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Post by superjw on Sept 23, 2021 13:49:04 GMT
BP has said it needs to close some fuel stations because it can't get the fuel around because of the driver shortage.
Wouldn't be surprised if we start to see the queues at pumps like some years back.
This and the energy crisis is becoming a perfect storm just as winter comes in
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Post by richie22 on Sept 23, 2021 14:41:26 GMT
BP has said it needs to close some fuel stations because it can't get the fuel around because of the driver shortage. Wouldn't be surprised if we start to see the queues at pumps like some years back. This and the energy crisis is becoming a perfect storm just as winter comes in after they chopped their well paid well looked after driving team, and subbed it to bottom feeders like hoyers and Sutton’s. Well done. Fuel tankers used to be a massively good job in every way , sadly not anymore . Subbed out to the lowest bidders has bit them in the arse
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 23, 2021 16:34:49 GMT
BP has said it needs to close some fuel stations because it can't get the fuel around because of the driver shortage. Wouldn't be surprised if we start to see the queues at pumps like some years back. This and the energy crisis is becoming a perfect storm just as winter comes in There’s no shortage of fuel , so the Government will just get the Army in to deliver the fuel , no need to panic
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 23, 2021 17:28:54 GMT
BP has said it needs to close some fuel stations because it can't get the fuel around because of the driver shortage. Wouldn't be surprised if we start to see the queues at pumps like some years back. This and the energy crisis is becoming a perfect storm just as winter comes in after they chopped their well paid well looked after driving team, and subbed it to bottom feeders like hoyers and Sutton’s. Well done. Fuel tankers used to be a massively good job in every way , sadly not anymore . Subbed out to the lowest bidders has bit them in the arse Sorry to hear about that. Tanker drivers used to be at the top of the profession. It's worrying that potential bombs are being driven about by what you call "the lowest bidders". When did BP stop using their own bespoke trained drivers? Is it the same with chemical tanker drivers? These sort of guys used to undergo extensive safety and emergency incident training.
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Post by richie22 on Sept 23, 2021 18:33:37 GMT
I believe Bp still have a small number of their own staff, that are in-house trained , proper professionals in every sense sadly as they finish they don’t get replaced, they just get replaced by subbys. To pull petrol you still need a decent level of training and experience behind you, but that level of training will differ greatly between a main line operator and a subby. I did some tank work not long ago, my training last all of three days . Tesco use wincanton, there training is a month. Hoyer and Sutton’s do not have a good name in the industry, poor employers
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 23, 2021 18:42:48 GMT
Not truck driver related this time but more empty shelves ahead….. Its simple.....Just make your own bread then (Or are most people too fuckin bone idle to do it or dont know how to make it ?) Pretty sure you need to buy the ingredients for making bread from the same shops too. The aforementioned ingredients that are in such short supply, plus, factor in the impending 40% rise in energy bills and it becomes prohibitively expensive. Brexit has fucked us all, but people just aren't ready to admit it yet.
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Post by richie22 on Sept 23, 2021 19:22:06 GMT
Worryingly tho the media do seem to be only to willing to whip up a frenzy of panic buying again, freight is moving.
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Post by 4372 on Sept 23, 2021 19:24:55 GMT
Its simple.....Just make your own bread then (Or are most people too fuckin bone idle to do it or dont know how to make it ?) Pretty sure you need to buy the ingredients for making bread from the same shops too. The aforementioned ingredients that are in such short supply, plus, factor in the impending 40% rise in energy bills and it becomes prohibitively expensive. Brexit has fucked us all, but people just aren't ready to admit it yet. It might be better to bake a Humble Pie. A few people here will be wanting a big slice soon.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 23, 2021 19:29:57 GMT
BP has said it needs to close some fuel stations because it can't get the fuel around because of the driver shortage. Wouldn't be surprised if we start to see the queues at pumps like some years back. This and the energy crisis is becoming a perfect storm just as winter comes in There’s no shortage of fuel , so the Government will just get the Army in to deliver the fuel , no need to panic Brexit Britain, using the army to deliver fuel to keep petrol stations open...
