Tyrese

[iglugluk]

Jan 4, 2022 22:32:51 GMT shooters said:

Hes an out and out striker so why would you want him tracking back, defending and out wide. Play the ball into him near the box , on the last defender, he twists and turns and shoots like a greedy 20 goal striker should. Totally obvious that the oppo could exploit our weakness asking him to play wide when not 100% yet, not just obvious, stupid.

Absolutely. We need him to be a goal scorer and he's shown glimpses of his capabilities since he returned.
His fitness level both physically and psychologically need careful management in my opinion.

[iglugluk]

Jan 4, 2022 22:49:45 GMT independent said:

Jan 4, 2022 22:11:31 GMT nottsover60 said:

I'm sorry I'm not sure what you are suggesting. Do you think he risks serious injury because he has a mental block to overcome. I always thought the best way of overcoming your fears were to face them rather than hiding from them. The only way barring injury that Campbell should be 'rested' is if (as was the case on Monday) he is too much of a burden for the team to carry. At the moment it is a short term problem which hopefully will lead to a long term gain. He will not get fit or overcome his mental block by being rested. The problem at the moment is that unlike pre-injury he is not a goal threat to justify his presence in the team on that alone.

Can you name one modern day footballer who is not expected to track back and help out the defence? 

Ronaldo

Sterling

[nottsover60]

Jan 4, 2022 22:32:51 GMT shooters said:

Hes an out and out striker so why would you want him tracking back, defending and out wide. Play the ball into him near the box , on the last defender, he twists and turns and shoots like a greedy 20 goal striker should. Totally obvious that the oppo could exploit our weakness asking him to play wide when not 100% yet, not just obvious, stupid.

He's not an out and out striker though is he? He needs somebody to play with him. I always thought him and Brown would work well together  with Brown's work ethic compensating for Campbell's reluctance to track back. Unfortunately they don't work together probably because despite their physiques both lack physicality when they come up against experienced defenders like Derby's.

Usually you would say that if a striker carries a genuine goal threat then you can forgive his not tracking back because he can always score a goal out of nothing. Unfortunately Campbell doesn't carry that goal threat at the moment unlike pre injury. You can't afford to play a striker who isn't prepared to try to win the ball back and isn't scoring. You might as well play with ten men.

On Monday for their first he could have put a challenge in near the half way line and chose not to. Even when it was obvious that Wilmot was having to defend on his own against three he made no effort to help out despite being the nearest man. That to me is criminal and if he was anyone else in the team he would have been crucified. The other players won't stand for it for long. As I said before name a top striker who isn't expected to help defend. Ronaldo is probably the closest and he's 15 years older and has earned the right to do what he likes by the career he has had. 

As for not playing him wide when not 100% I would agree if he was asked to play wing back. But he was playing wide striker because he had failed in his previous matches to make an impression centrally when he gets far stronger tackles and much closer attention. He couldn't play there pre-injury so what makes you think he can now play against cynical central defenders who aren't slow to kick your ankles and are well rehearsed in following through with their challenges. Even when he has space to run into at the moment he seems to stop, turn back and pass. 

I really liked Campbell before he was injured even before MON came in because he had that X factor and quality to frighten defenders. It isn't there yet. I as much as anybody know he needs time to overcome the mental block. I've said before how I talked to Jimmy Phillips at Mickleover who said that even two years after his injury he couldn't go into a game 100% because it was always at the back of his mind.

Leaving him on the bench having twenty minute cameos isn't going to help. He is not fatigued or overused at the moment so doesn't need resting. The problem though is for how long can Stoke play him for the good of the team? Not only is it like playing with ten men but it also risks unrest in the squad. Mario Vrancic is a player who also struggles to play three matches a week or 90 minutes yet he has never shirked his responsibility in our injury crisis. He tracks back, puts in challenges, makes himself available even when his body is clearly saying no more. Why should he do that and watch Campbell not be arsed to run fifty yards back to at least try to mark a player and help out the team when a situation like Monday's arises? 

