that inexplicable talent of being able to put the damn thing in the back of the net !! Will that talent return? - with a bit of confidence I think it probably will but it’s far from certain. Do we cash in while it’s not clear which way this thing will go ? Personally I hope not. Having rich owners should give us the flexibility to take these chances ( and bugger the vagaries of the EFL and their stupid systems).

[leesandfordstoupe]

Jan 18, 2022 11:52:38 GMT wuzza said:

I think people tend to forget what Campbell has brought to the table so far.
Initially he looked completely lost and frankly not worth his place in the side. Couldn’t do any of the hard yards that Brown for example can and seemed incapable of hanging on to the the ball. To an extent I think those problems have never disappeared ......BUT he then showed that he has that inexplicable talent of being able to put the damn thing in the back of the net !! Will that talent return? - with a bit of confidence I think it probably will but it’s far from certain. Do we cash in while it’s not clear which way this thing will go ? Personally I hope not. Having rich owners should give us the flexibility to take these chances ( and bugger the vagaries of the EFL and their stupid systems).

Simple economics isn't it. Do you sell your assets when they're tarnished. Only if you absolutely have to.

[scubastevetokie]

There is one thing nobody on this board seems to understand about the injury Tye is STILL recovering from.

The physical recovery is one thing and that has taken the best part of a year!

BUT the psychological recovery could take another 12 months! I have been unfortunate enough to do my ligaments in BOTH knees and returning to play footy was a nightmare for months after my brain stopped me from living and playing in the way I wanted.

This is a part of the recovery which will be the hardest to get over and I think that is why his performances have been a little below par!

Give him time he patient and the fee will be double the £25m spouted!!!

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Jan 18, 2022 12:08:21 GMT scubastevetokie said:

There is one thing nobody on this board seems to understand about the injury Tye is STILL recovering from.

The physical recovery is one thing and that has taken the best part of a year!

BUT the psychological recovery could take another 12 months! I have been unfortunate enough to do my ligaments in BOTH knees and returning to play footy was a nightmare for months after my brain stopped me from living and playing in the way I wanted.

This is a part of the recovery which will be the hardest to get over and I think that is why his performances have been a little below par!

Give him time he patient and the fee will be double the £25m spouted!!!

You believe he looked a 50m player pre injury? Behave. He'll never be a 25m player.

[Deleted]

Still looks lethal infront of goal, i.e. the QPR game. Just needs to get back to fitness, players struggle without a pre season so an injury out with rehab in-between... Can't expect him to be the same old Tyrese from minute one.

Next season we'll be able to fairly judge him.

[Deleted]

Jan 18, 2022 9:21:41 GMT Laughing Gravy said:

Jan 18, 2022 1:01:30 GMT @cvillestokie said:

I would be shocked if we got that now. If he had gone until last January in the form he started the season, perhaps, but as of yet, he’s not really done anything apart from show promise.

Ollie Watkins went for £28 million just over a season ago. He’s quite likely to have a much better career than Campbell.

That was based on the fact that they’ve got £25m burning a hole in their pockets and they’re desperate. If they’re not that desperate fair enough look elsewhere. 👍

I suppose it depends on our FFP situation and what the board thinks the extra cash is worth. I reckon they’d be tempted by £15 million to be honest. Campbell is pretty much all potential so far.

I personally hope we don’t sell, as I think he’ll be very hard to replace.

[Deleted]

Jan 18, 2022 11:26:20 GMT jesusmcmuffin said:

I would be tempted if a decent offer came in. If we could take Vydra on loan until the end of the season as well be even more tempting and gave us a bit of room for maybe another signing or two , if Vydra fit etc have no idea but has played the odd game . Good player at this level.

Has scored well in 3 of 5 Championship seasons, but that was many years ago now. I’d worry about signing a pace merchant at 29. How long does he have left and how long would it take for his to find his scoring boots first?

[wakefieldstokie]

Definitely let him go, selling your best players always brings the rewards for the long term🙄

[Laughing Gravy]

Jan 18, 2022 12:38:25 GMT wakefieldstokie said:

Definitely let him go, selling your best players always brings the rewards for the long term🙄

The trouble is though mate with FFP looming we might not have a long term to worry about.

[Deleted]

Jan 18, 2022 12:38:25 GMT wakefieldstokie said:

Definitely let him go, selling your best players always brings the rewards for the long term🙄

Best player? We have no idea what the future is for him at the minute. Run that
last comment by Premier League Brentford. Not sure what the smiley face represents. We're talking a player who has scored 21 goals in his career. Anyway nobody it seems offering huge money for him it seems so irrelevant really

[biglad180]

we must keep tyrese, wright phillips powell soutter. and brown all decent lads who will become part of a good stoke city future,all at a good age to, just hope that Tezgel,can be the player we all think he might be,

[bayernoatcake]

He hasn't been playing well but the two chances Brown had, Campbell would bury.

We need to be patient.

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Jan 18, 2022 13:27:39 GMT bayernoatcake said:

He hasn't been playing well but the two chances Brown had, Campbell would bury.

We need to be patient.

Simply not true.

Campbell has missed plenty of good opportunities both before and after his injury. He’s more likely to score efforts with his feet than Brown, but you’re exaggerating that he would have scored those.

We do have to be patient on Campbell though as he should be our top scorer next season.