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 23, 2021 20:01:00 GMT
There’s no shortage of fuel , so the Government will just get the Army in to deliver the fuel , no need to panic Brexit Britain, using the army to deliver fuel to keep petrol stations open... What a drama Queen 😏
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 23, 2021 20:05:09 GMT
There’s no shortage of fuel , so the Government will just get the Army in to deliver the fuel , no need to panic Brexit Britain, using the army to deliver fuel to keep petrol stations open... Yep keeps the country running
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 23, 2021 21:23:31 GMT
after they chopped their well paid well looked after driving team, and subbed it to bottom feeders like hoyers and Sutton’s. Well done. Fuel tankers used to be a massively good job in every way , sadly not anymore . Subbed out to the lowest bidders has bit them in the arse Sorry to hear about that. Tanker drivers used to be at the top of the profession. It's worrying that potential bombs are being driven about by what you call "the lowest bidders". When did BP stop using their own bespoke trained drivers? Is it the same with chemical tanker drivers? These sort of guys used to undergo extensive safety and emergency incident training. Don't all tanker drivers need to be ADR qualified - whether directly employed or subbies? As far as roadfuel is concerned BP aren't really bothered anymore - they don't refine in the UK any longer so there's no such thing as 'BP fuel' as such. They're more interested in the retail and franchise elements of their estate - though obviously if the fuel supply is disrupted then people won't be stopping to buy vastly overpriced pasties and coffees either.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Sept 23, 2021 21:27:51 GMT
BP has said it needs to close some fuel stations because it can't get the fuel around because of the driver shortage. Wouldn't be surprised if we start to see the queues at pumps like some years back. This and the energy crisis is becoming a perfect storm just as winter comes in There’s no shortage of fuel , so the Government will just get the Army in to deliver the fuel , no need to panic I thought they were all busy driving ambulances in Scotland
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 24, 2021 4:53:02 GMT
There’s no shortage of fuel , so the Government will just get the Army in to deliver the fuel , no need to panic I thought they were all busy driving ambulances in Scotland That’s the jock soilders and what a wonderful job those lads are doing 🏴🏴
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 24, 2021 6:13:58 GMT
No need for the army.
Apparently, the government is planning to let foreigners back in to do it.
Genius!
MrCoke, I'm keen to know that fuel station closures are in fact much worse in the EU...
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 24, 2021 6:16:47 GMT
Pretty sure you need to buy the ingredients for making bread from the same shops too. The aforementioned ingredients that are in such short supply, plus, factor in the impending 40% rise in energy bills and it becomes prohibitively expensive. Brexit has fucked us all, but people just aren't ready to admit it yet. It might be better to bake a Humble Pie. A few people here will be wanting a big slice soon. Come off it your never going to admit you’ve been wrong all along
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 24, 2021 6:29:00 GMT
There’s no shortage of fuel , so the Government will just get the Army in to deliver the fuel , no need to panic Brexit Britain, using the army to deliver fuel to keep petrol stations open... Well I consider that using the army is infinitely better than exploiting some poor Eastern European’s * on shit wages and conditions If the haulage business’s had of treated there workforce over the years with decent pay and conditions there wouldn’t be today’s problem And if you’re really interested in finding the real culprits look no further than the supermarkets and there continual driving down of costs * please note there are other Europeans out there to be treat like shit
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 24, 2021 6:37:37 GMT
Brexit Britain, using the army to deliver fuel to keep petrol stations open... Well I consider that using the army is infinitely better than exploiting some poor Eastern European’s * on shit wages and conditions If the haulage business’s had of treated there workforce over the years with decent pay and conditions there wouldn’t be today’s problem And if you’re really interested in finding the real culprits look no further than the supermarkets and there continual driving down of costs * please note there are other Europeans out there to be treat like shit That's the capitalist consumerist society you keep endorsing so regularly and wholeheartedly at the ballot box, waga. Oh, and Brexit hasn't helped.