[iglugluk]

Jan 5, 2022 11:12:57 GMT nottsover60 said:

Jan 4, 2022 22:32:51 GMT shooters said:

Hes an out and out striker so why would you want him tracking back, defending and out wide. Play the ball into him near the box , on the last defender, he twists and turns and shoots like a greedy 20 goal striker should. Totally obvious that the oppo could exploit our weakness asking him to play wide when not 100% yet, not just obvious, stupid.

He's not an out and out striker though is he? He needs somebody to play with him. I always thought him and Brown would work well together  with Brown's work ethic compensating for Campbell's reluctance to track back. Unfortunately they don't work together probably because despite their physiques both lack physicality when they come up against experienced defenders like Derby's.

Usually you would say that if a striker carries a genuine goal threat then you can forgive his not tracking back because he can always score a goal out of nothing. Unfortunately Campbell doesn't carry that goal threat at the moment unlike pre injury. You can't afford to play a striker who isn't prepared to try to win the ball back and isn't scoring. You might as well play with ten men.

On Monday for their first he could have put a challenge in near the half way line and chose not to. Even when it was obvious that Wilmot was having to defend on his own against three he made no effort to help out despite being the nearest man. That to me is criminal and if he was anyone else in the team he would have been crucified. The other players won't stand for it for long. As I said before name a top striker who isn't expected to help defend. Ronaldo is probably the closest and he's 15 years older and has earned the right to do what he likes by the career he has had. 

As for not playing him wide when not 100% I would agree if he was asked to play wing back. But he was playing wide striker because he had failed in his previous matches to make an impression centrally when he gets far stronger tackles and much closer attention. He couldn't play there pre-injury so what makes you think he can now play against cynical central defenders who aren't slow to kick your ankles and are well rehearsed in following through with their challenges. Even when he has space to run into at the moment he seems to stop, turn back and pass. 

I really liked Campbell before he was injured even before MON came in because he had that X factor and quality to frighten defenders. It isn't there yet. I as much as anybody know he needs time to overcome the mental block. I've said before how I talked to Jimmy Phillips at Mickleover who said that even two years after his injury he couldn't go into a game 100% because it was always at the back of his mind.

Leaving him on the bench having twenty minute cameos isn't going to help. He is not fatigued or overused at the moment so doesn't need resting. The problem though is for how long can Stoke play him for the good of the team? Not only is it like playing with ten men but it also risks unrest in the squad. Mario Vrancic is a player who also struggles to play three matches a week or 90 minutes yet he has never shirked his responsibility in our injury crisis. He tracks back, puts in challenges, makes himself available even when his body is clearly saying no more. Why should he do that and watch Campbell not be arsed to run fifty yards back to at least try to mark a player and help out the team when a situation like Monday's arises? 

He's clearly not back to full match fitness as of yet and that's no surprise after the serious injury he sustained a little over a year ago.
So starting him isn't the best of ideas if he isn't ready to play a full and effective 90.
In fact it could do more harm than good both mentally and even more crucially physically. The last thing he or the club needs is the danger of a second and potentially career ending injury.
Under those circumstances giving him the additional responsibility of running about supporting the defence is a ludicrous idea.

[nottsover60]

Jan 5, 2022 17:48:59 GMT iglugluk said:

Jan 5, 2022 11:12:57 GMT nottsover60 said:

He's not an out and out striker though is he? He needs somebody to play with him. I always thought him and Brown would work well together  with Brown's work ethic compensating for Campbell's reluctance to track back. Unfortunately they don't work together probably because despite their physiques both lack physicality when they come up against experienced defenders like Derby's.

Usually you would say that if a striker carries a genuine goal threat then you can forgive his not tracking back because he can always score a goal out of nothing. Unfortunately Campbell doesn't carry that goal threat at the moment unlike pre injury. You can't afford to play a striker who isn't prepared to try to win the ball back and isn't scoring. You might as well play with ten men.

On Monday for their first he could have put a challenge in near the half way line and chose not to. Even when it was obvious that Wilmot was having to defend on his own against three he made no effort to help out despite being the nearest man. That to me is criminal and if he was anyone else in the team he would have been crucified. The other players won't stand for it for long. As I said before name a top striker who isn't expected to help defend. Ronaldo is probably the closest and he's 15 years older and has earned the right to do what he likes by the career he has had. 