[Deleted]

Jan 18, 2022 0:37:40 GMT kustokie said:

He’s scored three goals since returning from injury, of which two were off the bench. However, I am not convinced he has the same pace. Hopefully that will return as he gets back to full fitness. Right now he looks unfit and overweight. Burnley will certainly see that when he takes a fitness test and either pass or make a very low offer.

Of course will take him a good few months to regain full fitness but those calling him another Stein etc and then telling others to give their head a wobble etc are talking nonsense. The point is he's yet to show he's a 20 plus goals a season striker at this level, obviously had limited chances to do that but certainly capable of well into double figures. Be very very surprised if a Prem club offered big money for him, especially on the back of his injury. He's not going to score goals in the Prem in his current condition for me. Be next season until we see a fully fit player anltjough glimpses as you say. Like I said, I can't see a player who has scored 21 league goals suddenly become a 20-30 goal a season striker as some predicting in his current condition. Bit academic anyway as no one has made an offer for him, the talk of 25 odd million by some simply figures plucked out of the air and in no way realistic.

[bayernoatcake]

Jan 18, 2022 13:45:44 GMT @cvillestokie said:

Jan 18, 2022 13:27:39 GMT bayernoatcake said:

He hasn't been playing well but the two chances Brown had, Campbell would bury.

We need to be patient.

Simply not true.

Campbell has missed plenty of good opportunities both before and after his injury. He’s more likely to score efforts with his feet than Brown, but you’re exaggerating that he would have scored those.

We do have to be patient on Campbell though as he should be our top scorer next season.

I think he would have done.

He's struggling clearly though and needs time though, we shouldn't be accepting derisory offers and actually should see Burnley are desperate, have 25m burning a hole in their back pocket and exploit that if needed.

[jimmygscfc1234]

The opportunity Brown had where the lob over the 'keeper seemed the obvious option was the one for me. He has no instinct and took a split second to think about it instead of doing what should have come naturally.

[mickeythemaestro]

Jan 18, 2022 12:08:21 GMT scubastevetokie said:

There is one thing nobody on this board seems to understand about the injury Tye is STILL recovering from.

The physical recovery is one thing and that has taken the best part of a year!

BUT the psychological recovery could take another 12 months! I have been unfortunate enough to do my ligaments in BOTH knees and returning to play footy was a nightmare for months after my brain stopped me from living and playing in the way I wanted.

This is a part of the recovery which will be the hardest to get over and I think that is why his performances have been a little below par!

Give him time he patient and the fee will be double the £25m spouted!!!

I agree with your assessment. However it is possible he will never fully recover mentally. I did my ACL and had it repaired but it my head 15 years later i still don't quite trust it. I hope he does recover but it may be the case it will always be something that affects him and stops him reaching what his potential was pre injury.

[nottsover60]

Jan 18, 2022 14:19:37 GMT mickeythemaestro said:

Jan 18, 2022 12:08:21 GMT scubastevetokie said:

There is one thing nobody on this board seems to understand about the injury Tye is STILL recovering from.

The physical recovery is one thing and that has taken the best part of a year!

BUT the psychological recovery could take another 12 months! I have been unfortunate enough to do my ligaments in BOTH knees and returning to play footy was a nightmare for months after my brain stopped me from living and playing in the way I wanted.

This is a part of the recovery which will be the hardest to get over and I think that is why his performances have been a little below par!

Give him time he patient and the fee will be double the £25m spouted!!!

I agree with your assessment. However it is possible he will never fully recover mentally. I did my ACL and had it repaired but it my head 15 years later i still don't quite trust it. I hope he does recover but it may be the case it will always be something that affects him and stops him reaching what his potential was pre injury.

I hope it isn't the case but I'm sure it takes a lot of mental strength not to want to protect yourself against a similar thing happening again. Let's hope Tyrese has that mental fortitude. 

[mickeythemaestro]

Jan 18, 2022 14:22:15 GMT nottsover60 said:

Jan 18, 2022 14:19:37 GMT mickeythemaestro said:

I agree with your assessment. However it is possible he will never fully recover mentally. I did my ACL and had it repaired but it my head 15 years later i still don't quite trust it. I hope he does recover but it may be the case it will always be something that affects him and stops him reaching what his potential was pre injury.

I hope it isn't the case but I'm sure it takes a lot of mental strength not to want to protect yourself against a similar thing happening again. Let's hope Tyrese has that mental fortitude. 

To be fair i suspect Stoke will also have psychologists working with him which will give him a better chance than your average Joe. But even still from my experience i could never put it out of my head and naturally have over compensated on my left side as a result. This is despite the fact i have been forced into situations that make me realise my knee is now stable. But for whatever reason it has changed my mobility. Of course that is no big deal for me kicking a ball round the park with my lad but for a top pro it would be a bit of an issue.

Hopefully he has a brain that works better than mine in this sense.

[s8to]

Jan 18, 2022 10:09:34 GMT monkeycat said:

Would anyone take a swap to bring Collins back?

Likely to happen that way then?

[kustokie]

Jan 18, 2022 10:12:13 GMT superalexneil said:

they sold us sam vokes for 9m, anything thats not double that amount is a disgrace

Without our financial genius, Tony Scholes, there’s no knowing what they are capable of.  They could let him go on a free. 🤣🤣🤣

More, seriously, one option could be a loan to get him fully fit and see where he is relative to his pre-injury form because he’s nowhere near that level at the moment. 

Personally I’d keep him, unless someone offers serious money, because he’s a good option off the bench when he’s playing against players with tired legs, having been run ragged by Brown and White-Philips