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Post by richie22 on Sept 24, 2021 7:25:14 GMT
1.Pay drivers right 2.12 hrs is plenty , stop planning work to the maximum available hours. 3. Allow drivers home for appointments, doctors/dentist etc. 4. Allow drivers to do ‘regular’ hours 5. Improve driver welfare facilities, end the racketeering that is motorways services. It does not need to cost over £40 for overnight parking. Provide showers at rdc’s and allow drivers to remain in their lorry’s whilst being unloaded. 6. Encourage drivers to have a better work life balance, ( I once saw a row between manager and driver because the driver wanted to watch his little ones first Xmas play ) 7. End the all to common practice of charging drivers for small minor damage , 100000km a year minor knocks will happen. 8. Allow parking around rdc’s ( prologis, swan valley home to a massive Morrison’s rdc, park outside on the access road get clamped, probably the safest spot to park overnight if your loaded with wine as I once was, told to move on or be clamped) 9. If you insist on bringing in ‘cheap’ Eastern European labour clamp down heavily on those operators that use this to cut rates. 10. Holiday pay, should reflect the true average pay, a lot of operators use various fiddles to boost drivers wages such as paying meal allowances and nights out ( non taxable ) at a high rate, and also offer bonuses, the more you do the more you get paid. Come holiday time your wage goes from a take home of £550-£600 to £250 . 11. End the widely accepted practice of calling drivers ‘out of hours’ ( this is illegal as such but is widely happening ) 12. Stop treating drivers like a steaming pile of shit Do these things as a minimum and you ll find the numbers of drivers that are retiring/leaving falls
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 24, 2021 7:48:51 GMT
1.Pay drivers right 2.12 hrs is plenty , stop planning work to the maximum available hours. 3. Allow drivers home for appointments, doctors/dentist etc. 4. Allow drivers to do ‘regular’ hours 5. Improve driver welfare facilities, end the racketeering that is motorways services. It does not need to cost over £40 for overnight parking. Provide showers at rdc’s and allow drivers to remain in their lorry’s whilst being unloaded. 6. Encourage drivers to have a better work life balance, ( I once saw a row between manager and driver because the driver wanted to watch his little ones first Xmas play ) 7. End the all to common practice of charging drivers for small minor damage , 100000km a year minor knocks will happen. 8. Allow parking around rdc’s ( prologis, swan valley home to a massive Morrison’s rdc, park outside on the access road get clamped, probably the safest spot to park overnight if your loaded with wine as I once was, told to move on or be clamped) 9. If you insist on bringing in ‘cheap’ Eastern European labour clamp down heavily on those operators that use this to cut rates. 10. Holiday pay, should reflect the true average pay, a lot of operators use various fiddles to boost drivers wages such as paying meal allowances and nights out ( non taxable ) at a high rate, and also offer bonuses, the more you do the more you get paid. Come holiday time your wage goes from a take home of £550-£600 to £250 . 11. End the widely accepted practice of calling drivers ‘out of hours’ ( this is illegal as such but is widely happening ) 12. Stop treating drivers like a steaming pile of shit Do these things as a minimum and you ll find the numbers of drivers that are retiring/leaving falls Exactly and it’s number nine that has allowed this to happen to such an extent
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Post by yeokel on Sept 24, 2021 7:54:46 GMT
Brexit Britain, using the army to deliver fuel to keep petrol stations open... Well I consider that using the army is infinitely better than exploiting some poor Eastern European’s * on shit wages and conditions If the haulage business’s had of treated there workforce over the years with decent pay and conditions there wouldn’t be today’s problem And if you’re really interested in finding the real culprits look no further than the supermarkets and there continual driving down of costs * please note there are other Europeans out there to be treat like shit The ‘lower costs’ are consumer driven. Quality and reliability count for nothing these days when we are all encouraged to “shop around” and to go for the cheapest option in the UK’s race to the bottom in price and service levels. And most of this has fuck all to do with Brexit, before our resident Remainers start bleating.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 24, 2021 7:59:45 GMT
Well I consider that using the army is infinitely better than exploiting some poor Eastern European’s * on shit wages and conditions If the haulage business’s had of treated there workforce over the years with decent pay and conditions there wouldn’t be today’s problem And if you’re really interested in finding the real culprits look no further than the supermarkets and there continual driving down of costs * please note there are other Europeans out there to be treat like shit The ‘lower costs’ are consumer driven. Quality and reliability count for nothing these days when we are all encouraged to “shop around” and to go for the cheapest option in the UK’s race to the bottom in price and service levels. And most of this has fuck all to do with Brexit, before our resident Remainers start bleating. Exactly