As for not playing him wide when not 100% I would agree if he was asked to play wing back. But he was playing wide striker because he had failed in his previous matches to make an impression centrally when he gets far stronger tackles and much closer attention. He couldn't play there pre-injury so what makes you think he can now play against cynical central defenders who aren't slow to kick your ankles and are well rehearsed in following through with their challenges. Even when he has space to run into at the moment he seems to stop, turn back and pass. 

I really liked Campbell before he was injured even before MON came in because he had that X factor and quality to frighten defenders. It isn't there yet. I as much as anybody know he needs time to overcome the mental block. I've said before how I talked to Jimmy Phillips at Mickleover who said that even two years after his injury he couldn't go into a game 100% because it was always at the back of his mind.

Leaving him on the bench having twenty minute cameos isn't going to help. He is not fatigued or overused at the moment so doesn't need resting. The problem though is for how long can Stoke play him for the good of the team? Not only is it like playing with ten men but it also risks unrest in the squad. Mario Vrancic is a player who also struggles to play three matches a week or 90 minutes yet he has never shirked his responsibility in our injury crisis. He tracks back, puts in challenges, makes himself available even when his body is clearly saying no more. Why should he do that and watch Campbell not be arsed to run fifty yards back to at least try to mark a player and help out the team when a situation like Monday's arises? 

He's clearly not back to full match fitness as of yet and that's no surprise after the serious injury he sustained a little over a year ago.
So starting him isn't the best of ideas if he isn't ready to play a full and effective 90.
In fact it could do more harm than good both mentally and even more crucially physically. The last thing he or the club needs is the danger of a second and potentially career ending injury.
Under those circumstances giving him the additional responsibility of running about supporting the defence is a ludicrous idea.

In that case he has to be dropped. In our situation we can't carry passengers.

I always think it better to start players whose fitness is in question. If they start the match you know they are properly warmed up. If they come on and break down you quite probably will end up with 10 men as all subs have been used. Tyrese is used to being subbed on 60/70 minutes so I can't see that harming him mentally

As for your last point, running about is a prerequisite and I've not suggested he play like a wing back, just tracks a man and helps out when he can see a problem. I didn't notice Wilmot thinking it's not my job to shoot or score. Even centre forwards have to track back. Fletcher quite often comes back to help out and not just at corners and free kicks. We are not good enough to have a player whose only job is to attack not very effectively at the moment. 

[kerouac]

It looked at times on Saturday,that while he’d undergone surgery,they’d put his legs back on the wrong way.

[iglugluk]

Jan 5, 2022 17:59:23 GMT nottsover60 said:

Jan 5, 2022 17:48:59 GMT iglugluk said:

He's clearly not back to full match fitness as of yet and that's no surprise after the serious injury he sustained a little over a year ago.
So starting him isn't the best of ideas if he isn't ready to play a full and effective 90.
In fact it could do more harm than good both mentally and even more crucially physically. The last thing he or the club needs is the danger of a second and potentially career ending injury.
Under those circumstances giving him the additional responsibility of running about supporting the defence is a ludicrous idea.

In that case he has to be dropped. In our situation we can't carry passengers.

I always think it better to start players whose fitness is in question. If they start the match you know they are properly warmed up. If they come on and break down you quite probably will end up with 10 men as all subs have been used. Tyrese is used to being subbed on 60/70 minutes so I can't see that harming him mentally

As for your last point, running about is a prerequisite and I've not suggested he play like a wing back, just tracks a man and helps out when he can see a problem. I didn't notice Wilmot thinking it's not my job to shoot or score. Even centre forwards have to track back. Fletcher quite often comes back to help out and not just at corners and free kicks. We are not good enough to have a player whose only job is to attack not very effectively at the moment. 

Running about for good reason is a prerequisite and coming back for free kicks, corners etc is generally a good idea, although not always, as an attacking outlet is still a genuinely good and necessary player position to keep available further up the pitch.
If necessary swap him for the Centre Forward ( assuming it's not him ) during set pieces so a player with Brown's or Fletcher's qualities can perform that role, whatever works.

