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Post by partickpotter on Sept 26, 2021 8:19:36 GMT
You are missing the point. Everything is better in the EU. Regardless of any evidence to the contrary.
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Post by Linx on Sept 26, 2021 8:25:02 GMT
I can’t be bothered, quite frankly.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 26, 2021 10:57:29 GMT
Oh God, will no-one think of the drain on the NHS and all the benefits they'll be claiming... If you’re driving a lorry then no benefits to claim They don't come here to work, everyone knows that...
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Post by thevoid on Sept 26, 2021 12:07:02 GMT
I can’t be bothered, quite frankly. Why, because he's had your pants down?
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Post by Linx on Sept 26, 2021 12:21:14 GMT
I can’t be bothered, quite frankly. Why, because he's had your pants down? No. Because I’ve not seen any evidence of one positive aspect of Brexit in the last five years. All I can see is the country slipping towards something reminiscent of Eastern Europe in the 1980s - totally unnecessarily. Brexit could have worked, but this government has totally fucked it up. There’s little point arguing with people who have got drunk on the Kool Aid. Just hone your arguments over the next few months; I think you’re going to need them. P.S. any idea where I can fill my car up?
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 26, 2021 13:30:05 GMT
If you’re driving a lorry then no benefits to claim They don't come here to work, everyone knows that... Well hopefully we can attract the guys and gals who want to just drive the trucks
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 26, 2021 14:40:11 GMT
I kind of thought that was the point! We pay better than EU average, so drivers came over. Without those drivers companies have to increase pay to attract more and we pay that in our shopping each week. If you're a free market person then EU drivers coming over helped the UK economy, pushing Brits into other more "productive" jobs. With Brexit it now costs more to buy the same stuff and the economy gets less efficient. Shorter term almost every Brit loses a bit, our lorry drivers win a lot. I expect people to think this is good or bad based on which belief will make us feel better about our Brexit vote.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 26, 2021 17:22:35 GMT
I kind of thought that was the point! We pay better than EU average, so drivers came over. Without those drivers companies have to increase pay to attract more and we pay that in our shopping each week. If you're a free market person then EU drivers coming over helped the UK economy, pushing Brits into other more "productive" jobs. With Brexit it now costs more to buy the same stuff and the economy gets less efficient. Shorter term almost every Brit loses a bit, our lorry drivers win a lot. I expect people to think this is good or bad based on which belief will make us feel better about our Brexit vote. I follow your post apart from " pushing Brits into other more productive jobs" . We are short of drivers for a host of reasons most of which involve drivers retiring or leaving to do other work by choice. Are you saying drivers have been forced out of work?
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 26, 2021 19:27:32 GMT
I kind of thought that was the point! We pay better than EU average, so drivers came over. Without those drivers companies have to increase pay to attract more and we pay that in our shopping each week. If you're a free market person then EU drivers coming over helped the UK economy, pushing Brits into other more "productive" jobs. With Brexit it now costs more to buy the same stuff and the economy gets less efficient. Shorter term almost every Brit loses a bit, our lorry drivers win a lot. I expect people to think this is good or bad based on which belief will make us feel better about our Brexit vote. I follow your post apart from " pushing Brits into other more productive jobs" . We are short of drivers for a host of reasons most of which involve drivers retiring or leaving to do other work by choice. Are you saying drivers have been forced out of work? I didn't mean that mate! I was trying to say that being in the EU meant we could get cheaper lorry drivers, so driver salaries & benefits were lower than they would have been outside the EU. Why would a company raise salaries when they could get enough people willing to work at a lower rate? British youngsters would look into it and some would decide to start another career instead because of pay. At the same time, some active drivers would drop out if they saw a better paying job in something else. These jobs pay more, so by the rules of the free market that should mean they're "more productive". If driver pay had been higher for the past decade I think we'd have more home-grown drivers right now.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 27, 2021 11:36:36 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 27, 2021 17:53:42 GMT
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Post by Davef on Sept 29, 2021 7:33:31 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 29, 2021 8:30:34 GMT
It’s incredibly frustrating. We’ve had huge chunks of our food and drinks deliveries simply not arrive over the last month. Cask ale is being rationed out and produce like mushrooms, lettuce, pork, and lamb haven’t been arriving on site for over two weeks. Utterly bizarre, I’ve never known anything like it.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 29, 2021 15:02:34 GMT
Why, because he's had your pants down? No. Because I’ve not seen any evidence of one positive aspect of Brexit in the last five years. All I can see is the country slipping towards something reminiscent of Eastern Europe in the 1980s - totally unnecessarily. Brexit could have worked, but this government has totally fucked it up. There’s little point arguing with people who have got drunk on the Kool Aid. Just hone your arguments over the next few months; I think you’re going to need them. P.S. any idea where I can fill my car up? Try a petrol station mate.