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Post by 3putts on Sept 24, 2021 8:25:51 GMT
1.Pay drivers right 2.12 hrs is plenty , stop planning work to the maximum available hours. 3. Allow drivers home for appointments, doctors/dentist etc. 4. Allow drivers to do ‘regular’ hours 5. Improve driver welfare facilities, end the racketeering that is motorways services. It does not need to cost over £40 for overnight parking. Provide showers at rdc’s and allow drivers to remain in their lorry’s whilst being unloaded. 6. Encourage drivers to have a better work life balance, ( I once saw a row between manager and driver because the driver wanted to watch his little ones first Xmas play ) 7. End the all to common practice of charging drivers for small minor damage , 100000km a year minor knocks will happen. 8. Allow parking around rdc’s ( prologis, swan valley home to a massive Morrison’s rdc, park outside on the access road get clamped, probably the safest spot to park overnight if your loaded with wine as I once was, told to move on or be clamped) 9. If you insist on bringing in ‘cheap’ Eastern European labour clamp down heavily on those operators that use this to cut rates. 10. Holiday pay, should reflect the true average pay, a lot of operators use various fiddles to boost drivers wages such as paying meal allowances and nights out ( non taxable ) at a high rate, and also offer bonuses, the more you do the more you get paid. Come holiday time your wage goes from a take home of £550-£600 to £250 . 11. End the widely accepted practice of calling drivers ‘out of hours’ ( this is illegal as such but is widely happening ) 12. Stop treating drivers like a steaming pile of shit Do these things as a minimum and you ll find the numbers of drivers that are retiring/leaving falls I agree, most people don't realise what a demanding job it really is. If you work in a factory your shift will be 8 hours plus a bit of ot as a driver you will be working 12-15 hours on a daily basis with ridiculous start times eg 2 or 3 am. They need to make the job more attractive with shorter hours, increased pay, longer weekly rest, more holidays.
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Post by richie22 on Sept 24, 2021 8:31:44 GMT
1.Pay drivers right 2.12 hrs is plenty , stop planning work to the maximum available hours. 3. Allow drivers home for appointments, doctors/dentist etc. 4. Allow drivers to do ‘regular’ hours 5. Improve driver welfare facilities, end the racketeering that is motorways services. It does not need to cost over £40 for overnight parking. Provide showers at rdc’s and allow drivers to remain in their lorry’s whilst being unloaded. 6. Encourage drivers to have a better work life balance, ( I once saw a row between manager and driver because the driver wanted to watch his little ones first Xmas play ) 7. End the all to common practice of charging drivers for small minor damage , 100000km a year minor knocks will happen. 8. Allow parking around rdc’s ( prologis, swan valley home to a massive Morrison’s rdc, park outside on the access road get clamped, probably the safest spot to park overnight if your loaded with wine as I once was, told to move on or be clamped) 9. If you insist on bringing in ‘cheap’ Eastern European labour clamp down heavily on those operators that use this to cut rates. 10. Holiday pay, should reflect the true average pay, a lot of operators use various fiddles to boost drivers wages such as paying meal allowances and nights out ( non taxable ) at a high rate, and also offer bonuses, the more you do the more you get paid. Come holiday time your wage goes from a take home of £550-£600 to £250 . 11. End the widely accepted practice of calling drivers ‘out of hours’ ( this is illegal as such but is widely happening ) 12. Stop treating drivers like a steaming pile of shit Do these things as a minimum and you ll find the numbers of drivers that are retiring/leaving falls I agree, most people don't realise what a demanding job it really is. If you work in a factory your shift will be 8 hours plus a bit of ot as a driver you will be working 12-15 hours on a daily basis with ridiculous start times eg 2 or 3 am. They need to make the job more attractive with shorter hours, increased pay, longer weekly rest, more holidays. I did some tank work the other week , maxed out on everything, the boss phoned me and asked if I would do another load that week, and later it out that the other drivers all do it, the others were running bent as. Driving is hard, times need to change . Driving needs to come out of the dark ages.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 24, 2021 9:04:05 GMT