Thinking excessively defensively is a dangerous mindset, not only can it engender panic, but it's a traditional Stoke City failing as far as I'm concerned. We need goals, not all hands at the pump desperate defence trying to protect a one goal lead or even dare I say it, a draw.

I see no issue with using him as an impact sub in the last 20, personally, until his fitness and strength are back to full effectiveness.. something we must hope is likely, let's face it, given our recent transfer business in respect of functional strikers we need a gifted goal scorer.

Dropping him would potentially do great damage to his psychology.
We've already seen serious knee injury combined with psychological issues ultimately ruin Bojan's time here..
He's potentially worth a massive amount to the club.

[shooters]

Jan 5, 2022 11:12:57 GMT nottsover60 said:

Jan 4, 2022 22:32:51 GMT shooters said:

Hes an out and out striker so why would you want him tracking back, defending and out wide. Play the ball into him near the box , on the last defender, he twists and turns and shoots like a greedy 20 goal striker should. Totally obvious that the oppo could exploit our weakness asking him to play wide when not 100% yet, not just obvious, stupid.

He's not an out and out striker though is he? He needs somebody to play with him. I always thought him and Brown would work well together  with Brown's work ethic compensating for Campbell's reluctance to track back. Unfortunately they don't work together probably because despite their physiques both lack physicality when they come up against experienced defenders like Derby's.

Usually you would say that if a striker carries a genuine goal threat then you can forgive his not tracking back because he can always score a goal out of nothing. Unfortunately Campbell doesn't carry that goal threat at the moment unlike pre injury. You can't afford to play a striker who isn't prepared to try to win the ball back and isn't scoring. You might as well play with ten men.

On Monday for their first he could have put a challenge in near the half way line and chose not to. Even when it was obvious that Wilmot was having to defend on his own against three he made no effort to help out despite being the nearest man. That to me is criminal and if he was anyone else in the team he would have been crucified. The other players won't stand for it for long. As I said before name a top striker who isn't expected to help defend. Ronaldo is probably the closest and he's 15 years older and has earned the right to do what he likes by the career he has had. 

As for not playing him wide when not 100% I would agree if he was asked to play wing back. But he was playing wide striker because he had failed in his previous matches to make an impression centrally when he gets far stronger tackles and much closer attention. He couldn't play there pre-injury so what makes you think he can now play against cynical central defenders who aren't slow to kick your ankles and are well rehearsed in following through with their challenges. Even when he has space to run into at the moment he seems to stop, turn back and pass. 

I really liked Campbell before he was injured even before MON came in because he had that X factor and quality to frighten defenders. It isn't there yet. I as much as anybody know he needs time to overcome the mental block. I've said before how I talked to Jimmy Phillips at Mickleover who said that even two years after his injury he couldn't go into a game 100% because it was always at the back of his mind.

Leaving him on the bench having twenty minute cameos isn't going to help. He is not fatigued or overused at the moment so doesn't need resting. The problem though is for how long can Stoke play him for the good of the team? Not only is it like playing with ten men but it also risks unrest in the squad. Mario Vrancic is a player who also struggles to play three matches a week or 90 minutes yet he has never shirked his responsibility in our injury crisis. He tracks back, puts in challenges, makes himself available even when his body is clearly saying no more. Why should he do that and watch Campbell not be arsed to run fifty yards back to at least try to mark a player and help out the team when a situation like Monday's arises? 

Ok. I think He is a clear an out and out striker since stein or sheron at his greedy best and was played out of position which made us weaker and tests his fitness more and a role where anybody needs greater fitness to cover the distances not his usp which is a burst of speed to crack shots off, so wrong tactics again. You don't have speed going fwd ( which we need as no midfiedler is in their half ) and then run 40 yards backwards, Yet he till fired off more shots than anyone else and is getting sharper. He will need more game time but no point at all playing him out wide to track back , play him up the middle in a 2 , occupy 2 or 3 defenders and the rest of the team can deal with their battles so he does n't even need to chase anybody back.

[cheadlepotter]

Have him up front concentrating on scoring goals and very little else.