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Post by questionable on Sept 29, 2021 15:38:29 GMT
It’s incredibly frustrating. We’ve had huge chunks of our food and drinks deliveries simply not arrive over the last month. Cask ale is being rationed out and produce like mushrooms, lettuce, pork, and lamb haven’t been arriving on site for over two weeks. Utterly bizarre, I’ve never known anything like it. Don’t like cask ale and stopped eating lamb as there was a field full of baby lambs next to us and vowed never to touch the stuff again, pork take it or leave it the rest we wouldn’t really miss but lettuce and mushrooms were easily available on our Tesco drop off last night.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 29, 2021 18:29:35 GMT
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 29, 2021 18:36:42 GMT
HGV driving can be a really shitty occupation so it's no wonder we are struggling to get younger drivers interested. Long hours, sleeping in your cab, no toilet facilities if you can't get to a service station, and treated appallingly by your customers.
I hope something positive can come out of what is really a "wake up" call to the haulage industry, and their clients. Treat your drivers better!
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Post by muggleton on Sept 29, 2021 18:43:01 GMT
It’s incredibly frustrating. We’ve had huge chunks of our food and drinks deliveries simply not arrive over the last month. Cask ale is being rationed out and produce like mushrooms, lettuce, pork, and lamb haven’t been arriving on site for over two weeks. Utterly bizarre, I’ve never known anything like it. It's going to be a frustrating winter for lots of businesses trying to get back on their feet after a torrid 18 months in the pandemic. As resources are thrown at solving crises in one area it displaces workers from others, leading to different shortages down the line. An absolute shambles.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 29, 2021 18:46:38 GMT
It’s incredibly frustrating. We’ve had huge chunks of our food and drinks deliveries simply not arrive over the last month. Cask ale is being rationed out and produce like mushrooms, lettuce, pork, and lamb haven’t been arriving on site for over two weeks. Utterly bizarre, I’ve never known anything like it. It's going to be a frustrating winter for lots of businesses trying to get back on their feet after a torrid 18 months in the pandemic. As resources are thrown at solving crises in one area it displaces workers from others, leading to different shortages down the line. An absolute shambles. It’s extremely challenging mate. Recruitment, overheads, utilities, and supply chain issues are rife all across the sector. Lots of places will be closing their doors for good before Christmas.
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Post by muggleton on Sept 29, 2021 20:22:17 GMT
It's going to be a frustrating winter for lots of businesses trying to get back on their feet after a torrid 18 months in the pandemic. As resources are thrown at solving crises in one area it displaces workers from others, leading to different shortages down the line. An absolute shambles. It’s extremely challenging mate. Recruitment, overheads, utilities, and supply chain issues are rife all across the sector. Lots of places will be closing their doors for good before Christmas. I've every sympathy for those in your situation. Any of those in isolation would be a challenge, but coming all together means plenty won't make it as you say. All the best with your place. Customers will be looking at less choice and higher prices, but we need to suck these up if we want places to survive.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 29, 2021 20:33:13 GMT
HGV driving can be a really shitty occupation so it's no wonder we are struggling to get younger drivers interested. Long hours, sleeping in your cab, no toilet facilities if you can't get to a service station, and treated appallingly by your customers. I hope something positive can come out of what is really a "wake up" call to the haulage industry, and their clients. Treat your drivers better! My mate is currently earning £800 a week driving artics. I was offering him a position at my place today and said he couldn’t as he was on around £18 an hour driving and had been offered £22 an hour by DHL. Not sure what that means in the grand scheme of things🤷🏻♂️
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 29, 2021 21:09:54 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 30, 2021 8:57:25 GMT
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 30, 2021 10:15:37 GMT