1.Pay drivers right 2.12 hrs is plenty , stop planning work to the maximum available hours. 3. Allow drivers home for appointments, doctors/dentist etc. 4. Allow drivers to do ‘regular’ hours5. Improve driver welfare facilities, end the racketeering that is motorways services. It does not need to cost over £40 for overnight parking. Provide showers at rdc’s and allow drivers to remain in their lorry’s whilst being unloaded. 6. Encourage drivers to have a better work life balance, ( I once saw a row between manager and driver because the driver wanted to watch his little ones first Xmas play ) 7. End the all to common practice of charging drivers for small minor damage , 100000km a year minor knocks will happen. 8. Allow parking around rdc’s ( prologis, swan valley home to a massive Morrison’s rdc, park outside on the access road get clamped, probably the safest spot to park overnight if your loaded with wine as I once was, told to move on or be clamped) 9. If you insist on bringing in ‘cheap’ Eastern European labour clamp down heavily on those operators that use this to cut rates. 10. Holiday pay, should reflect the true average pay, a lot of operators use various fiddles to boost drivers wages such as paying meal allowances and nights out ( non taxable ) at a high rate, and also offer bonuses, the more you do the more you get paid. Come holiday time your wage goes from a take home of £550-£600 to £250 . 11. End the widely accepted practice of calling drivers ‘out of hours’ ( this is illegal as such but is widely happening ) 12. Stop treating drivers like a steaming pile of shit Do these things as a minimum and you ll find the numbers of drivers that are retiring/leaving falls Number four is a tricky one, store deliveries into supermarkets are dictated to purely by shopping patterns. Fresh/chilled deliveries such as bread and milk generally all go into store in the early hours of the morning ready for when they open at 0700/0800, for a supermarket having no bread and milk on the shelves is the ultimate no no. In a chilled DC 60/70% can go out at "unsociable hours" with a load of stood vehicles during "office hours" The solution is for people to change their buying habits, not sure how we go about that?.......
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 24, 2021 9:20:59 GMT
1.Pay drivers right 2.12 hrs is plenty , stop planning work to the maximum available hours. 3. Allow drivers home for appointments, doctors/dentist etc. 4. Allow drivers to do ‘regular’ hours5. Improve driver welfare facilities, end the racketeering that is motorways services. It does not need to cost over £40 for overnight parking. Provide showers at rdc’s and allow drivers to remain in their lorry’s whilst being unloaded. 6. Encourage drivers to have a better work life balance, ( I once saw a row between manager and driver because the driver wanted to watch his little ones first Xmas play ) 7. End the all to common practice of charging drivers for small minor damage , 100000km a year minor knocks will happen. 8. Allow parking around rdc’s ( prologis, swan valley home to a massive Morrison’s rdc, park outside on the access road get clamped, probably the safest spot to park overnight if your loaded with wine as I once was, told to move on or be clamped) 9. If you insist on bringing in ‘cheap’ Eastern European labour clamp down heavily on those operators that use this to cut rates. 10. Holiday pay, should reflect the true average pay, a lot of operators use various fiddles to boost drivers wages such as paying meal allowances and nights out ( non taxable ) at a high rate, and also offer bonuses, the more you do the more you get paid. Come holiday time your wage goes from a take home of £550-£600 to £250 . 11. End the widely accepted practice of calling drivers ‘out of hours’ ( this is illegal as such but is widely happening ) 12. Stop treating drivers like a steaming pile of shit Do these things as a minimum and you ll find the numbers of drivers that are retiring/leaving falls Number four is a tricky one, store deliveries into supermarkets are dictated to purely by shopping patterns. Fresh/chilled deliveries such as bread and milk generally all go into store in the early hours of the morning ready for when they open at 0700/0800, for a supermarket having no bread and milk on the shelves is the ultimate no no. In a chilled DC 60/70% can go out at "unsociable hours" with a load of stood vehicles during "office hours" The solution is for people to change their buying habits, not sure how we go about that?....... An interesting point for which I have mixed views. On the one hand there's nothing unique about drivers having to work unsociable or irregular hours both inside and outside logistics - plenty of other people have to do it - including management. That's the society we've become. On the other in many European countries supermarkets are closed on a Sunday - some even from Saturday lunchtime - giving at least one day's family time (I know the whole supply chain won't close down - but it will be reduced) - and they seem to get along just fine. The Trafford centre really doesn't need to be open 364 days a year.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 24, 2021 9:22:46 GMT