[Deleted]

Best football he has played for us has been coming off the flank as an inside forward either for Vokes or for Fletcher. If Fletcher is injured then he needs someone around him who can link up play well. Having Ince on the inside as opposed to on the other flank is my best idea as to solve that at present.

I hope that when Sawyers returns, Campbell is in full swing and we play Sawyers in a more advanced role. They could make a hell of a duo.

[nottsover60]

Jan 5, 2022 23:24:49 GMT cheadlepotter said:

Have him up front concentrating on scoring goals and very little else.

He's not doing that though is he, or even looking like doing it. Monday was the first time since he came back that he hasn't played up front and we have not looked like scoring in any of those games (even QPR we scored more than our xG and that was down to mainly to Vrancic not Campbell). Don't get me wrong I am a big Campbell fan and really want him to do well but at the moment I'm not sure what benefit there is to having him in the team. 

[nottsover60]

Jan 5, 2022 19:40:26 GMT iglugluk said:

Jan 5, 2022 17:59:23 GMT nottsover60 said:

In that case he has to be dropped. In our situation we can't carry passengers.

I always think it better to start players whose fitness is in question. If they start the match you know they are properly warmed up. If they come on and break down you quite probably will end up with 10 men as all subs have been used. Tyrese is used to being subbed on 60/70 minutes so I can't see that harming him mentally

As for your last point, running about is a prerequisite and I've not suggested he play like a wing back, just tracks a man and helps out when he can see a problem. I didn't notice Wilmot thinking it's not my job to shoot or score. Even centre forwards have to track back. Fletcher quite often comes back to help out and not just at corners and free kicks. We are not good enough to have a player whose only job is to attack not very effectively at the moment. 

Running about for good reason is a prerequisite and coming back for free kicks, corners etc is generally a good idea, although not always, as an attacking outlet is still a genuinely good and necessary player position to keep available further up the pitch.
If necessary swap him for the Centre Forward ( assuming it's not him ) during set pieces so a player with Brown's or Fletcher's qualities can perform that role, whatever works.

Thinking excessively defensively is a dangerous mindset, not only can it engender panic, but it's a traditional Stoke City failing as far as I'm concerned. We need goals, not all hands at the pump desperate defence trying to protect a one goal lead or even dare I say it, a draw.

I see no issue with using him as an impact sub in the last 20, personally, until his fitness and strength are back to full effectiveness.. something we must hope is likely, let's face it, given our recent transfer business in respect of functional strikers we need a gifted goal scorer.

Dropping him would potentially do great damage to his psychology.
We've already seen serious knee injury combined with psychological issues ultimately ruin Bojan's time here..
He's potentially worth a massive amount to the club.

Top footballers are mentally strong and being dropped makes them more determined, not that I am suggesting we drop him as I think he and Vrancic are the only players who worry the opposition. It was more damaging psychologically to hear the Preston fans jeering his wayward shooting than being dropped would be.

Nor am I suggesting he should regularly run 40 yards back to defend, that would be stupid. However nobody has yet justified to me why a) he should not  have challenged the bloke on the half way line or b) seeing Wilmot faced with three men he should not have run back to help out. That is what team players do and is an example of how our squad in general seems not to be able to take the initiative but stick rigidly to what they've been told to do, and ultimately lead to Preston's equaliser and our defeat (I'm sure every Stoke fan knew deep down that we would lose once they equalised).

He does actually defend corners and free kicks well so he has no problem with defensive duties when he has been told to. 

[cheadlepotter]

Jan 6, 2022 0:30:46 GMT nottsover60 said:

Jan 5, 2022 23:24:49 GMT cheadlepotter said:

Have him up front concentrating on scoring goals and very little else.

He's not doing that though is he, or even looking like doing it. Monday was the first time since he came back that he hasn't played up front and we have not looked like scoring in any of those games (even QPR we scored more than our xG and that was down to mainly to Vrancic not Campbell). Don't get me wrong I am a big Campbell fan and really want him to do well but at the moment I'm not sure what benefit there is to having him in the team. 