HGV driving can be a really shitty occupation so it's no wonder we are struggling to get younger drivers interested. Long hours, sleeping in your cab, no toilet facilities if you can't get to a service station, and treated appallingly by your customers. I hope something positive can come out of what is really a "wake up" call to the haulage industry, and their clients. Treat your drivers better! My mate is currently earning £800 a week driving artics. I was offering him a position at my place today and said he couldn’t as he was on around £18 an hour driving and had been offered £22 an hour by DHL. Not sure what that means in the grand scheme of things🤷🏻♂️ There is no doubt that pay has/is increasing, and rightly so imho. The big issue remains the conditions. I certainly wouldn't want to spend the night in a lorry cab parked in a layby somewhere...even with a TV and microwave. When I was working in the Grocery supply chain the treatment of our delivery drivers by supermarkets was appalling. If supermarkets now start seeing shortages maybe, just maybe, they will start to appreciate the value that HGV drivers bring to their businesses. I am talking here about external suppliers, they tend to treat their own drivers a bit better...maybe that is why fuel tanker drivers have been migrating to the likes of Tesco and Sainsbury's.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 30, 2021 11:30:54 GMT
My mate is currently earning £800 a week driving artics. I was offering him a position at my place today and said he couldn’t as he was on around £18 an hour driving and had been offered £22 an hour by DHL. Not sure what that means in the grand scheme of things🤷🏻♂️ There is no doubt that pay has/is increasing, and rightly so imho. The big issue remains the conditions. I certainly wouldn't want to spend the night in a lorry cab parked in a layby somewhere...even with a TV and microwave. When I was working in the Grocery supply chain the treatment of our delivery drivers by supermarkets was appalling. If supermarkets now start seeing shortages maybe, just maybe, they will start to appreciate the value that HGV drivers bring to their businesses. I am talking here about external suppliers, they tend to treat their own drivers a bit better...maybe that is why fuel tanker drivers have been migrating to the likes of Tesco and Sainsbury's. Maybe if the pay keeps rising the owner drivers could afford to install en-suits.
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Post by muggleton on Oct 2, 2021 10:45:07 GMT
My mate is currently earning £800 a week driving artics. I was offering him a position at my place today and said he couldn’t as he was on around £18 an hour driving and had been offered £22 an hour by DHL. Not sure what that means in the grand scheme of things🤷🏻♂️ There is no doubt that pay has/is increasing, and rightly so imho. The big issue remains the conditions. I certainly wouldn't want to spend the night in a lorry cab parked in a layby somewhere...even with a TV and microwave. When I was working in the Grocery supply chain the treatment of our delivery drivers by supermarkets was appalling. If supermarkets now start seeing shortages maybe, just maybe, they will start to appreciate the value that HGV drivers bring to their businesses. I am talking here about external suppliers, they tend to treat their own drivers a bit better...maybe that is why fuel tanker drivers have been migrating to the likes of Tesco and Sainsbury's. Would be a welcome development alright. I know several people who've gone back driving after several years because its worth their while again. There's a shortage of labour in so many sectors though, so to an extent its just an exercise in rearranging deckchairs.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 2, 2021 10:55:20 GMT
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Post by muggleton on Oct 2, 2021 11:18:39 GMT
An interesting test then as to how well countries inside the EU cope with these shortages compared to the UK. Early signs aren't promising.
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Post by Kilo on Oct 2, 2021 13:38:30 GMT
There is no doubt that pay has/is increasing, and rightly so imho. The big issue remains the conditions. I certainly wouldn't want to spend the night in a lorry cab parked in a layby somewhere...even with a TV and microwave. When I was working in the Grocery supply chain the treatment of our delivery drivers by supermarkets was appalling. If supermarkets now start seeing shortages maybe, just maybe, they will start to appreciate the value that HGV drivers bring to their businesses. I am talking here about external suppliers, they tend to treat their own drivers a bit better...maybe that is why fuel tanker drivers have been migrating to the likes of Tesco and Sainsbury's. Maybe if the pay keeps rising the owner drivers could afford to install en-suits. I like the sound of these en-suits, do they have built in underpants?
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 2, 2021 14:14:25 GMT
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