1.Pay drivers right 2.12 hrs is plenty , stop planning work to the maximum available hours. 3. Allow drivers home for appointments, doctors/dentist etc. 4. Allow drivers to do ‘regular’ hours5. Improve driver welfare facilities, end the racketeering that is motorways services. It does not need to cost over £40 for overnight parking. Provide showers at rdc’s and allow drivers to remain in their lorry’s whilst being unloaded. 6. Encourage drivers to have a better work life balance, ( I once saw a row between manager and driver because the driver wanted to watch his little ones first Xmas play ) 7. End the all to common practice of charging drivers for small minor damage , 100000km a year minor knocks will happen. 8. Allow parking around rdc’s ( prologis, swan valley home to a massive Morrison’s rdc, park outside on the access road get clamped, probably the safest spot to park overnight if your loaded with wine as I once was, told to move on or be clamped) 9. If you insist on bringing in ‘cheap’ Eastern European labour clamp down heavily on those operators that use this to cut rates. 10. Holiday pay, should reflect the true average pay, a lot of operators use various fiddles to boost drivers wages such as paying meal allowances and nights out ( non taxable ) at a high rate, and also offer bonuses, the more you do the more you get paid. Come holiday time your wage goes from a take home of £550-£600 to £250 . 11. End the widely accepted practice of calling drivers ‘out of hours’ ( this is illegal as such but is widely happening ) 12. Stop treating drivers like a steaming pile of shit Do these things as a minimum and you ll find the numbers of drivers that are retiring/leaving falls Number four is a tricky one, store deliveries into supermarkets are dictated to purely by shopping patterns. Fresh/chilled deliveries such as bread and milk generally all go into store in the early hours of the morning ready for when they open at 0700/0800, for a supermarket having no bread and milk on the shelves is the ultimate no no. In a chilled DC 60/70% can go out at "unsociable hours" with a load of stood vehicles during "office hours" The solution is for people to change their buying habits, not sure how we go about that?....... Not sure where that list comes from but you are right to call out point 4. There’s loads of jobs that involve working outside 9-5 Monday to Friday. Football for example. That’s the way of things. The rest of the list makes perfect sense… basically better working conditions.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 24, 2021 9:26:06 GMT
Number four is a tricky one, store deliveries into supermarkets are dictated to purely by shopping patterns. Fresh/chilled deliveries such as bread and milk generally all go into store in the early hours of the morning ready for when they open at 0700/0800, for a supermarket having no bread and milk on the shelves is the ultimate no no. In a chilled DC 60/70% can go out at "unsociable hours" with a load of stood vehicles during "office hours" The solution is for people to change their buying habits, not sure how we go about that?....... Not sure where that list comes from but you are right to call out point 4. There’s loads of jobs that involve working outside 9-5 Monday to Friday. Football for example. That’s the way of things. The rest of the list makes perfect sense… basically better working conditions. I do have extra sympathy with truck drivers in some of the sites I mentioned though. Shift patterns can be Thu-Mon 01:00 starts, Wed-Sun 23:00 starts, Fri-Tue 02:00 starts etc etc, really horrible shifts unless they somehow suit your work/life balance. And all dictated by when the supermarket needs its "just in time" delivery......
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 24, 2021 9:26:24 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 24, 2021 9:47:51 GMT
No need for the army. Apparently, the government is planning to let foreigners back in to do it. Genius! MrCoke, I'm keen to know that fuel station closures are in fact much worse in the EU... I have no problem with allowing foreign workers beck into the country to supply a specific need, as long as we are in control. I've not heard of any EU fuel stations closed due to the pandemic just as you don't know how many UK ones there are. There are "a few" which the anti Brexit media are blowing up out of proportion and creating panic buying to produce a real shortage. Remainers are extremely irresponsible constantly predicting doom and gloom and trying to cause panic buying. which will create shortages and they can then blame Brexit. If there is a problem such as CO2 shortage the government will deal with it. There are no other shortages apart from a lorry driver shortage and labour shortage due to an expanding economy. I have no objection to allowing farm workers, drivers, doctors, nurses, or anyone else to come in temporarily to fulfil a need. If they want to emigrate to the UK to live I am happy with that also. What I object to is EU citizens having a right to come in, take plum jobs, fill their pockets, and then go home. The vast majority of immigration is from non EU countries. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52752656#:~:text=Net%20migration%20to%20the%20UK%20from%20countries%20outside,since%20the%20information%20was%20first%20gathered%20in%201975. These are true immigrants who want to build a new life and contribute to our society.
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