I understand but he’s still has lots of potential and there’s not an awful lot of quality being left out when he plays. In a front two he needs a stronger partner than Brown. I’ve been one of MON’s biggest fans but I can’t get my ahead around the Campbell/Brown pairing he’s been trying.

[nottsover60]

Jan 6, 2022 0:42:35 GMT cheadlepotter said:

Jan 6, 2022 0:30:46 GMT nottsover60 said:

He's not doing that though is he, or even looking like doing it. Monday was the first time since he came back that he hasn't played up front and we have not looked like scoring in any of those games (even QPR we scored more than our xG and that was down to mainly to Vrancic not Campbell). Don't get me wrong I am a big Campbell fan and really want him to do well but at the moment I'm not sure what benefit there is to having him in the team. 

I understand but he’s still has lots of potential and there’s not an awful lot of quality being left out when he plays. In a front two he needs a stronger partner than Brown. I’ve been one of MON’s biggest fans but I can’t get my ahead around the Campbell/Brown pairing he’s been trying.

Could be worse in future matches, it could be Surridge who partners him if he goes back to a central role although I think while Ince is playing well we'll stick to two wide strikers in Ince and Campbell with one of Surridge or Brown in the middle.

Side note : just to be clear I do not want Campbell dropped, even misfiring like he is, teams are worried about him. I just want him to read the game better and not forget defensive duties if needed. I also feel he's at his best playing wide and cutting in. 

[iglugluk]

Jan 6, 2022 0:41:53 GMT nottsover60 said:

Jan 5, 2022 19:40:26 GMT iglugluk said:

Running about for good reason is a prerequisite and coming back for free kicks, corners etc is generally a good idea, although not always, as an attacking outlet is still a genuinely good and necessary player position to keep available further up the pitch.
If necessary swap him for the Centre Forward ( assuming it's not him ) during set pieces so a player with Brown's or Fletcher's qualities can perform that role, whatever works.

Thinking excessively defensively is a dangerous mindset, not only can it engender panic, but it's a traditional Stoke City failing as far as I'm concerned. We need goals, not all hands at the pump desperate defence trying to protect a one goal lead or even dare I say it, a draw.

I see no issue with using him as an impact sub in the last 20, personally, until his fitness and strength are back to full effectiveness.. something we must hope is likely, let's face it, given our recent transfer business in respect of functional strikers we need a gifted goal scorer.

Dropping him would potentially do great damage to his psychology.
We've already seen serious knee injury combined with psychological issues ultimately ruin Bojan's time here..
He's potentially worth a massive amount to the club.

Top footballers are mentally strong and being dropped makes them more determined, not that I am suggesting we drop him as I think he and Vrancic are the only players who worry the opposition. It was more damaging psychologically to hear the Preston fans jeering his wayward shooting than being dropped would be.

Nor am I suggesting he should regularly run 40 yards back to defend, that would be stupid. However nobody has yet justified to me why a) he should not  have challenged the bloke on the half way line or b) seeing Wilmot faced with three men he should not have run back to help out. That is what team players do and is an example of how our squad in general seems not to be able to take the initiative but stick rigidly to what they've been told to do, and ultimately lead to Preston's equaliser and our defeat (I'm sure every Stoke fan knew deep down that we would lose once they equalised).

He does actually defend corners and free kicks well so he has no problem with defensive duties when he has been told to. 

Fair points.. in the main, although your assertion that top footballers are all mentally strong is not something I agree with as clearly some are stronger than others.
Tony Pulis recognised this when he said some footballers need hard line approach whereas other need a softy softly approach and the correct approach depends on the psychology of the individual player.. pretty much the same as with everyone else.
Time will tell how MoN manages his continued recovery.

[leesandfordstoupe]

Jan 6, 2022 0:30:46 GMT nottsover60 said:

Jan 5, 2022 23:24:49 GMT cheadlepotter said:

Have him up front concentrating on scoring goals and very little else.

He's not doing that though is he, or even looking like doing it. Monday was the first time since he came back that he hasn't played up front and we have not looked like scoring in any of those games (even QPR we scored more than our xG and that was down to mainly to Vrancic not Campbell). Don't get me wrong I am a big Campbell fan and really want him to do well but at the moment I'm not sure what benefit there is to having him in the team. 

We don't look much like scoring but even playing the way he is he still looks like our most likely candidate to do so.

[jeffreymelbourne]

Please give ty a chance to retire gracefully he will not be playing professional football next season
sad but true
hope I am wrong
but would not be the first to have a career ending injury

[scfc75]

Jan 6, 2022 11:53:36 GMT jeffreymelbourne said:

Please give ty a chance to retire gracefully he will not be playing professional football next season
sad but true
hope I am wrong
but would not be the first to have a career ending injury

Fucking hell 😂😂😂

[yyy]

Jan 6, 2022 12:53:18 GMT scfc75 said:

Jan 6, 2022 11:53:36 GMT jeffreymelbourne said:

Please give ty a chance to retire gracefully he will not be playing professional football next season
sad but true
hope I am wrong
but would not be the first to have a career ending injury

Fucking hell 😂😂😂

😆 Better sell him for £20 mil quick

[scfc75]

Jan 6, 2022 12:54:30 GMT yyy said:

Jan 6, 2022 12:53:18 GMT scfc75 said:

Fucking hell 😂😂😂

😆 Better sell him for £20 mil quick

He just needs to retire gracefully. Sad but true.

[rambo61]

Monday he was plain lazy!! He ambled while Wilmot got raped by three attackers!! His control and passing was atrotious...looks to me like he just doesn't want to be here. Spent more time rubbing his leg than running his legs!!!!

[Deleted]

Jan 6, 2022 14:15:10 GMT rambo61 said:

Monday he was plain lazy!! He ambled while Wilmot got raped by three attackers!! His control and passing was atrotious...looks to me like he just doesn't want to be here. Spent more time rubbing his leg than running his legs!!!!

Hyaduck, is that you?

[xchpotter]

Wow, I’m hoping comments about retirement are tongue in cheek. I always thought the end of January/Feb would be a reasonable time to have acquired a degree of fitness. Arguably I don’t think any judgement can be made until he’s got this season out of the way, enjoyed a good pre season and is a couple of months into the new one.
Even Alan Shearer said how difficult it was to come back after his knee injuries and he needed time…..it didn’t work out that badly for him. Ty needs time although I do hope his head hasn’t been turned or his dad is working behind the scenes on something away from Stoke.

[bingbang]

I’d get whatever I could for him now, for a young man to never get fit there’s clearly a problem. Every season just as he is about to get fit the season ends so has his break and comes back in the same position, needing extra time to get fit . Five million now get gone.

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Jan 6, 2022 14:41:33 GMT bingbang said:

I’d get whatever I could for him now, for a young man to never get fit there’s clearly a problem. Every season just as he is about to get fit the season ends so has his break and comes back in the same position, needing extra time to get fit . Five million now get gone.

Every season? 😂

Makes it sound like he’s been with us for a decade.

[iglugluk]

Another goal in the bag.
TC knows how to score and that's a massive plus.

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Jan 6, 2022 14:18:31 GMT @cvillestokie said:

Jan 6, 2022 14:15:10 GMT rambo61 said:

Monday he was plain lazy!! He ambled while Wilmot got raped by three attackers!! His control and passing was atrotious...looks to me like he just doesn't want to be here. Spent more time rubbing his leg than running his legs!!!!

Hyaduck, is that you?

No....not written in crayon and correct spelling of big words like leg and just

[lordb]

He was terrible, got everything wrong...
Then played one two with Tymon and scored a very good goal.

[crouchpotato1]

Jan 9, 2022 17:27:32 GMT lordb said:

He was terrible, got everything wrong...
Then played one two with Tymon and scored a very good goal.

He certainly was mate but his finish shows why he has to play if/when fit

[lordb]

Jan 9, 2022 17:38:56 GMT crouchpotato1 said:

Jan 9, 2022 17:27:32 GMT lordb said:

He was terrible, got everything wrong...
Then played one two with Tymon and scored a very good goal.

He certainly was mate but his finish shows why he has to play if/when fit

Indeed
Frustrating to see him get basic play so badly wrong
If he can be consistently good with the simple stuff then that would make a big difference